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Post by radovic on Jan 10, 2008 10:29:00 GMT -5
Montenegrin Orthodox faithful to have church in Australia 10 January 2008 CPC worshippers are to receive access to a church in Australia.
The Montenegrin Orthodox Church (CPC) has allowed members of its congregation there to conduct religious rituals in a church belonging to the Greek Orthodox Church.
The Church announced that Father Dragan Saračević, who has moved from a Serbian to a Greek Orthodox Church, was conducting ceremonies in a church in Sydney.
Saračević’s parish will conduct religious services for all CPC believers throughout Sydney and New South Wales. According to the announcement, preparations are also under way to open a special CPC parish in Australia.
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Post by terroreign on Jan 20, 2008 21:21:32 GMT -5
This is our true church, blessed by god and the spirit of all Montenegrins throughout history
MOC churches abroad(Today):
1 in Serbia 1 in Croatia 2 in Argentina 1 in Australia
Soon a MOC church will open in Skadar, Albania, along with one in Zagreb and Toronto, Canada
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Post by radovic on Jan 20, 2008 21:34:00 GMT -5
This is our true church, blessed by god and the spirit of all Montenegrins throughout history MOC churches abroad(Today): 1 in Serbia 1 in Croatia 2 in Argentina 1 in Australia Soon a MOC church will open in Skadar, Albania, along with one in Zagreb and Toronto, Canada Actually. - The church in Serbia can be described as virtually non-functioning. Apparently it's hit hard financial times. - In Australia they're asking for permission to use a church belonging to a non-canonical church. - The Montenegrin population in Skadar is too small to support a church. Any proof of the other churches you claim are build or being built? I also find it funny that the church has more churches outside of Montenegro then with in Montenegro. Seems Montenegrins in Montenegro don't support it. How would you explain this.
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Post by terroreign on Jan 20, 2008 22:39:49 GMT -5
It is functioning, there was a Montenegrin Orthodox Badnje Vece this year in Lovcenac, more than 500 people came, from all over Serbia and the Balkans Latest statistics from the region have over 1000 people in the Shkoder District as Montenegrin www.montenegro-canada.com/articles/article/2032341/79622.htmTwo in Argentina, one in Chaco, one in Venado Tuerto And One in Peroj, Croatia And there are many more churches in Montenegro:
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Post by radovic on Jan 20, 2008 23:06:44 GMT -5
so basically. The church in Serbia functions on a few days a year. Badnje Vece being the case. And it has so mcuh support that for a significant people to show up they have to rely on people from outside the town it's self.
Wow what an indication of huge support.
I am not aware of the number of churches in Montenegro. And I suspect they exagerrate their presence (especiall;y since often they use abondoned buildings as churches). But the simple fact is the MOC has minority support in Montenegro & has more support otuside it.
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Post by vinjak on Jan 21, 2008 18:12:20 GMT -5
I am totaly nieve to this situation as a whole, I really dont understand why Montes cannot have there own church ? in this day and age the conflict over this seems to me a very medieval. Again i will point out I have no real knowledge about this subject I just cannot see the harm.
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Post by radovic on Jan 21, 2008 23:18:32 GMT -5
^ They can have a church. So long as they do not use the label Orthodox & lay claim to the property of the Serb Church.
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Post by terroreign on Jan 22, 2008 7:14:50 GMT -5
But those churches are not serbian, theyre Montenegrin and always have been
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Post by radovic on Jan 22, 2008 9:54:29 GMT -5
But those churches are not serbian, theyre Montenegrin and always have been They're Serbia and they always have been. The Montenegrins are Serb. The Montenegrin government recognized the Montenegrin Church becoming part of the Serb Church after WWI. Lastly. The church claiming the MOC label has no connection or continuity with the church in Montenegro pre-WWI.
