|
Post by Emperor AAdmin on Nov 23, 2007 22:05:00 GMT -5
Summary: In the era of dinosaurs there were some of them who boldly stood apart from the rest. One such case is a dino called Troodon. Smaller and predatory but highly intelligent for its time (would have easily outrun and outsmarted early mammals). Its cunning and intellect has been compared to those of todays coyotes (highly intelligent and adaptable predatory animals). Basic premise is what if there was no cataclysmic event that wiped out dinosaurs over 50 million years ago? It is now assumed by some scientists that earth would not have needed humans to reach these levels of civilization we see before us today. It appears that Troodon could have easily also evolved to perhaps even bypass our civilizational levels by now. Quote from wikipedia:In 1982, paleontologist Dale Russell, curator of vertebrate fossils at the National Museum of Canada in Ottawa, speculated on how evolution would have proceeded if the troodonts had survived the extinction of the dinosaurs. Russell speculated that a species like Troodon would have grown smarter and taken on a human-like appearance. Russell partnered with taxidermist and artist Ron Sequin and together they made a model of what a derived, intelligent Troodon would look like, naming their fantasy creation a "Dinosauroid" (Russell & Séguin, 1982). While a few paleontologists, such as David Norman (1985) and Cristiano dal Sasso (2004) have regarded this as a plausible line of reasoning, others, such as Gregory S. Paul (1988) and Thomas R. Holtz Jr., consider it "suspiciously human" (Paul, 1988) and argue that a large-brained, highly intelligent troodontid would retain a more standard theropod body plan. Darren Naish has suggested the ground hornbill as a better model for a hominid-mimicking terrestrial theropod. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troodonperhaps related links en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reptilian_humanoidwww.daviddarling.info/encyclopedia/D/dinosaurintell.htmlOriginal look over 50 millions years ago A model of the hypothetical Dinosauroid. (as it might have appeared today) PS: Looks suspiciously similar to manner in which supposed aliens are described. Suppose that such an animal (that over 50 million years was extremely intelligent for its day and age) would have survived the cataclysmic event that wiped out dinosaurs over 50 million years ago. Now suppose that it would have evolved into something even more evolved then us. Taking into account that over 50 million years ago it was so evolved then it would have bypassed us in evolution over millions of years ago. Simply put, by now, it could have one hell of a evolutionarily jump ahead of us and it would have perhaps even colonized other worlds by now (perhaps searching for warmer climates on other planets being a reptilian who need warmer climates, perhaps artificially induced). In such an event we would have easily been guinea pigs in dino constructed lab.
|
|
|
Post by Emperor AAdmin on Nov 23, 2007 22:27:04 GMT -5
something interesting ----- Mythological references to reptilian humanoids Many ancient cultures have described reptoids in their traditions and folklore. The Americas The Hopi refer to a race of subterranean reptoids called the Sheti, or "Snake-Brothers". In pre-Columbian mythology, the primordial woman Bachue transformed into a large snake. She is also referred to as "the Celestial Snake" (Serpiente Celestial). In accordance with this regional tradition, many users of the drug Dimethyltryptamine (the active ingredient in many South American shamanic potions such as ayahuasca) claim to have seen reptilian humanoids or reptilian disincarnate entities and aliens manifest while hallucinating (Strassman 2000). Jim Morrison, frontman of the psychedelic rock band The Doors, declared his alter ego to be the Lizard King as part of his exploration of Native American shamanism. In Aztec religious history, the benefactor God is Quetzalcoatl, the "feathered snake". Europe Cecrops I, the first mythical King of Athens was half man, half snake. In mythology, the Titans and Gigantes were winged-man princes with serpents as their retainers. This is illustrated, for example, on a frieze on the Pergamon Altar in Pergamum. In these images from Pergamum, some of which depict gigantomachy, one sees the giant Klyteros with huge serpents between his legs.[1] Boreas (Aquilon to the Romans) was the Greek god of the cold north wind, described by Pausanias as a winged fairy man with serpents between his legs.