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Post by bb681 on Mar 25, 2008 22:29:22 GMT -5
"ridicoulous. Government giving money for births has never caused a large decrease in abortion or large increase in births. Russia gives $9,000 for 2nd child and it's demographic situation isn't much better." Good point regarding serbia, l just don't really understand the failure there....however in australia the government is giving money to couples for new borns and the number of births for 2007 has gone up dramatically. Whats there to understand? Nuclear families are nowadays small units similar to institutions and therefore got some sort of sense of long-term accounting. One off money incentives are therefore highly insufficient unless a family is being myopic and applies the logic of Yahac that as long as there can be breast milk, there shouldnt be excuse.
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Post by pagane on Mar 26, 2008 1:00:17 GMT -5
Just because life is no joke, sometimes abortion is necessary. Regardless of the milk supply and its huge importance you were so kind to explain to us, a proper upbringing is something a little bit more complex.
Your Gypsy brothers? What makes you think that Turks and Gypsies get along well? Besides, the birth rate among Turks in Bulgaria is not high at all.
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Post by yahadj on Mar 26, 2008 3:19:33 GMT -5
Very good. Everybody's life is no joke. What about the life of babies? Why is it joke for you?
It is the parents that need to get proper not the baby. If a girl gets pregnant that is because of herself. Not because baby had anything to do with that. Why put the blame on the baby and kill it??? What kind of sick reasoning is that??? She did it she should take care of her seed...
Simply because abortion became a tradition in Bulgaria doesn't mean it is right. Anyway, it is not me, it is your demografics that should teach you some lessons. But even science can't help those who insist about the correctnes of irresponsible behavior and its remedy by abortion.
Well, let me reserve my right to appeal to Gispsies as my brothers because any human being that values life is my brother. They are perfect example why being poor doesn't prevent you from having kids...
You don't buy baby's. They are free gift to humanity. They bring a new level to your existance. Value that... Not everything is fun. Most of it out there is responsibility...
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Post by pagane on Mar 26, 2008 10:24:18 GMT -5
I don't know how you have come to this conclusion since this is what I stated - that when upbringing a child would be a complete disaster, then abortion is a better choice. Are you trying to understand what I am saying?
Or her partner. You are proper Turk as far as I can see and it is not your way of thinking that men might share this responsibility but this is how these things work.
Again...
I wouldn't call it tradition but anyway. It is not right, it is sometimes necessary. I probably repeat this for the umptieth time and do not see any way to put this into your thick head.
You are talking about the group of people who use to throw babies under passing cars so they could sue the driver for money? The same people who upbring children with the sole peurpose of social benefits and to have more beggars on the streets that could bring money to the father for booze? True, not all of them are like that, but this is the usual way. You know nothing about life in Bulgaria, Yahac. Do not be so stubborn in showing your ignorance.
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Post by yahadj on Mar 26, 2008 12:19:26 GMT -5
So you are future teller. You know what a disaster a baby can cause. The baby is public enemy. Thus must be executed. There is no capital punishment even for serail killers. How do you justify killing innocent babies? You justify you decision of KILLING a baby based on your assumptions??? How logical and crediable is that? How about if I kill you and try to justify it by presenting m* a**umptions as evidence! Simply "I thought you would bring a misery in my life?". You know what? If I do that nobody would take me seriously. They won't proclaim me innocent. But they won't kill me either. You know, no capital punishment.. So based on what law you justify killing babies??? You got it wrong baby. The partner should be identified, even if a DNA analysis is needed and he should be made responsible for that as well. He should be required to either marry or pay alimony to support the child and its mother. The only time it is necessary is when there is medical reason for that. Other occasions are infanticide. I lived in Bulgaria for 16 years. I had a Gipsy friend. He was fun. Their life is fun. Not all of them are the same. Every group has its own black sheeps. Those who use their kids for material gains are driven by the same mentality that justfies abortions. Both of these justifications are based on material gains. You kill a baby to prevent material loss and they throw them under cars to make money. What is the difference? No sane person can justify baby killers. I have just read a news regarding a woman in Turkey that threw her out of marraige newborn baby from the 5th floor simply justiying it with your mentality. She couldn't take care of the baby. What a misery it would have brought in her life. But know I wonder how could she live with the misery of bloody hands. What is the difference between you and her?
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Post by Kubrat on Mar 26, 2008 15:27:35 GMT -5
yahac.....you are impressivly stupid.
