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Post by Kralj Vatra on Jan 7, 2008 9:32:32 GMT -5
Some said, that Serbia is a weak state, bla bla bla. All I can tell you is that if *any* other balkan state (from greece up to romania) went with 10 years full of sunctions, settlement of refugees, isolations, *brutal* bombings and destruction of infrastructure.... they would not *massively* travel to Halkidiki, Greece for summer vacations, for sure.
I think the US would not attack Serbia on the ground during the 99 criminal bombing of Serbia. The rumor about 1000+ bodybags ordered for NATO troops, i think, was part of the reasons behind the seize of fire.
If NATO managed a clear win, Kosovo would be independent by now, and NATO bases would be all around Serbia. Look at the radical party: they can have a 30%+ any time? Is that a sign of NATO "controling anything"? Nahhhh
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Post by highduke on Jan 7, 2008 20:35:42 GMT -5
Novi: Your two questions are: So what was wrong with socialism and communism?Socialism and Communism don't work a command economy doesn't work. I'm not against private enterprise or even corporations. The problem is that of CULTURE. A society in which individuals abandoned traditional values and lifestyles to compete for economic assets against one another is a failure. Why can't Serbia be fixible liberal society?That is why 'a flexible, liberal society' is not an option nor is it even something to strive for because it is the death of culture: obesity, drugs, tv, advertising, marketing, porn and lots of single childless people; a shrinking population with a falling birthrate. I think a religious society does not adavnce well, have a look at the religious middle easterners and north africans, prior to islam they were the worlds educated elite. No they weren't. You're misinformed. Christianity had also made europeans backward at one point, killing off the smart because the intelligent one was a threat to religion. When did the Orthodox Church kill off our smart people? You're confused, man. Don't confuse Pravoslavlje with Catholicism and Protestantism. Donnie wrote:
His lack of true knowledge about Albanians, Bosniaks & Croats is most evident in his own romantic idea/misinterpretation of 'Serbdom'; with no true grasp of his own identity, how can he possible know others? JUST LOOK AT THE QUOTES AND SCANNED PAGES FROM BOOKS BY ALBANIAN, WESTERN, CROATIAN SCHOLARS I'VE GATHERED ON MY WEBSITE. YOU'LL FIND IT AT THE BOTTOM OF THIS POST ON MY SIGNATURE. Dijedon (donnie) - where is your 'true knowledge' you little *****? Why don't you scan pages from published books to prove what you wrote up there about Serbs? ALLOW ME TO REMIND YOU: www.geocities.com/capitolhill/lobby/7681/Project Perpjekja: Albanian & Western scholars deconstruct Albanian identity in the book: Albanian Identities: Myth & History All pages I cited are scanned, uploaded and linked so that even the most skeptical reader would not doubt the authenticity of the information. I have cited from numerous other works by Western & Albanian academics published in the book, Albanian Identities, a compilation of essays by over 20 specialists in Albanian Studies. These writings first appeared on ILLYRIA FORUMS in early 2006. Fatos Lubonja, Pirro Misha, Ardian Vebiu, Noel Malcolm, Ger Dujzings & Isa Blumi are among the most influential scholars that I’ve cited. Project Perpjekja: Part 1: THE ORIGIN & STRUCTURE OF ALBANIAN ETHNIC IDENTITY (quotes from 3 Western scholars, 4 Albanian scholars) Project Perpjekja: Part 2: ALBANIAN MYTHS ABOUT TH ETHNICITY OF SKENDERBEG & THE KASTRIOTI (quotes from 12 genealogists, a Skenderbeg descendant and 3 Albanian scholars) Project Perpjekja: Part 3: THE MYTH OF RELIGIOUS TOLERANCE AMONG ALBANIANS (quotes from 3 Western & 3 Albanian scholars) Project Perpjekja: Part 4: SERB DEMOGRAPHIC INFLUENCE & THE MYTH OF ALBANIAN-ILLYRIAN IDENTITY (quotes from 4 Western & 3 Albanian scholars) Project Perpjekja: Part 5: KOSOVO’S ECONOMY IN YUGOSLAVIA & THE MYTH OF ALBANIAN HEROISM (quotes from 3 Western & 3 Albanian scholars & miscellaneous) Project Perpjekja: Part 6: THE EDUCATION OF KOSOVO ALBANIANS IN SERBIAN & YUGOSLAV SCHOOLS (1918 – 1989) (quotes from 3 Western scholars & miscellaneous) So, you have no credibility do you? It's just the rant of an angry