[2] India In Indian scriptures and legends, the Naga (Devanagari) are reptilian beings said to live underground and interact with human beings on the surface. In some versions, these beings were said to have once lived on a continent in the Indian Ocean that sank beneath the waves. Indian texts also refer to a reptilian race called the "Sarpa" (Devanagari). The Syrictæ (Greek: Skiritai; Latin: Sciritae) of India were a tribe of men with snake-like nostrils in place of noses and bandy serpentine legs. East Asia The Chinese, Vietnamese, Korean and Japanese speak throughout their history of Lóng (Yong in Korean, Ryu in Japanese) or dragons, conceived of in both physical and non-physical forms, but rarely depicted in humanoid form, though they may assume a non-reptilian human form.[3] The Japanese have tales of Kappa, which may be interpreted as reptilian humanoids. In China, Korea and Japan, underwater realms are referred to where the Dragon Kings and their descendants live, as well as a lineage of humans descended from a race of dragons. This lineage was often claimed by East Asian emperors, who were believed to be able to change from human to dragon form at will (the dragon is seen as good rather than evil in Eastern tradition).[4] Middle East In the Middle East, reptilian beings ranging from certain Jinn to dragons and serpent-men have been spoken of since ancient times. In one of the apocryphal books falsely purporting to be the lost Book of Jasher, a serpent race is described. In the Book of Genesis, God punishes the serpent for deceiving Eve into eating the fruit of the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil by decreeing, "Upon thy belly thou shalt go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of your life" (Genesis 3:14 KJV). Traditionally, many have felt this implied that the serpent (a snake or reptile) had legs before then. Thus It is therefore often portrayed in Western art as a humanoid (woman) with a snake's tail, and sometimes lizard-like feet, as in a detail from Bosch's Last Judgement. In the Middle Ages down to modern times, the Devil was often conceived as a humanoid with reptilian characteristics, as were demons in general. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reptilian_humanoid
|
|
|
Post by Emperor AAdmin on Nov 23, 2007 22:28:56 GMT -5
Scientific speculation In a thought experiment published in 1982, paleontologist Dale Russell, curator of vertebrate fossils at the National Museum of Canada in Ottawa, conjectured that, had the Chicxulub meteorite not exterminated the dinosaurs 65 million years ago, bipedal predators (theropods) which existed at that time, such as Troodon, would have evolved into intelligent beings similar in body plan to humans. Troodontids had semi-manipulative fingers, able to grasp and hold objects to a certain degree, and binocular vision. Like most dinosaurs of the troodontid family, this imaginary creature, which Russell called the "Dinosauroid", would have had large eyes and three fingers on each hand, one of which would have been partially opposed. As with most modern reptiles (and birds), its genitalia would have been internal. Russell speculated that it would have required a navel, as a placenta aids the development of a large brain case, however it would not have possessed mammary glands, and would have fed its young, as birds do, on regurgitated food. Its language would have sounded somewhat like bird song. Russell's fanciful speculation has been met with criticism from other paleontologists since the 1980s, many of whom point out that Russell's Dinosauroid is overly anthropomorphic. Gregory S. Paul (1988) and Thomas R. Holtz Jr., consider it "suspiciously human" (Paul, 1988) and argue that a large-brained, highly intelligent troodontid would retain a more standard theropod body plan, with a horizontal posture and long tail, and would probably manipulate objects with the snout and feet in the manner of a bird, rather than with human-like "hands". Darren Naish (2006) pointed to the ground hornbill as a better model for an intelligent dinosaur.[6][7] The artist Nemo Ramjet has used these new approaches to the original thought experiment to re-interpret the Dinosauroid, going so far as to create "Dinosauroid cave art", which depicts sentient, tool-using troodontids and other dinosaurs and pterosaurs, painted using sticks and feathers.[8] en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reptilian_humanoid
|
|
|
Post by Emperor AAdmin on Nov 23, 2007 22:33:40 GMT -5
