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Post by greek1234 on Apr 8, 2008 7:32:46 GMT -5
Anyone care to mention any good books on Bulgaria? Note i want something on History especially the Middle Ages, Also make sure its a known book thats can easily be found. Thanks....
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Post by pagane on Apr 8, 2008 7:48:09 GMT -5
I am not sure I will be of any help but check this site: www.pe-bg.com/?cid=3&cat=35&p=8Most of the books are in Bulgarian but you can find a few in English if you look longer
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Post by Rhezus on Apr 8, 2008 8:19:29 GMT -5
Middle ages are between 3 and 10 century.. There're so many things to be mentionned in such a span. Thrace, Rome provinces of Thrace and Moesia, and the new Bulgarian state.. Just a link for you: www.infoplease.com/ce6/world/A0861542.html
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Post by kroraina on Apr 8, 2008 9:38:10 GMT -5
Anyone care to mention any good books on Bulgaria? Note i want something on History especially the Middle Ages, Also make sure its a known book thats can easily be found. Thanks.... "A history of the First Bulgarian Empire" by Steven Runciman, the well-known medievalist.
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Post by bb681 on Apr 8, 2008 9:55:11 GMT -5
Anyone care to mention any good books on Bulgaria? Note i want something on History especially the Middle Ages, Also make sure its a known book thats can easily be found. Thanks.... Purely out of curiosity, why do you need them?
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Apr 8, 2008 11:36:52 GMT -5
Post by jerryspringer on Apr 8, 2008 11:36:52 GMT -5
Hmmm, I don't think so. Have a read on the Middle Ages.
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Apr 8, 2008 20:19:28 GMT -5
Post by greek1234 on Apr 8, 2008 20:19:28 GMT -5
Depends different cultures have different dates. But yeah seems a bit too early.
Learning Medieval Bulgarian History will help me further understand Byzantine History.
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Post by ioan on Apr 9, 2008 5:42:34 GMT -5
Anyone care to mention any good books on Bulgaria? Note i want something on History especially the Middle Ages, Also make sure its a known book thats can easily be found. Thanks.... "A history of the First Bulgarian Empire" by Steven Runciman, the well-known medievalist. very interesting! tnx for posting, i ve not read this
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Post by Ivanov on Apr 9, 2008 6:26:54 GMT -5
It could be helpful indeed, but the problem is that the researches on the Bulgarian medieval history are mainly based on Byzantine sources - the sources of the enemy of the Bulgarian empire. We were either ignorant on recording our history, or the written sources were destroyed by the Byzantines and the Ottomans.
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Apr 9, 2008 11:15:55 GMT -5
Post by Rhezus on Apr 9, 2008 11:15:55 GMT -5
Anyone care to mention any good books on Bulgaria? Note i want something on History especially the Middle Ages, Also make sure its a known book thats can easily be found. Thanks.... Just don't fool yourself by saying Byzantine empire was a Greek one... The Empire was made up of many nationalities - Thracians, Panonians, Illyrians, Macedonians, Bythinians, Phrygians, Lydians, Carians, Galatians, Cilicians, Misians, Lycians, Paphlagonians, Cappadocians, Syrians, Armenians, etc. The Greeks composed only a small portion of this multi-ethnic Empire and evidence shows that they did not posses much of the power either, for we know exactly who were the Byzantine Emperors. In 395 AD when the Roman Empire split into western and eastern (Byzantine), Latin continued to be used as the official language but in time it was replaced by Greek as that language was already widely spoken among the Eastern Mediterranean nations as the main trade language. Yet the Emperors, the Church clergy, the army, and the artists, although they spoke Latin and Greek, where not exclusively of Greek ethnicity. Further more, Byzantine historians often spoke of "Thracian army" "Roman army" "Macedonian army" etc. .
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Apr 9, 2008 13:46:15 GMT -5
Post by ioan on Apr 9, 2008 13:46:15 GMT -5
Rhezus, its well known that there were many ethosis in Byzantine empire, but its undeniable that the Greek one was predominant. The usage of Greek is one hint, other is the outside sourses that talk about "Greeks", "greek empire". Even the title the Bulgarian king had was tzar of Bulgars and Greeks and that can give u another hint.
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Apr 9, 2008 14:37:55 GMT -5
Post by Rhezus on Apr 9, 2008 14:37:55 GMT -5
Yeah, no kidding... Do you know who were the emprerors of Byzance? Tell me how many of these Byzantine emprerors were Greek?
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Apr 9, 2008 15:13:20 GMT -5
Post by Ivanov on Apr 9, 2008 15:13:20 GMT -5
Rhezus, we know some of the emperors we not Greek, but it doesn't change the fact that it was predominantly Greek. The other ethnic groups were heavily influenced by the Greeks.
