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Post by Trazi Vise on Nov 26, 2007 11:39:24 GMT -5
No clear winner in Croatia electionNovember 26, 2007 - 7:14PM Croatia's tightly contested national election gave no clear winner, with the ruling conservative HDZ taking most seats but without an outright majority, according to preliminary results. The results, based on 95 per cent of all votes, gave Prime Minister Ivo Sanader's Croatian Democratic Union (HDZ) 60 seats, while the Social Democrats (SDP) had 57 seats. www.theage.com.au/news/Word/No-clear-winner-in-Croatia-election/2007/11/26/1196036806162.htmll ***From our friends at the BBC*** Close finish in Croatia electionCroatian PM Ivo Sanader (L) Photograph AP/Social Democrat leader Zoran Milanovic (R) Photograph AFP Both main parties claimed victory in the election Croatia's ruling conservative party, the Croatian Democratic Union (HDZ), has a narrow lead with most votes counted after the general election. The electoral commission said the HDZ would have 61 MPs - five more than the opposition Social Democrat Party (SDP). Both parties said they had begun talks with potential coalition partners to secure the parliamentary majority of 77 seats necessary to govern. President Stipe Mesic will later decide who has the best chance of governing. Both parties are committed to completing Croatia's entry into the European Union, which they hope to achieve by 2010, although the EU has warned them to do more to tackle corruption. Diaspora vote According to preliminary election results based on 96% of the ballots counted, the Croatian State Election Commission said the HDZ was in the lead with 34.78% of the vote. news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/7113108.stm However a Dutch newservice had already called the election as HDZ, the victors. Which smaller parties will they form a coalition with? Is this a step forward or a step back?
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Post by MiG on Nov 28, 2007 16:36:07 GMT -5
Croatia starts coalition talks27.11.2007 - 09:36 CET | By Elitsa Vucheva Coalition talks are on the way to form a government in Croatia, after the ruling conservative HDZ party and the opposition centre-left SDP came in neck-and-neck in Sunday's (25 November) parliamentary elections. Source: euobserver.com/15/25223It will be interesting to see how the next elections develop. Very interesting indeed.
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Post by Trazi Vise on Nov 28, 2007 21:22:41 GMT -5
It's time for sucking up a little to scrape a few more seats under their belt!
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Post by MiG on Nov 30, 2007 12:15:49 GMT -5
^ I hope the HDZ doesn't take majority. That bunch of conservatives shouldn't be running that country. Economically they ruined the place from 1990-2000, and corruption grew. Yes they were the party to give Croatia independance, but they aren't for running the Croatia we have today. I vote SDP .
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Post by Trazi Vise on Nov 30, 2007 23:55:35 GMT -5
But SDP are also a bunch of communists who will keep the economy still.
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Post by MiG on Dec 2, 2007 17:07:02 GMT -5
^ SDP did more for the economy than HDZ did. But then it's all down to who runs the party, and some our polititians that come to power aren't the best bunch of braniacs.
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Post by Zvone on Dec 2, 2007 20:59:19 GMT -5
SDP are proponents of social democarcy, they are NOT communists. Social democarcy includes capitalism but addresses sectors, such as the poor, which capitalism does not. Sweden is a prime example. Sweden has produced a strong economy from sole proprietorships up through to multinationals while maintaining one of the longest life expectancies in the world, low unemployment, inflation, infant mortality, national debt, and cost of living, all while registering sizable economic growth. Social democracy is the right direction, hence, SDP is the right choice.
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Post by MiG on Dec 2, 2007 21:20:52 GMT -5
^ Good man.
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Post by Emperor AAdmin on Dec 2, 2007 22:41:28 GMT -5
Just about entire western Europe, Canada and Australia are social democratic states. Only US remains as purely capitalist (capitalism=society centered around capital rather then people) industrialized state with capitalist class in firm control (although democrats have practically turned social-democrat (social=people friendly) in policies while still serving capitalist lobbies at the same time).
Social-Democracy (many western Europeans just call it socialism while former soviet sphere of states are called communist rather then socialist) engulfs some of the most successful (socially/economically) states in the world. It managed to combine most logical aspects from capitalism (permitting free enterprise as long as it doesn't turn to huge monopolies and as long as it doesn't control most vital economical elements of a given country) and so called communist/soviet/socialist states (more concern with populace such as with financially more approachable healthcare, education, transportation and other human necessities as well as more worker protections).
Social Democracy appears to be prevailing and becoming the future.
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Post by Zvone on Dec 3, 2007 0:02:27 GMT -5
No, US does not follow pure capitalism. US has government agencies such as FTC and FDA that intervene in the economy. However, they are probably the closest to it. Most countries have mixed economies. There is no extreme in either spectrum.
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Post by Emperor AAdmin on Dec 3, 2007 0:46:17 GMT -5
I meant more pure as when compared with the rest of the world then in the actual meaning of the world pure capitalism. The actual pure capitalism (such as it was in the 19 century for example when workers worked practically every day, 12+ hours a day and without any rights) is now long gone, thank goodness.
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Post by MiG on Dec 3, 2007 1:04:39 GMT -5
^ Social Democracy and the people who truly represent it know what's right for the people, and that is what most of the world needs.
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Post by Trazi Vise on Dec 3, 2007 1:17:44 GMT -5
I agree with you there, but I see that the people who should really be in politics back home are not. The good people don't want to mix with the existing politicians and the result is having to put up with the corrupt ones we have. It's a shame; but time will tell if Croatia can get it's act together.
I agree with the social democracy point; but Croatia's idea of this can't be compared to thoose of other advanced European nations. At then end of the day it won't matter what model we have when we will eventually be run by Europe just as other's have run us before time and time again. That is not democracy.
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Post by MiG on Dec 3, 2007 1:35:05 GMT -5
^ Well right about now we have no other option but to let Europe run us. Until we are stable and strong enough to stand on our own two feet, and until we get our shit together, we have to be a good listener. Listening got people far, talking and acting like the tough kid on the block, didn't. Croatia is taking the right path so far. Let's hope it does so for a long time.
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Post by Trazi Vise on Dec 3, 2007 3:21:15 GMT -5
^^ I don't agree. We have always "listened" to outsiders. It's time we listened to ourselves and did what is best for us.
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Post by Zvone on Dec 3, 2007 15:46:45 GMT -5
I see aadmin. There is a lot of bad things that happened at the dawn of capitalism, but it did end the slave trade.
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Post by MiG on Dec 3, 2007 17:42:23 GMT -5
We are, but we're not a superpower to ignore anyone, in any way we please. We are in a very important place in this world, and it is imperative that we take it steady. Eventually, we will come out of this, and be "our own man" (which is not that far away), but until then, we have to take it steady.
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Post by Trazi Vise on Dec 4, 2007 5:21:07 GMT -5
I really want to agree with you 100%, but I just can't! But I do see the sense in "Easy does it" as a basis for Croatia's ongoing prosperity.
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Post by Zvone on Dec 4, 2007 14:19:27 GMT -5
Foreign Policy 101 is kissing ass, sucking d*ck, and taking it where it hurts the most. Learn it, love it, do it.
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Post by MiG on Dec 4, 2007 16:56:21 GMT -5
^ Bingo.
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