Conspiracy theories There are many conspiracy theories involving reptilian extraterrestrials, or terrestrials of reptilian lineage. Many posit that the so-called Greys are in fact reptiles, and should be categorized as "Reptoids", others that Reptoids are an entirely different species working with or in opposition to the Greys. Some conspiracy promoters have also claimed that they are capable of shape-shifting (Icke, 2004). One of the earliest, modern-day reports is that of Ashland, Nebraska police officer Herbert Schirmer. On December 3, 1967, Schirmer claims to have been taken aboard a UFO that appeared just outside of Ashland, where he encountered humanoid beings, 4 feet 6 inches to 5 feet (1.4 m to 1.5 m) tall, who wore close-fitting silvery gray uniforms, boots, and gloves. Their heads were thin, and longer than a human head. The skin on their faces was grey-white, the nose flat, the mouth merely a slit which did not move, even when they spoke. Their eyes were slightly slanted. While only slightly reptilian in their outward appearance, these beings bore a "winged serpent" emblem on the left side of their chest. Schirmer alleged that the beings are from another galaxy, and have bases on Earth.[9] There are also beliefs that reptilians are in the government and are responsible for many of the atrocities that the government commits. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reptilian_humanoid
|
|
|
Post by Emperor AAdmin on Nov 23, 2007 22:34:29 GMT -5
Theories of John Rhodes John Rhodes was the first person to seriously investigate and publicly present claims of reptilian-humanoid sightings and/or contact (Ronson, Jon (2007-09-07). All Hail Our Lizard Overlords. Retrieved on 2007-11-22.). He established the Reptoids.com[10] Research Center in 1997 to collect, review and present evidence of reptoid activity. He has also appeared on television and radio shows being interviewed about his discoveries and the science supporting the theory of Reptoids. Rhodes contends that the majority of the reptilian humanoids are descendants of the dinosaurs and are biological byproducts of Earth evolution. Rhodes cites the 1980s thought experiment of Dale Russell as an example of scientific projection that correlates his "Evolved Reptoid" theory. (see above). Rhodes also states that human attention has been intentionally misdirected away from the underworld toward deep space, so the subject of underground Earth dwelling Reptoids and lost ancient civilizations can remain secret. Rhodes also adds that most accusations of politicians shape-shifting into reptilian humanoids are totally unfounded, and that such reports are simply projections of collective fear and blame for the world's conditions. [citation needed] When questioned as to why Reptoids have become the proverbial "whipping boys" of modern ufology, he responds that it is because people tend to have a knee-jerk reaction to the image that western religious authorities have conditioned us to fear and distrust. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reptilian_humanoid
|
|
|
Post by Emperor AAdmin on Nov 23, 2007 22:34:56 GMT -5
David Icke According to David Icke, reptilian humanoids are the force behind a worldwide conspiracy directed at manipulation and control of humanity. He contends that most of the world's leaders, from William Jefferson Clinton, Hillary Rodham Clinton, Barack Obama and George W. Bush to members of the British royal family, are in fact related to the 7-foot (2.1 m) tall, blood-drinking reptilians from the star system Alpha Draconis. According to an interview with David Icke, Christine Fitzgerald, a confidante of the late Diana, Princess of Wales, claims that Diana told her that the Royal Family were reptilian aliens, and that they could shapeshift.[11] David Icke and others have claimed that U.S. President George W. Bush and his family are part of this same bloodline (Icke, 2004). Icke claims, based on his exploration of genealogical connections to European royalty, that many presidents of the United States have been and are reptilian humanoids. In his view, United States foreign policy after September 11 is the product of a reptilian conspiracy to enslave humanity, with George W. Bush as a servant of the reptilians. He also theorizes that the reptilians came to Earth from the constellation Draco. One type of reptilian entity that people see during alleged encounters resembles reptoids similar to those that are addressed in the studies of John Rhodes and the Reptoids Research Center(s). en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reptilian_humanoid
|
|
|
Post by Emperor AAdmin on Nov 23, 2007 22:47:24 GMT -5
I figured to spice it up a bit with all these posts.