opportunistic Sipcina who's gonna spend the rest of his adulthood watching his ancestors make the long trek back to Anatolia. www.geocities.com/capitolhill/lobby/7681/PART 3: ALBANIAN ETHNOGENESIS Note: No theory that explains Serb ethno genesis as an autochthonous aggregate of Mesolithic, Neolithic & Bronze Age peoples can claim credibility without addressing Albanian ethnogenesis because the latter's origins were mistakenly thought to be exclusively Illyrian until the 1990s, while the former's were mistakenly thought to be Slavic. Another reason is because Albanian ethno genesis has never been properly explained, partly as a result 4 decades of deliberate distortions from Abania's communist controlled pseudo-scholarship, which has made only slight improvements in the last decade. The theory presented here is different & more credible than others because it makes abundant use of the fossil record & physical anthropology, which are usually avoided by mainstream scholars for political reasons. (I) THE ORIGIN OF THE ALBANIANS: DARDANIANS FROM THE CAUCASUS MIGRATE FROM ANATOLIA TO THE BALKANS UPDATED JANUARY/07 CONTAINS SCANNED PAGES FROM BOOKS ============= (II) EXPLANATORY MAP OF THE MIGRATIONS OF THE DARDANIANS IN EUROPE & ASIA NEW!!! FEBRUARY/07 ============= (III) DARDANIANS IN INDIA DARDS, DARDISTAN & DARDAIC (ABRIDGED) BY: JOHN MOCK, PhD NEW!!! FEBRUARY/07 ============= (III) DETECTING THE TRACES OF POPULATIONS FROM ANATOLIA & THE CAUCASUS IN LIVING ALBANIANS NEW!!! JANUARY/07 ============= (III) THE SERB ORIGIN OF UPPER PALEOLITHIC ALBANIAN TRIBES NEW!!! APRIL/07 ============= (IV) (600 AD - 620 AD): HOW THE SERB & SLAVIC INVASIONS PERMANENTLY ALTERED THE DEMOGRAPHICS OF ALBANIA ============= (V) DETECTING THE PHYSICAL REMAINS OF THE 7TH CENTURY NORDIC SERBS & SLAVS IN MODERN ALBANIANS =================================================== You can't deny your origins anymore. Not after meeting highduke.donnie wrote:
Who can with outmost sincerity negate the similiarities between this type of reasoning and the reasoning made by Hitler, Goebbels and other Nazis?The problem with the Nazis is that they were German and not Slavic and the Y-Chromosome study analyzed here proves: www.geocities.com/capitolhill/lobby/7681/genetics_1.htmlThere is nothing wrong with it. It's Germans and Anglo-Saxons (and Jews) who are the untermensch and who are deservedly being destroyed by their commerce and greed. DONNIE WROTE:
As in all types of serfdom, this feudal lord-slave relation always breaks down the type of virtues highduke claims to have been characteristic of the Serbian farmer; bravery, integrity, a sense of freedom etc. I've never praised the Serb farmer as brave, freedom loving or as having integrity. The highlanders were such. The seljaci - never. Trust me, I'm from the selo but I recognize that I'm a re-emergence of an ancestral type that pre-dated my familypeasant history. My ancestors 200 years ago were from Old Montenegro - Coon's Borreby zone.
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Post by highduke on Jan 7, 2008 20:36:42 GMT -5
I'm not done analyzing your post Dijedon. I'll finish dissecting it and send you a msg by the end of the week.
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Post by Novi Pazar on Jan 7, 2008 21:12:24 GMT -5
I can't say much more you bring up good points, l've got to look into it further.
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Post by wbb on Jan 8, 2008 3:32:22 GMT -5
Allah will never let this happens unless he alone wish so, and i recon it's about time for the turks and arabs to come back to balkans and kicked ur highduke serb *** back to russia. highduke seriously, i feel like punching on 1 on 1, how about u come in to Hungary and meet at the spot and then u can wipe my hungarian muslim arse out of europe habib, it's only possilbility that im gonna chop ur head off in the name of allah. finally highduke showed me kind of religion orthodoxy is, well put it this way, how will these catholic and muslim people convert into orthodoxy, when ur insulting other people's religion? Highduke plz do me a favour, stop giving serbs a bad name. Wbb, be alittle more careful in the way your expressing yourself and choose words more wisely. Your post is very line ball, l have given you the benefit of doubt since historically you express yourself in a good manner.