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Post by zgembo on Jan 22, 2008 13:25:04 GMT -5
Montenegrin Church was legitimately integrated into the Serbian church after WWI. This new MOC is a bastard creation made up of defrocked priests and criminals, they do not represent actual Montenegrins (whether they be Serb or Montenegrin by ethnicity). Consequently, they have no continuity and no claim towards SOC property. They can build their own churches if they like.
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Post by terroreign on Jan 22, 2008 14:05:23 GMT -5
The MOC is fully legitimate, the serbs after occupying us, destroyed documents and shut down our beautiful Montenegrin Orthodox Church
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Post by radovic on Jan 22, 2008 14:17:49 GMT -5
The MOC is fully legitimate, the serbs after occupying us, destroyed documents and shut down our beautiful Montenegrin Orthodox Church Actually. The MOC is not legitimate. It has no connection to the pre-WWI church. Also, montenegrin authorities in exile accepted the unification.
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Post by terroreign on Jan 22, 2008 14:20:15 GMT -5
"Montenegrin authorities in exile", really? Name me one of these Montenegrin authorities that speaks for the entire Montenegrin nation
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Post by radovic on Jan 22, 2008 14:23:20 GMT -5
"Montenegrin authorities in exile", really? Name me one of these Montenegrin authorities that speaks for the entire Montenegrin nation King Nikola. He recognized this act.
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Post by terroreign on Jan 22, 2008 14:44:42 GMT -5
King Nikola was a politician as well as a King, I can quote you speeches of his in fron of Serbian soldiers talking about how great Serbia is
But then I can quote speeches of his in front of Montenegrins, talking about how the Montenegrin race is the bravest, and that Montenegro is only for the Montenegrins
But he never accepted the MOC being shut down by Serbia
"Vlada Srbije nije uspjela da diplomatski uništi Crnu Goru, okupirala ju je, u ime vlade Srbije, njezina vojska. ..Da bi se pred svijetom kao Pilat mogla od svoga bogomrskoga i u istoriji nezapamćenoga zločina pravdati i preturati ga na narod Crnogorski, ona je falsifikovala volju naroda."
- Kralj Nikola, 1918
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Post by radovic on Jan 22, 2008 16:25:41 GMT -5
^ Any proof he said that or is this more b.s. from you.
Even if he said he doesn't condemn the SOC. And I've provided you proof that the government in exile he led recognized the unificatyion of the churches in a seperate post.
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Post by terroreign on Jan 22, 2008 17:35:06 GMT -5
That's what he said on Badnji Vece in France, 1918, in front of all Montenegrins there
And "Glas Crnogoraca" is not written by King Nikola, nor is it completely controlled by him.
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Post by radovic on Jan 22, 2008 17:40:11 GMT -5
That's what he said on Badnji Vece in France, 1918, in front of all Montenegrins there And "Glas Crnogoraca" is not written by King Nikola, nor is it completely controlled by him. Proof. and Glas Crnogorca represented the montenegrin gvoernment in exile at the time.
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Post by zgembo on Jan 24, 2008 3:35:32 GMT -5
Just because they claim to be inheritors of the old MOC does not make it so. The old MOC was recognized by Orthodoxy. This collection of fools and pretend-priests is not. Any group of retards could've gotten together and pretended to be the new MOC. These guys are no different. Heck, most of them are not even Montenegrin. Dedeic is a Bosnian Serb who, after being ex-communicated, wanted to join the Macedonian Church, but was rejected because they didn't want the embarrassment of a priest banished from Orthodoxy.
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Post by terroreign on Jan 24, 2008 3:48:06 GMT -5
Get your facts straight marko, ALL of them are Montenegrin, Dedeic is a Montenegrin surname coming from the Durmitor region, i guess your forgot there is about 10,000 ethnic Montenegrins in Bosnia.
He never wanted to join the Macedonian church, where did you get this from. He was a priest in Constantinople, and then left to replace Antonije Abramovic, our last Mitropolite.
I can use your logic too mapko, that the SOC is just a collection of murderers and fanatics that pray to the devil before they sleep, and the sad part is that this description of them is more true than your description.
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