(Of course everything should be viewed as a hypothetical scenario or entertainment)
WHAT IF (THESE REPTILES SURVIVED)?
PS: Is it so far fetched to imagine that this particular reptiles survived? They were small, intelligent, feeding on insects and small mammals. Insects and mammals survived but not them (also take into account that many reptiles survived until now)! Does it add up?
|
|
|
Post by ILIRI I MADH on Nov 24, 2007 3:45:55 GMT -5
According to David Icke, reptilian humanoids are the force behind a worldwide conspiracy directed at manipulation and control of humanity. He contends that most of the world's leaders, from William Jefferson Clinton, Hillary Rodham Clinton, Barack Obama and George W. Bush to members of the British royal family, are in fact related to the 7-foot (2.1 m) tall, blood-drinking reptilians from the star system Alpha Draconis.
-------
I agree ahhahah, now that you think of that, bush and the clintons resemble dinosaurs ahahahahaha
|
|
|
Post by Emperor AAdmin on Nov 24, 2007 15:05:08 GMT -5
One of the members send me a private message
" I didn't want to post this cuz it's really out there, but Ickes and those who do his kind of work also said that the ARk of the Covenant, built by Moses, or his people, was actually a radio transmitter. What's you take on that? I found it strange cuz I thought it was too close to the Indian Jones films. "
My opinion on a topic like this is that I do not have enough credible and provable data to make any static opinion.
1-If the question was if is a possibility that the intelligent dino from above replies might have survied I say that there is.
2-If the question was if there is a possibility that this intelligent dino might have progressed in evolution more/faster then humans if they would have survived I would have said YES therefore very likely assumption (and that by now it could have easily colonized other worlds and that they could be the hypothetical aliens that at occasion visit us as claimed by some).
3-If number 2 is taken as truth then it would be a given that such 'aliens' would be millions of years of evolution from humans (who would almost certainly be practically toys in their hands) and would explain a rapid progression of civilization and technology in the past several thousand years (from stone tools to computers and cosmology in such a short time span?!)
PS: I have no reliable data to be in a position to answer questions/scenarios 1-2-3 but I do find them at least somewhat probable.
|
|
|
Post by uz on Jun 19, 2011 13:51:37 GMT -5
Apparently the tower of Babel was a rocket ship, and the "God's" were not happy with this advancement so they introduced languages/culture to us, so we could find ways to be different from another, and break down the human species into multiple sub-groups so we have trouble working together again.
|
|
|
Post by SKORIC on Jun 19, 2011 14:22:50 GMT -5
It is also a part of various african tribe folklore, including the zulu's and what they call the "Chitauri"
David icke interviewed one of the last two zulu shamans here about it:
|
|
|
Post by SKORIC on Jun 19, 2011 14:23:49 GMT -5
|
|
|
Post by uz on Jun 19, 2011 14:23:59 GMT -5
Someone told me that guy had to eat a human hand in order to be trusted to be told "mystical" and ancient knowledge.
|
|
|
Post by SKORIC on Jun 19, 2011 14:30:31 GMT -5
yep he says that in there, he said to the shamans he was willing to do anything to learn the secret knowledge so they challenged him to do that to see how serious he was.
|
|
|
Post by uz on Jun 19, 2011 14:37:08 GMT -5
To be honest I seen most of what Icke and his people have to say. I don't know what to make of it.
Logically speaking tho; If it were to be true (the whole reptilian elite theory), than everything about this world we live in and it's history all makes sense.
|
|
|
Post by SKORIC on Jun 21, 2011 11:40:02 GMT -5
|
|