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Post by donnie on Jan 8, 2008 4:02:23 GMT -5
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Thanks for confirming that we too, just like Greeks and Thracians, had colonies in Asia. That we're the kinsmen of Priam of Troy and his son Hector. But I do not know what relevance that has to you being the product of inbred serfs!?
You said "warrior farmers". That suggests you see the medieval Serbian farming class as warlike. How could they have been 'warlike' if they were opressed serfs?
You're a meropah descendant, nothing more. Whereas my ancestors have been free pastoralists and warriors ever since ancient times; both as highlanders near Shkodër but also as peasants in Kosova. The Turk could never trample us as they did with you.
Go ahead Igor, lol.
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Post by Novi Pazar on Jan 8, 2008 4:38:18 GMT -5
"When did the Orthodox Church kill off our smart people? You're confused, man.
Don't confuse Pravoslavlje with Catholicism and Protestantism."
I might be wrong, but think of it this way, if we relied on the church *strictly* that didn't allow humanity to technologically advance, and because of it, instead of being 2008 but technological progressiveness was at 1808 level and you had a disease that needed 2008 technology to cure it, then what?.
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Post by highduke on Jan 8, 2008 21:19:55 GMT -5
donnie:
Hilarious thread. It brings out highduke's already infamous hypocricy. Speaking in moral terms on one hand, criticizing the pillars upon which modern global socities are built on (i.e. commerce) while on the other hand speaking of slaughtering all Albanian males and enslave our women.
Once again - you have no sources, no proof to back up anything you say. Serb peasants aren't heroic but the Serb highlander pastoralists are half of the entire Serb population- so I don't see why look at Serbs exclusively as peasant stock.
Those people are necessary for a stable society. We have others who specialize in heroism.
Siptari are wild Anatolians who don't have that stable half and are thus constantly degenerate, corrupting Europe with drugs and guns and prostitution.
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I guess the possibiltiy of being a descendant of a bastard, the offspring of some (un)voluntary sex relation between a Turkish landlord and a Serbian peasant woman, eats him from within. Filled with hatred, he wish for others to feel the same complex.
You complain that I want to reduce Siptarke to prostitute status by enslaving them and yet you seem proud of the fact that Muslim beys raped their Christian serfs' wife on the first night of marriage judging by your remark.
Do you know what the difference is between our two impulses? The Albanians were the ones who did it first. Serbs haven't done that to Albanians. Yet. And if we did it would only be revenge because you started it first. That means it would not have been as bad. But we haven't done it yet, so are we stupid or are we fair for not having done it?
Who the * * * * are you to talk to me about heroism and bravery? You hooked up with the Turks and opressed the Serbs and then you throw that in a Serb's face after criticising his morals regarding fascism?
You talk about human rights and yet you don't seem too concerned about the 100 000 Serb humans expelled by Albanians in '99 or the mini massacre a few years later.
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Hilarious thread. It brings out highduke's already infamous hypocricy.
I posted you scanned pages of quotes from Western and Albanian scholars to back up my POV on Albanians. You posted what? Your own unreferenced 'article' about peasant-warriors.
You little ****. You pathetic, little ****. You're just projecting your own deserved self-hatred on to me. You're the hypocrite because you have no evidence and I do and yet you insist that you're right and I'm wrong..
I never said Serbs were "peasant warriors". Quote me, ******. Link me. If you can't quote me & link me, then don't attribute the statement to me.
Should we listen to Western and Albanian scholars whom highduke relies on for his POV about Albanian (lack of) character - or Dijedon's unrefferenced rant that assumes that 100% (and not 1/2%) of the Serb population were peasants? You, little Sipcina.
Let me remind you, Dijedon:
A healthy man has no contradictions or is successfully always striving and eager to eliminate any contradiction as soon as it becomes apparent to him.
