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Post by Toskaliku on Jun 11, 2008 14:38:15 GMT -5
No...
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Post by Duke John on Jun 11, 2008 14:40:26 GMT -5
Tsobanos! i have replyed to your post! go to page 4!
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Post by whatever on Jun 11, 2008 14:42:29 GMT -5
lol Has anyone considered this:
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Post by donnie on Jun 11, 2008 14:43:58 GMT -5
The portuguese and Irish are also very similiar genetically ... yet you don't see too many Portuguese people passing for an Irishman.
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Post by tsompanos on Jun 11, 2008 14:46:58 GMT -5
Luma im half pontian half thracian why cant you discuss european history with me?
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Post by greek1234 on Jun 11, 2008 14:56:39 GMT -5
The portuguese and Irish are also very similiar genetically ... yet you don't see too many Portuguese people passing for an Irishman. If we are so closely related, then why do we then fight with each other?
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Post by tsompanos on Jun 11, 2008 15:02:28 GMT -5
We aint closely related greeks outclass albania in everyway albania is a shithole while greece is a paradise
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Post by greek1234 on Jun 11, 2008 15:09:09 GMT -5
Yeh good reply You do have a point.
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Post by Toskaliku on Jun 11, 2008 15:10:44 GMT -5
Maybe for thee high paying tourists, but from what I have read of Greece, its far from being a paradise for the average Greek.
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Post by captainalbania on Jun 12, 2008 0:06:07 GMT -5
I've been to Greece, its pretty nice.
But more importantly i'd like to end the thread very nicely by saying the following.
True Greeks are white.
example: -Kastorianos -Kanaris
Some Greeks are not white but are accepted as Greek. -Patrinos
Eva is an instigator. She only opened up this topic to inflame all the Albanians here because she knew that seeing a mulatto with an Albanian mom would rile everyone up. Guess what it worked.
Racemixing is bad. Especially for a country that only has 3 million people and is a small minority in the world and could easily lose it's culture due to miscegenation.
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Post by Emperor AAdmin on Jun 12, 2008 0:08:36 GMT -5
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Post by Arxileas on Jun 12, 2008 7:11:20 GMT -5
TurkAlbanians...
The Treaty of San Stefano
The Treaty of San Stefano triggered profound anxiety among the Albanians meanwhile, and it spurred their leaders to organize a defense of the lands they inhabited. In the spring of 1878, influential Albanians in Constantinople--including Abdyl Frasheri, the Albanian national movement's leading figure during its early years--organized a secret committee to direct the Albanians' resistance.
In May the group called for a general meeting of representatives from all the Albanian-populated lands. On June 10, 1878, about eighty delegates, mostly Muslim religious leaders, clan chiefs, and other influential people from the four Albanian-populated Ottoman vilayets, met in the Kosovo town of Prizren. The delegates set up a standing organization, the Prizren League, under the direction of a central committee that had the power to impose taxes and raise an army.
The Prizren League worked to gain autonomy for the Albanians and to thwart implementation of the Treaty of San Stefano, but not to create an independent Albania.
At first the Ottoman authorities supported the Prizren League, but the Sublime Porte pressed the delegates to declare themselves to be first and foremost Ottomans rather than Albanians.
Some delegates supported this position and advocated emphasizing Muslim solidarity and the defense of Muslim lands, including present-day Bosnia and Hercegovina. Other representatives, under Frasheri's leadership, focused on working toward Albanian autonomy and creating a sense of Albanian identity that would cut across religious and tribal lines. Because conservative Muslims constituted a majority of the representatives, the Prizren League supported maintenance of Ottoman suzerainty.
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Post by Arxileas on Jun 12, 2008 7:15:35 GMT -5
878 League of Prizren
During the period 1876 to 1912, the approximately 150,000 Orthodox Serbs were ethnically cleansed or driven out of the Kosovo vilayet. During this period, Serbian Orthodox were murdered, their property was plundered, Orthodox churches and monasteries and cemeteries were desecrated and vandalized, Serbian women and girls were raped and kidnapped, and Serbian property was looted and robbed, a systematic and planned policy to create an ethnically pure Greater Albania.
The members of the Prizren League were beys and agas, wealthy and privileged landowners who sought to maintain those privileges and status within the Ottoman feudal system. They opposed a multi-ethnic policy of ethnic tolerance and were anti-Serbian and anti-Slavic, anti-reformist, and anti-democratic.
Many of the "Albanian lands" they claimed for "Greater Albania" or "Ethnic Albania" had never been a part of Albania and many parts of the territory were not majority Albanian areas. Indeed, before 1912, Albania or Shqiperia, had never existed as a nation or state. Albanians, or Shqiptars, themselves were divided into the Ghegs and the Tosks who did not speak an identical language, but different dialects of Shqip.