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Apr 9, 2008 16:29:23 GMT -5
Post by Rhezus on Apr 9, 2008 16:29:23 GMT -5
Not some, but most of the emprerors! And do you know how Greek called the Byzantine Empire: Βασιλεία Ῥωμαίων Basileía Romaíon - a direct translation of the Latin name of the Roman Empire, Imperium Romanorum. The name Byzantine Empire is derived from the original name for Constantinople, which in Roman lang. was Byzantium. The name "Byzantine Empire" is a modern term and would have been alien to its contemporaries.
That's why Byzantium should be defined as a multi-ethnic empire that emerged as a Christian one. The Byzantines identified themselves as Romans (Ρωμαίοι – Romans) which, by the 12th century, had already become a synonym for a Hellenistic world. However, the term was used for mainly legal and administrative purposes. The Byzantines preferred to call themselves Romioi (Ρωμιοί – Christian with Roman citizenship). The Byzantines were also developing a national consciousness as residents of Ρωμανία (Romania, as the Byzantine state and its world were called). This nationalist awareness is reflected in literature, particularly in the acritic songs. Later on, Greek (as usual) claimed all glory, since newfounded states (as Bulgaria) turned to be enemies of that empire.
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Apr 9, 2008 17:17:16 GMT -5
Post by pagane on Apr 9, 2008 17:17:16 GMT -5
Not a newfounded state, just one that widened its borders south of Danube. You are not very good in Bulgarian history, Rhezus, are you?
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Apr 9, 2008 17:58:58 GMT -5
Post by greek1234 on Apr 9, 2008 17:58:58 GMT -5
Rhezus-
I think you are confusing late antiquity with the Middle Ages. The East Roman Empire became Hellenic starting with the reign of Heraclius, when Greek replaced Latin completely in law and administration. During this period the Byantines lost ther non-Greek speaking territories in the near East and Africa to the Arabs. Lets not forget the whole of Anatolia excluding regions of old Armania was speaking Greek, also the Southern Balkans before the Slavic and Turkic Invasions. The main language of the Eastern or Byzantine Empire had been Medieval Greek, spoken natively in Constantinople and the largest part of the empire. Medieval Greek was an evolution of Koine Greek.
As for the Monarchy being multi Ethnic it didn't matter, Monarchies since antiquity have been multi Ethnic. The thing that was important was that they were Greek or Hellenized Greek.
Ethnicity by many is considered a modern invention. But after Heraclius the Greeks where dominent. Also i would like to state religion played the bigger role in the Middle Ages not only in Byzantium but the rest of Europe and the Middle East.
Also dont be confused with the word "Rhomaios" all that meant was "Chrsitian Greek". Hellenic culture was important during the Byzantine Era. All citizens where Greek or Hellenized. The Laws and the Literature was in Greek. Non Byzantine meaning non Greek Christian was a Barbarian.
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Apr 9, 2008 18:50:26 GMT -5
Post by Rhezus on Apr 9, 2008 18:50:26 GMT -5
Haha.. don't be confused! This meant Roman citizen and not "christan Greek". Pls, don't say citizen of East Roman empire, all being Greek - that's just so impudent! The Byzantines identified themselves as Romans. None of the Dacians spoke greek (though still orthodox) or the ppl north-west of Hemus. The southern Thracians of the Eagen - they could speak greek, but still having their own language. And your last sentence, about "barbarians".. get rid of that habbit. "Barbarian" actually meant not else than a non greek speaker.
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Apr 9, 2008 19:23:38 GMT -5
Post by Rhezus on Apr 9, 2008 19:23:38 GMT -5
"Widened" its borders south of the Danube?!... All the way from the steppes of Asia?? So you mean their state was from Volga steppes, all the way to Dacia?? ;D Show me that borders, Ruse girl! Where is the map of that Bulgaria! Or, weren't these steppe-bulgars wandering, all the way to Danube, with their Mongol-like tents.. the shatras?!
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Apr 10, 2008 17:25:29 GMT -5
Post by bb681 on Apr 10, 2008 17:25:29 GMT -5
"Learning Medieval Bulgarian History will help me further understand Byzantine History."
I havent exclusively studied the history of the Byzantine empire from the Greek perspective but Im hardly expecting any significant mismatches. It would probably be more concerned with the events within the European part of the empire since what happens on its eastern borders is sligtly irrelevant for the Bulgarians. But I guess you already know that.
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Apr 11, 2008 2:16:49 GMT -5
Post by pagane on Apr 11, 2008 2:16:49 GMT -5
And every night they stopped at a different place and pitched those shatras, right? Rhezus, you hate Bulgars. This doesn't justify your silly vision on them, though. At leat try not to post bulls.hit.
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