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Post by radovic on Dec 4, 2007 10:39:17 GMT -5
B-H down by 24 places in Competitiveness index
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The World Bank's 2008 report ranked B-H 105th, among 178 countries.
The 2007/8 Global Competitiveness Report by the World Economic Forum puts B-H on position 106 among 131 countries of the world according to competitiveness of her economy.
The country's overall ranking has come down by 24 positions in comparison to the previous year (15 positions considering that 122 countries were ranked in last year's report). The latest report shows drops in healthcare, primary education and macroeconomic stability.
Commenting on the report, HR's first deputy Raffi Gregorian said the negative indicators are mostly blamed on inconsistency in the implementation of reforms, but emphasized that situation in the Brcko District is much better in this respect, that in the two entities.
The World Bank's 2008 report ranked B-H 105th, among 178 countries.(Dnevni avaz)
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Post by Zvone on Dec 4, 2007 14:50:43 GMT -5
At least they beat Albania, 109th. Serbia is doing good at 91. Montenegro is ranked at 82. Maybe independence was the right choice? Croatia is below Mexico at 57. Talk about a dirty sanchez.
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Post by MiG on Dec 4, 2007 17:05:53 GMT -5
-"Croatia is below Mexico at 57. Talk about a dirty sanchez."-
ROFL!. Jebiga, they have the benefit of NAFTA. We are still not in the EU, but I'm sure things will change in the next year or so.
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Post by tyson on Dec 4, 2007 17:16:34 GMT -5
^ why do you think that croatia joining the EU will be better?... look at EU countries like the baltic states,.. they're still poor ass countries. the EU is not the solution to croatia's problems
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Post by Zvone on Dec 4, 2007 17:47:22 GMT -5
Croatia won't benefit joining the EU. The EUs main goal is to make it easier for Europeans to buy and sell things to each other. Croatia does not have a product except its land. Say goodbye to "Dobrodošli u Dubrovnik" and hello to "Willkommen zu Dubrovnik."
Although what Croatia is doing to meet EU standards is commendable. I hope EU never accepts Croatia, but the politicans just try harder to get in it. Motivation is all they need.
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Post by srbobran on Dec 4, 2007 17:55:19 GMT -5
I agree. The EU is an outcropping of German-British imperial desires to assimilate us into a common "European" identity. To hell with them, our respective national heritages is more important.
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Post by Zvone on Dec 4, 2007 18:15:19 GMT -5
That would be ironic. The British don't consider themselves part of Europe and the Germans don't like the EU. If you want to blame someone blame the French. Why? Because they are French and they started it all.
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Post by radovic on Dec 5, 2007 12:18:53 GMT -5
At least they beat Albania, 109th. Serbia is doing good at 91. Montenegro is ranked at 82. Maybe independence was the right choice? Croatia is below Mexico at 57. Talk about a dirty sanchez. Montenegro was always more competitive then Serbia. Montenegro doesn't have a large number of industries that need protectionist measures -- unlike the rest of ex-YU countries. The simple fact is that as long as Kostunica is in power Serbia will not carry out the necessary reform.
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Post by radovic on Dec 5, 2007 12:22:39 GMT -5
^ why do you think that croatia joining the EU will be better?... look at EU countries like the baltic states,.. they're still poor ass countries. the EU is not the solution to croatia's problems joining the EU is idiotic. The fact is that it is no longer the time to look west, but also look east. Russia, India and China are the dominant economies of the future. In Serbia I like the view that some DSS officials have said which can be summarized as -- be like Switzerland (strong trading relation with EU, not member) but also look East (also, if serbian politicians were smart they'd use the fact that Serbia is the only country with a good FTA with the EU and Russia). Do that I'd also add look to the Arab world for business -- I mean in the 70s and 80s the ex-YU states were profiting from business with them.
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Post by hellboy87 on Dec 5, 2007 13:22:28 GMT -5
Why all this anti EUing?
I thought the EU was to make things easier for Europeans as one of you said above
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Post by radovic on Dec 5, 2007 13:23:18 GMT -5
Why all this anti EUing? I thought the EU was to make things easier for Europeans as one of you said above no. it was initially meant to benefit France and Germany the most -- and still largely is that way.