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Post by pagane on Mar 26, 2008 20:15:23 GMT -5
I agree with Kubrat. Let alone your stupidity, you hear voices. The ones inside your empty head, There is enough room for the choir of the Vienna Boys or whatever they are called.
I knew youwere clever. What i didn't kknow is that youwere such a genius at the age of -7 months in your mother's womb. Go on, Yahac, you will be the first one to invent Perpetum Mobile.
Bug off. You are really annoying with your ignorance. Stay wherever you are, milk the women in the neighbourhood and upbring young Turks. Hopefully, thus you won't have time to come to visit this forum.
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Post by yahadj on Mar 26, 2008 21:41:11 GMT -5
Thank you for showing everybody your intellectual limitations. The only way you can defend yourself is by cursing and using vular language. Thank you for proving yourselves vulgar Bulgars... Bay Ganyovci koga she stanete hora??? The heck with you... You won't get any better.
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Post by depletedreasons on Mar 27, 2008 1:26:05 GMT -5
Выкидышем не будет ухищренный вариант для нации населенность shrinking быстро.
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Post by depletedreasons on Mar 27, 2008 1:48:04 GMT -5
yahac.....you are impressivly stupid. Do you have strong restless desire to be rude all the times?
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Post by pagane on Mar 27, 2008 3:07:39 GMT -5
Compared to you, anyone is intellectually limited.
This is Russian, Mr. You couldn't find the Russian word for shrinking?
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Post by Kubrat on Mar 27, 2008 23:03:08 GMT -5
"Do you have strong restless desire to be rude all the times?" only when presented with ample amounts of stupidity
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Post by depletedreasons on Mar 28, 2008 2:33:24 GMT -5
"Do you have strong restless desire to be rude all the times?" only when presented with ample amounts of stupidity Do you think using coarse language is a sign of intelligence?
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Post by Kubrat on Mar 28, 2008 2:44:44 GMT -5
no, but i felt i had to dumb it down so that certain memeber on this board would get my point and stop posting stupid comments. are you getting my point now? or shall i be more coarse?
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Post by depletedreasons on Mar 28, 2008 3:00:01 GMT -5
I do not get offended by the coarse language you use. After all, reading your comments is sometimes reading script of an American movie shot in Harlem. ;D Sometimes funny if one knows you a bit.
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Post by yahadj on Mar 28, 2008 3:06:37 GMT -5
It is normal for some of the Bulgars. Once their brain gets blocked and they can't find words they start talking with their asses. Very impressive... ha hah hah ;D:o
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Post by ioan on Mar 28, 2008 3:28:33 GMT -5
Yahac, you amaze me with your radical views! We live in 21 st century. I think everyone should decide for themselves if and when to have children. I say its better to be ready to have a child because it requires ALOT OF RESPONSIBILITY. Do u think a 16 year old have it? I dont think so. I m generally against abortion too but I wouldnt go as far as Ireland and forbid it althogether. I m against the irresponsible behaviour of the gypsies when it comes to childrens. Tnx to their behaviour its not very popular to encourage the other people in Bulgaria to have more children.
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Post by pagane on Mar 28, 2008 4:53:43 GMT -5
It is a pity Bulgaria gave you proper education before you left, so we can all now bear your long postings against it. Shame!
Ioan, Yahac is a kind of Catholic-Islamic mujahedeen, a man stuck in some distant times without real notion what life really is and judges on it not on the basis of facts and reality but his wishful thinking.
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Post by humbleman on Mar 28, 2008 18:53:41 GMT -5
Yahac is trying to be sensationalist here (like a cheap tabloid) rather than having a more reasonable and practical outlook. The point that everyone missed I think is when does abortion become murder, because it is a fine line. Obviously when a baby is born, and if someone decides to kill it, then it is an act of murder or infanticide. No-one is disagreeing with you there Yahac. However if it is still at the embryonic stage, then it is OK. As a general rule (though I am no expert), these are the guidelines which I have picked up after discussing with more knowledgeable people about the issue: 0 - 3 months pregnant: OK to abort 3 - 6 months pregnant: grey area. (Possibly abort only for medical reasons). 6 + months pregnant: infanticide (murder).
I know in UK it is possible to abort up to 6 months if you wanted to (but that's a little dodgy to me). Then there is the issue of women who want a second abortion. That hasn't been discussed yet.
The best thing is to make sure contraceptives are widely available so people don't get into this mess in the first place
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