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Post by Emperor AAdmin on Dec 28, 2007 20:57:49 GMT -5
reposting ------------- Stankoisaserb (7/23/07 7:50 am) New Post: UFO'S do exist !! (proven documentary)link__________________ AAdmin: Subject, existence of non-earth bound life entities and their possible impact upon us in case of their existence. Could their potential existence have guided us in our scientific efforts and even intellectually diluted our primitive and illiterate ancestors with so called religions by using their superior scientific means as means of mass mind control ( related link). I remember reading that in case there would be a civilization more advanced their ours and if they could visit us (taking the sheer cosmological distances between earth and closest earth like planets in other galaxies into account) that their technology would VASTLY SUPERSEDE ours by practically millions of years and the comparison between us would be as valid as making technological and mental comparison between ants (read humans in this case) and humans (read aliens in this case). State your opinions even if you disbelieve (I for one can not be certain as I could not possibly have access to such information as whether there are such life entities or not while on the other hand I realize the human intellectual limitations could easily effectively make us blind from seeing certain realities just as what prominent relevant scientist Michio stated that an ant would not be aware that it was standing in middle of a human made superhighway)( Related )( related2)( related3) PS: Also try not posting any balkanoid sigs here as they would appear laughable in such topics as this one as such topics transcend such trivialities as balkan localisms.
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Post by Emperor AAdmin on Dec 28, 2007 20:59:19 GMT -5
Mainstream Scientist Believes in Extraterrestrials
Extraterrestrial Scientist Michio Kaku
Mar.14.2007 James Bond Digital Camera at ThinkGeek
Dr. Michio Kaku (born in the United States) is a Japanese American theoretical physicist, tenured professor, and co-founder of string field theory, a branch of super-string theory.
While it is the belief by many that mainstream scientists reject any notions of extraterrestrial civilizations or aliens, Kaku is very unique. Not only does he believe in ETs, he also lays down a framework for their existence in his numerous books.
The probability is very high that not only do a few alien civilizations exist, but many. Kaku in his book Hyperspace compares humans as fish in a pond, only aware of the environment around them, not realizing there is a huge world outside the pond. In an article at his website Kaku had this to say in regards to Carl Sagan, another believer in alien civilizations: The late Carl Sagan once asked this question, “What does it mean for a civilization to be a million years old? We have had radio telescopes and spaceships for a few decades; our technical civilization is a few hundred years old… an advanced civilization millions of years old is as much beyond us as we are beyond a bush baby or a macaque.”
This answers the question that many debunkers have raised for years. For years they have asked why aliens don’t just announce their presence, or land in Times Square.
The reason that they will not do this is because if you are dealing with beings that are tens of thousands of years ahead of us, even millions, they would not be interested in us. Are you interested in an ant while you walk down the street?
Would you try to explain to a dog how to perform a complex equation? Most likely you would not, because a dog would not be capable of comprehending it. Now imagine an advanced civilization that are thousands of years ahead of us. See my point?
Kaku lays down a framework of levels of civilizations. Type 1, Type 2, and Type 3. Here are the descriptions of a civilization at these three levels.
Physics of Type I, II, and III Civilizations
Specifically, we can rank civilizations by their energy consumption, using the following principles:
1) The laws of thermodynamics. Even an advanced civilization is bound by the laws of thermodynamics, especially the Second Law, and can hence be ranked by the energy at their disposal.
2) The laws of stable matter. Baryonic matter (e.g. based on protons and neutrons) tends to clump into three large groupings: planets, stars and galaxies. (This is a well-defined by product of stellar and galactic evolution, thermonuclear fusion, etc.) Thus, their energy will also be based on three distinct types, and this places upper limits on their rate of energy consumption.
3) The laws of planetary evolution. Any advanced civilization must grow in energy consumption faster than the frequency of life-threatening catastrophes (e.g. meteor impacts, ice ages, supernovas, etc.). If they grow any slower, they are doomed to extinction. This places mathematical lower limits on the rate of growth of these civilizations.
Kaku defines a Type 1 civilization as one that is truly a planetary society, who has mastered all forms of terrestrial energy. Their energy output is much greater than ours. It would take at least 3,200 years to reach Type 2.
A Type 2 civilization is a civilization who have an energy output of a small star. They would be so advanced that they could build a sphere around their planet to maximize their energy output.
A Type 3 civilization is so advanced that they have begun colonizing other star systems. Their energy output is massive compared to ours. A civilization this advanced would be able to bend space and time at will. They would probably be capable of interdimensional travel and even time travel.