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Post by hellboy87 on Dec 5, 2007 13:27:48 GMT -5
well I read in my Law book that the EU was meant to combine the economies of Europe into one to compete against the other mightier economies of US,China,India
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Post by radovic on Dec 5, 2007 13:57:18 GMT -5
well I read in my Law book that the EU was meant to combine the economies of Europe into one to compete against the other mightier economies of US,China,India that's a joke. when the EU was formed China and India were not economic powers. At the time Europe could not compete with America since at the time America was financing Europe's recovery. Furthermore, the union was formed by a French desire to have access to the coal of saarland after Saarland's reintegration into Europe was guarantted. It suited the Germans as a way to guarantee Saarland's reintegration. Later it was expanded to include other countries who were smaller and weaker economically then Germany and France. Why -- becauser expanding this union benfitted France and Germany economically. Who are the main two forces in the EU -- Germany and France.
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Post by zgembo on Dec 5, 2007 14:29:26 GMT -5
EU is a by-product of the European Steel and Coal Community, the motivating factor behind which was promoting economic integration (which would reduce the possibility of war, through increased economic inter-dependency of the countries, as well as take in the benefits of free trade).
Countries like Croatia and Serbia have only to gain economically by joining the EU (increased competitiveness, access to markets, increase in foreign investment, stable currency, not to mention equalization payments by the richer EU countries). Fact of the matter is, neither Croatia nor Serbia can well afford not to be part of the EU (the costs of being outside of it are probably in the hundreds of millions euro per year) The only percieved losses are social, the fear of European cultural integration. That is overblown though. Most everyone in Western European still identifies by their national identity first. And despite all the fear of foreigners invading and buying up land, that is very limited. First of all, land is a traded good like any and deserves to be in the possesion of those who value it (monetarily) the most. Nevertheless, most people are hesitant to leave the comfort of their country and value more that sense of comfort. Whatever individual owns a piece of land his/her right to it are conditional to paying taxes and following the rules of the national government.
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Post by zgembo on Dec 5, 2007 14:39:04 GMT -5
And whoever think politicians have something to gain by getting us into the EU is seriously misled. If they cared about power, they wouldn't want the EU because it diltus some of the control they have over their own countries. Politicians, the forward looking ones that care about living standards, promote the EU because it has the potential of turning our backward countries into actual developed countries on par with the West (look just at Greece, which was poorer than any part of Yugoslavia prior to joining the EU).
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Post by MiG on Dec 5, 2007 17:37:28 GMT -5
^ Amen to that man.
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Post by radovic on Dec 6, 2007 9:52:00 GMT -5
Mapko, you exaggerate the benfits of the EU. Swiss model is the best -- close relation with the EU, no membership.
I doubt the EU actually wants any more Balkan states in it -- the only people who talk of expansion are EU bureucrats who are almost always do not know what EU citizens want. Not only that but it's illogical for them to talk of expansion when the new EU treaty has yet to go through the ratification process and until it does EU law specifically caps membership at 27 states.
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Post by zgembo on Dec 7, 2007 8:00:47 GMT -5
You cannot compare Serbia/Croatia to either Switzerland or Norway. Those two are probably the richest countries in Europe right now, joining the EU offers them limited possibilities for moving up. Their populations don't have to worry about economic prosperity and can thus fall back on nationalistic sentiments. That is a plainly retarded option for either Croatia or Serbia, but judging from the 90s we are only capable of orienting towards those.
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Post by radovic on Dec 7, 2007 11:32:19 GMT -5
You cannot compare Serbia/Croatia to either Switzerland or Norway. Those two are probably the richest countries in Europe right now, joining the EU offers them limited possibilities for moving up. Their populations don't have to worry about economic prosperity and can thus fall back on nationalistic sentiments. That is a plainly retarded option for either Croatia or Serbia, but judging from the 90s we are only capable of orienting towards those. If Serbia does join the EU I'd want Serbia to reserve the right to unilaterally leave the EU. I'm against the EU and nothing people say will convince me otherwise.
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Post by vinjak on Dec 8, 2007 17:11:15 GMT -5
I guess the EU is a solution to all the small economicaly vunerable new states the west is creating all over Europe.
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