A defective man has multiple contradictions wants to think that this doesn't make him any better than the healthy man. He envies the healthy man and wants to tear him down.
That's what's being played out in the Kosovo conflict on an ethnic scale between two ethnic groups as opposed to two individuals. These are two mentalities, one valueless and one valuable.
You Siptari betrayed Skenderbeg and converted to Islam and prospered by helping his Turkish enemies. They are not even European but descend from Anatolians. They created a theory of Illyrian-European origin in the late 19th century full of holes to cover up their Asiatic origin. Then they discarded their religion as soon as it became convenient which means lack of honor or consistency. They've been allied to the Red Chinese under Mao, to the Turks, to the Nazis and to the US which is hated world-wide and just as odious as the others.
You will be consumed by hatred and envy. That is the path of all hypocrites, regardless of ethnicity, because you don't have the ability to be consistent in your self-expression.
That is what frustrates a man the most and makes him at a loss regarding his own identity because he's been different things at different times. When the different stages were fundamentally contradictory to previous ones (e.g: Sipci - Christianity/Islam, Islam/Nationalism, Stalinism/Maoism, Communism/Democracy, China/USA) - a man becomes ontologically insecure and neurotic and lashes out and blames others because of a lack of self-understanding.
When an ethnicity goes through such contradictory stages in its history it develops the same way because the ethno-psyche is analogous to the the individual personality.
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Post by wbb on Jan 9, 2008 3:34:38 GMT -5
yeah i know novi pazar, but this topic is very offensive, i hope aadmin gonna do something about it, this is a very provocative topic by highduke no doubt about that.
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Post by Novi Pazar on Jan 9, 2008 5:52:35 GMT -5
"yeah i know novi pazar, but this topic is very offensive, i hope aadmin gonna do something about it, this is a very provocative topic by highduke no doubt about that."
Yes, it is an extremely controversial topic, just like same sex marrages or euthanasia. Highduke has the right to freely express his opinions, but it doesn't give yourself or him the right to lash out abuse toward our fellow debater.
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Post by highduke on Jan 10, 2008 19:15:18 GMT -5
Well...
I'd say I burned 'donnie', aka: Dijedon from the old Illyria Forums on ezboard.com. I expected to log on and post a number of other piercing thoughts I've wanted to dish out to him over the last couple of days that our exchange has been taking place.
The gist of what I had in mind is the same: that Albanians are sick for all the reasons I made clear and which Dijedon personified so perfectly. I'm going to add this link to Dijedon's upcoming trophy section of my website found at the bottom of the page:
www.geocities.com/capitolhill/lobby/7681/Novi Pazar: Who do you think Dijedon wants to win in Serbia? Does he want all Serbs thinking like Tadic & Jovanovic? Or does he want all Serbs to be exactly like highduke and vote for the Radicals and unify with Putin's New Russia? Then ask yourself - does Dijedon like Serbs very much? Does Dijedon want the best for us? Is Dijedon really concerned about our future? Then ask yourself - who would Dijedon rather have win in Serbia? He likes the same people you do - Jovanovic & Tadic. Dijedon wants a liberal, flexible society to win out in Serbia for the same reason he wants it in the West. He likes liberalism, commerce, technology, the Jews and multiculturalism and yet Siptari are neither liberal, commercially or technologically advanced or multicultural and they seem to like & identify with the Jews because Siptari can continue to prosper by polluting Europe with drugs, guns and prostitution, including pedophilia. Holbrooke says that the hatred between Serbs and Serb-derived pseudo-ethnic groups including Sipcine is greater then the hatred nbetween Jew and Arab. That means that the hatred between me and Dijedon is the greatest hartred in the modern human consciousness. It is the strongest negative emotion that is able to be felt by any other living beings except Serbs and these others. The difference is that the Siptari hate with envy because we are everything they want to be but are opposite of.
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Post by sookis on Jan 10, 2008 20:35:00 GMT -5
Well... I'd say I burned 'donnie', aka: Dijedon from the old Illyria Forums on ezboard.com. I expected to log on and post a number of other piercing thoughts I've wanted to dish out to him over the last couple of days that our exchange has been taking place.