So where are we here on planet Earth? Well, we are Type 0. We still get our energy from dead plants. Pretty pathetic, if you ask me. I could only imagine what an advanced alien civilizations thinks of us. With our racism, wars, and class struggles we will be luck if we ever get to a Type 1. At the current rate, in my opinion the human race is headed toward extinction.
ufo.whipnet.org/xdocs/michio.kaku/index.html
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Post by Emperor AAdmin on Dec 28, 2007 21:01:06 GMT -5
Anthologic (7/24/07 8:34 am) Re: UFO'S DO EXIST!! (PROVEN DOCUMENTARY) there was a scientist that said all intelligent beings will be evolved from predators. because if you think about a rabbit getting chased by a fox; all the rabbit has to know is when to dart away, but the fox has to use cunning and trickery to catch the rabbit. BAM, proof we will be getting invaded. Here is the scale Michio borrowed, it's the "Kardashev Scale"; en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kardashev_scale
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Post by Emperor AAdmin on Dec 28, 2007 21:02:08 GMT -5
So where are we here on planet Earth? Well, we are Type 0. We still get our energy from dead plants. Pretty pathetic, if you ask me. I could only imagine what an advanced alien civilizations thinks of us. With our racism, wars, and class struggles we will be luck if we ever get to a Type 1. At the current rate, in my opinion the human race is headed toward extinction. Humans are intellectually speaking just a millimeter ahead away from their genetically close cousins (genetically almost twins!!) chimps and far from any real genuine intellectual capacity (fact that numerous religious extremists still exist in scientific era still attests to that or the fact that the wars exist - highly reminiscent behavior patterns to the psychotic chimp cousins who wage attacks on other chimp 'villages'). Arrogant, self-important talking monkeys capable of memorizing data that confuses memory banks for intellect. Traces of genuine intellect to be found in brilliant minds such as Plato, Aristotle, Tesla, Avicenna and co. which are intellectually light years from rest of the chimp cousins. Perhaps early traces of a specific upcoming human mutation (keyword: intellectual upgrade from the pack) or could they be altered by something else , something un-apelike in origin. Raise a question such as what would civilization or rather how long would it take for a civilization to recreate itself if it all went down today. Demise of civilization as we know it. Imagine a handful (say several 100,000s globally) of survivors are around and all the data is lost. For how long would upcoming stone age exist and why would it take so long? Will the brake occur as sudden as we are historically aware (from caves to pyramids) or will there be an interference as it likely occurred already. Questions, questions.
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Post by Emperor AAdmin on Dec 28, 2007 21:03:50 GMT -5
Anittas (7/24/07 8:42 am)
Re: UFO'S do exist !! (proven documentary)
Yes, Unidentified Flying Objects exist.
Except that we can't communicate with ants, whereas they could communicate with us.
Most scientist believe that universe holds life other than that on our planet; the question is if it holds intelligent life up to our standard, or higher.
I wasn't being emotional, until you made that disclaimer. Now I am being emotional. I have the emotion of being irritated by your belief that we could hold emotions on a such obscure topic. Why the hell would we have emotions on this? We're not those kind of people who have been visited by aliens or who most believe in something, and so we choose to believe in conspiracy theories.
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Post by Emperor AAdmin on Dec 28, 2007 21:05:06 GMT -5
AAdmin (7/24/07 8:51 am) Re: UFO'S DO EXIST!! (PROVEN DOCUMENTARY)Quote:I wasn't being emotional, until you made that disclaimer. Now I am being emotional. I have the emotion of being irritated by your belief that we could hold emotions on a such obscure topic. Why the hell would we have emotions on this? We're not those kind of people who have been visited by aliens or who most believe in something, and so we choose to believe in conspiracy theories. I wanted to state that emotionally based statements have no place here (example statements derived from a religious perspective being that religion is generally derived from faith or another word for emotion) and that I do not want to pollute this topic with child-like statements. I stated this as I know that many humans (especially younger ones) often view reality through emotional prism and see it as generally accurate depiction and thus a firm basis for a well reasoned argument (perhaps another connection to noticeably psychotic behavior from chimp cousins just like screaming). Now enough of this and back to the topic at hand.
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Post by Emperor AAdmin on Dec 28, 2007 21:08:55 GMT -5
Boz429 (7/25/07 5:43 pm) Re: UFO'S do exist !! (proven documentary)UFO in Sarajevo ;D ;Dl I do believe that aliens exist, but I am not so sure that they have visited Earth yet. As the above interview Aadmin posted illustrates, for aliens to even be able to travel to our planet they would have to be millions of years ahead of us. But how could they have evolved so much faster then us when the universe was formed at once. What circumstances in the evolution of an alien race would lead them to become a "Type III" civilization while we are still at Type 0? I believe Earth is ideal for life, we have scanned other planets for light years beyond our solar system and have yet to find another planet like Earth. Thus it would lead me to believe that since everything on Earth seems to be ideal for intelligent life to thrive and the planets which we can reach with our telescopes do not posses those qualities, we are as advanced as is to be expected. Of course there are a lot of things out there beyond our comprehension and it would be a sad universe indeed if we are the most advanced civilization in it. cheero (7/25/07 11:48 pm)
Re: UFO'S do exist !! (proven documentary)
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Post by Emperor AAdmin on Dec 28, 2007 21:10:37 GMT -5
KickBone(7/26/07 5:32 am) Re: UFO'S do exist !! (proven documentary)Quote:I believe Earth is ideal for life, we have scanned other planets for light years beyond our solar system and have yet to find another planet like Earth. Thus it would lead me to believe that since everything on Earth seems to be ideal for intelligent life to thrive and the planets which we can reach with our telescopes do not posses those qualities, we are as advanced as is to be expected. With the technology we have right now we were able to find maybe somewhere around 20 other planets in other star systems which aren't really that far away in cosmic terms. Only one of them appears to be earth like in a sense that it isn't a gas giant like most planets that were discovered and I believe that discovery was made a few months ago by European space agency. Now if we have found about 20 planets in about 50-60 solar systems out of 300-400 billion solar systems in our galaxy that doesn't mean that there are no other earth like planets. Having said that I am also a skeptic when it comes to UFOs visiting us. However I do believe that there is life on other planets, and if there is life even on 1 out of 1 million planets there is a good chance that some of it might be intelligent and advanced like us.
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Post by Emperor AAdmin on Dec 28, 2007 21:15:36 GMT -5
Rhezus(7/27/07 12:46 am) Re: UFO'S DO EXIST!! (PROVEN DOCUMENTARY) We know too little about all that. We could only make some speculations - that's all. Universum is huge and there's definately more intelligent life than just us. Imagine 200 bilion solar systems in the Milky Way. And what scientist say (that it can be seen today), there are 200-300 bilions galaxes like Milky Way. I don't even think we are alone on Earth. The problem is - we can't solve our problems.. We are created with shortcomings/defections and that's made in purpose. The one/ones who created life wanted it to be that way. Life on Earth is controlled by other intelligence and we are just part of the experiment. --------- JannissaryofByzantium(7/27/07 7:44 am) Re: UFO'S do exist !! (proven documentary)It is very possible that we are not alone in this universe, and I am sure there are plenty of advanced civilizations and life forms compared to ours. --------- Yahac (7/28/07 4:34 am) Re: UFO'S do exist !! (proven documentary)It is possible that there some extraterrestial life. But anyway the life on Earth still sucks. Why do we need another trouble. Let them Martians alone. And let's solve our problems, first... And you think if the hamster thinks about the human designing its experiment that can change his life. If we are under experiment there is no way you escape it. So then why bother... ---------- Rhezus(7/28/07 2:56 pm) Re: UFO'S do exist !! (proven documentary)But nothing wrong if keeping in mind.. Life and Universe is such an enigma, amazing most of the ppl.
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Post by Emperor AAdmin on Dec 28, 2007 21:19:46 GMT -5
Dijedon(8/1/07 4:26 pm) Re: UFO'S do exist !! (proven documentary)Personally, I believe that there is extra terrestrial life somewhere in the Universe. Being that space is so vast, and that there are 200-400 billion stars just in the Milky Way (let alone all galaxies combined) and probably as many planets, the odds that there's no life in the Universe besides earth decreases in my eyes significantly. The question is whether these hypothetical organisms are intelligent or not. Quote:I do believe that aliens exist, but I am not so sure that they have visited Earth yet. As the above interview Aadmin posted illustrates, for aliens to even be able to travel to our planet they would have to be millions of years ahead of us. But how could they have evolved so much faster then us when the universe was formed at once. What circumstances in the evolution of an alien race would lead them to become a "Type III" civilization while we are still at Type 0? I don't think that a superior alien race is so hard to imagine. While you bring forward a good point, one needs only to look at Earth's various cultures to realize that equal groups, even when given the same amount of time, develop at very different speeds in relation to one another. Thus, while people in certain parts of the earth still live as people have done for thousands of yrs, namely as hunter-gatherer nomads who are fully dependant on nature, you have advanced and industrialized socities that are light yrs ahead. The biggest scientific breakthroughs and development in human history occurred the last century, despite that the modern human has lived for about 200,000 yrs. When you have that breakthrough, everything rolls at a higher speed. Maybe an alien culture had that breakthrough long before us ... maybe their planet wasn't affected in the same way as ours, where the dinosaurs were exterminated. Maybe they simply came to existence as a species before us. Millions of yrs in a universal context isn't that much. And while earth has existed in 4,6 milliard yrs, the emerging of intelligent life is only a recent phenomenon.
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