The gist of what I had in mind is the same: that Albanians are sick for all the reasons I made clear and which Dijedon personified so perfectly. I'm going to add this link to Dijedon's upcoming trophy section of my website found at the bottom of the page:
www.geocities.com/capitolhill/lobby/7681/Novi Pazar: Who do you think Dijedon wants to win in Serbia? Does he want all Serbs thinking like Tadic & Jovanovic? Or does he want all Serbs to be exactly like highduke and vote for the Radicals and unify with Putin's New Russia? Then ask yourself - does Dijedon like Serbs very much? Does Dijedon want the best for us? Is Dijedon really concerned about our future? Then ask yourself - who would Dijedon rather have win in Serbia? He likes the same people you do - Jovanovic & Tadic. Dijedon wants a liberal, flexible society to win out in Serbia for the same reason he wants it in the West. He likes liberalism, commerce, technology, the Jews and multiculturalism and yet Siptari are neither liberal, commercially or technologically advanced or multicultural and they seem to like & identify with the Jews because Siptari can continue to prosper by polluting Europe with drugs, guns and prostitution, including pedophilia.---- Definitely, Donnie and most in the world would prefer to see fair, eco. growth oriented and peace minded men like Jovanovic become PM and Tadic his Prez. BTW, everyone likes liberalism, commerce, education, tech growth, and especially The Jews. If it wasn't for many of their gifted people, we wouldn't have the science that put a name on the disease that afflicts paranoid, low self esteemed, sad and lonely men like you. Holbrooke says that the hatred between Serbs and Serb-derived pseudo-ethnic groups including Sipcine is greater than the hatred between Jew and Arab. That means that the hatred between me and Dijedon is the greatest hatred in modern human consciousness. It is the strongest negative emotion that is able to be felt by any other living beings except Serbs and these others. The difference is that the Siptari hate with envy because we are everything they want to be but are opposite of. To "hate" denotes another feeling in this type of person, which is 'to care'. From the posts Donnie put here, there is an overwhelming sense of caring for his people and their suffering under the terrorist Milosevic than any hatred for Serbs.This appears to be the main point Donnie makes in his posts regarding your intentionally offensive and hate mongering title of your thread. Here's a good article for you to read and understand a bit about your deep crisis in this crossroad moment in your people's history. linkIn order to feel hate for another, one must truly dislike something about themselves or their people or their experience in life and their people. This lashing out at Donnie is a symptom of your deep desire to lash out at someone very close to you in your life. Perhaps a teacher or relative. If you look at the recent 8 year history of the Kosovar Albanians, you have to admire their abilities to rebuild all they have lost in the last few decades, since a man named Rankovic came into power. If the Albanian people did feel any sort of envy towards your people's economic wealth, you have to take off your hat for all the Kosovar Albanians have done in the last 8 years since the Serbian army left her territory and left them in relative peace. I am referring to the individual Albanians who rebuilt their homes, and businesses and continued their educations and simply rebuilt their society on a whole. Without the people's agreement, assistance and energy to rebuild their nation, Kosova would still look like what most of Srpska still looks like now or parts of Nis or Pancevo in Serbia, even with all the aid in the world. Most of Kosova looks like a modern nation with paved roads and a highly educated population that competes with the likes of Switzerland or Luxemburg. So, if the Albanians did feel any envy towards Serbs, you have to give them the credit for working hard as they did, after what they suffered under Serbian occupation and policies of expulsion and murder, to basically surpass your nation as a unified people moving in one direction=a bright future filled with economic prosperity and hope for their people's happiness, security and growth.
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Post by Novi Pazar on Jan 10, 2008 21:13:41 GMT -5
"Who do you think Dijedon wants to win in Serbia? Does he want all Serbs thinking like Tadic & Jovanovic? Or does he want all Serbs to be exactly like highduke and vote for the Radicals and unify with Putin's New Russia?"
I think Kostunica is the man, his the middle man, all the other parties are too far apart.....too extreme.
"He likes the same people you do - Jovanovic & Tadic. Dijedon wants a liberal, flexible society to win out in Serbia for the same reason he wants it in the West."
Yes l know what Dijedon (Donnie) desires.
"He likes liberalism, commerce, technology, the Jews and multiculturalism and yet Siptari are neither liberal, commercially or technologically advanced or multicultural and they seem to like & identify with the Jews because Siptari can continue to prosper by polluting Europe with drugs, guns and prostitution, including pedophilia."
I know they are not a liberal society, they are a welfare society reliant on the mafia and international money etc...
"Holbrooke says that the hatred between Serbs and Serb-derived pseudo-ethnic groups including Sipcine is greater then the hatred nbetween Jew and Arab. That means that the hatred between me and Dijedon is the greatest hartred in the modern human consciousness. It is the strongest negative emotion that is able to be felt by any other living beings except Serbs and these others."
hehehe l've read about Harold wv Temperley. Holbrooke is an idiot!!.
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Post by highduke on Jan 11, 2008 20:52:13 GMT -5
donnie (aka Dijedon, aka: sookis new member
You are one big * * * * * * * embarassing *****.
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Novi Pazar...you're worthless. Please stay out of my threads from now on. I know it's hard because my threads are most viewed on this forum. You can read them just don't comment on them. You don't want what's happening to Dijedon (donnie) as well as what happened to Aadmin. TLR, XPOFerens - to happen to you as well.
But, I think that, much like donnie (aka dijedon aka sookis) you might be in a self-destructive mood this season and are seeking me out for one of the many showdowns I'm famous for having on this message board.
I could never hook "Dijedon/donnnie" into a situation where I could dissect him as fully as what played out in this thread while there was hope for Kosovo independence. But now that all that's out the window thanks to RU and Dijedon's gotten a bit weak and a bit soft and vulnerable.
All I had to do to hook him was find the right subject, send him a caustic private message once every few days for a couple of weeks just to keep me fresh in his daily memory and then post the thread. I knew he'd engage me this time and I was right.
Now he's getting his own trophy section on my website. There will also be several more threads in the near fututre in which Dijedon will be forced to participate, much like TLR was back in the ezboard days and thus unwittingly accumulate more material for his trophy page.
Dijedonnie, I told you almost 3 years get you'd get your trophy section. I'll be posting drafts of it here in Serbia Forum.
PS: I'll be adding Aadmin's and TLR's pics once I get the time. Please post your picture if you're actually proud of your conduct in this thread. I dare you to prove that by posting your pic.
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Post by Pejoni on Jan 11, 2008 21:15:41 GMT -5
^^ Why would they post their pics you queer
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Post by sookis on Jan 11, 2008 22:12:41 GMT -5
donnie (aka Dijedon, aka: sookis new member
You are one big f u c k i n g embarassing idiot.--------------------- Novi Pazar...you're worthless. Please stay out of my threads from now on. =============== Dijedon will be forced to participate, much like TLR was back in the ezboard days and thus unwittingly accumulate more material for his trophy page. ======= PS: I'll be adding Aadmin's and TLR's pics once I get the time. Please post your picture if you're actually proud of your conduct in this thread. I dare you to prove that by posting your pic. [/b][/quote] You're seriously losing your mind over this Kosova thing. Get a life, see your family friends, get out of town. With words like the above, you're making some serious threats to people and those words of yours are pretty much actionable by those you threatened. I'd take a second look at what you threatened to do to Donnie or Admin and retract some of your words. Public forums is not a free for all to post any kind of threat that pleases you. Pick your words wisely and with heavy thought, esp. since the new year and the state you live in. All kinds of new laws have been passed about the internet and the types of things you can and cannot say.
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Post by Sh1 Shonić on Jan 12, 2008 5:02:52 GMT -5
Veliki Vojvodo (Highduke). Molio bih te za manje vredjana. Probaj biti malo dostojanstveniji u svojim postovima.
Hvala
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Post by albaniansoul on Jan 12, 2008 8:22:26 GMT -5
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Post by suart on Jan 12, 2008 8:49:04 GMT -5
Siptarkasoul, Turkey already lies in the Balkans..
Easy with you slittings.....you taleban of Kosmet, that is why you are so backward and unwanted on both sides, No albanian likes to have a connection with you sips.
Suart, easy with the lanauge.
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Post by sookis on Jan 12, 2008 12:04:20 GMT -5
donnie (aka Dijedon, aka: sookis new member Oh since you couldn't say one word about the Albanians in Kosova rebuilding their homes and cities and towns in pretty miraculous time, since their returns, you need to get ad hominen and attack the messenger. You're pretty pathetic with your personal attacks.
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