The aims of the Greater Albania ideology are territorial expansion at the expense of neighboring sovereign nations and states. Greater Albania is not a movement of national independence, in other words, but a shifting of borders. Albanians have a national homeland or national state, Albania or Shqiperia, established in 1912.
What the Greater Albania strategy seeks to do, however, is to change internationally recognized and thus legal borders. Ipso facto the Greater Albania strategy is illegal and violates all international laws, agreements, and covenants. The Greater Albania ideology is, then, illegal, militant, aggressive, and, most significantly, requires outside foreign intervention to succeed, requires the intervention of a Great Power or Superpower, Ottoman Turkey,
Austria-Hungary, Italy, Germany, or the United States. All of the above-mentioned foreign powers have in turn supported and sponsored a Greater Albania. The pattern, and the lesson for us, is clear. Foreign military and political intervention is crucial in the Greater Albania ideology. The 1878 Prizren League grasped this completely.
Their expansionist and nationalist agenda required Turkish support. Without that support, Greater Albania would fail.
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Post by Duke John on Jun 12, 2008 7:19:49 GMT -5
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Post by Arxileas on Jun 12, 2008 7:31:47 GMT -5
So ? It is true even your beloved Albanian . com agrees. www.albanian.com/community/vbl/showthread.php?t=18624The League of Prizren (Albanian: Lidhja e Prizrenit) was an Albanian political organization founded on June 10, 1878 in Prizren, Vilayet of Kosovo, Ottoman Empire. It aimed at defending the Albanian-inhabited lands from being annexed by Slavic countries in the Balkans and sought autonomy for Albania under the Ottoman Empire.And. Treaty of San Stefano The Preliminary Treaty of San Stefano was a treaty between Russia and the Ottoman Empire signed at the end of the Russo-Turkish War, 1877–78. It was signed on March 3, 1878 at San Stefano (Greek: 'Αγιος Στέφανος, Agios Stefanos, now Yeşilköy), a village west of Istanbul, by Count Nicholas Pavlovich Ignatiev and Alexander Nelidov on behalf of the Russian Empire and Foreign Minister Safvet Pasha and Ambassador to Germany Sadullah Bey on behalf of the Ottoman Empire. You were founded by the Ottomans.
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Post by Duke John on Jun 12, 2008 7:39:42 GMT -5
Yea we were found in balkans when ottomans entered,my forefathers resisted ottomans for 24 years,my people was respected buy ottomans and were untouchable,my forefathers were enjoying the respect while your people were raped buy asiatic turks,my forefathers rulled their own lands with respect while you were slaves,my forefathers were respected warriors and at the end they got rid of turks,now we are proud of everything that we are,and you are bitter ex slaves!
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Post by greek1234 on Jun 12, 2008 7:44:14 GMT -5
Yea we were found in balkans when ottomans entered,my forefathers resisted ottomans for 24 years,my people was respected buy ottomans and were untouchable,my forefathers were enjoying the respect while your people were raped buy asiatic turks,my forefathers rulled their own lands with respect while you were slaves,my forefathers were respected warriors and at the end they got rid of turks,now we are proud of everything that we are,and you are bitter ex slaves! You fool under the millet system Muslims where allowed to get married, while Christians where not allowed to marry Muslims. 70 Percent of modern Albanians are Muslims, while all Greeks are Christians.
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Post by Arxileas on Jun 12, 2008 7:47:44 GMT -5
my people was respected buy ottomans and were untouchable,my forefathers were enjoying the respect [/u][/quote] Because you are TurkAlbanians. You aided and a betted with them also killed many Arvanites and Greek Soulites. Now you know why Arvanites hate you... .
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Post by Duke John on Jun 12, 2008 7:49:42 GMT -5
Yea we were found in balkans when ottomans entered,my forefathers resisted ottomans for 24 years,my people was respected buy ottomans and were untouchable,my forefathers were enjoying the respect while your people were raped buy asiatic turks,my forefathers rulled their own lands with respect while you were slaves,my forefathers were respected warriors and at the end they got rid of turks,now we are proud of everything that we are,and you are bitter ex slaves! You fool under the millet system Muslims where allowed to get married, while Christians where not allowed to marry Muslims. 70 Percent of modern Albanians are Muslims, while all Greeks are Christians. You talk something you have no idea! ok lets say what you say is right,still albanians marryed with eachothers,there was no turkish colonization in albanian lands,there was no need for that,my forefathers rulled their land buy their selfs while your lands were rulled buy anatolian turks! I wish some turk explains from their point of view how things went!
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Post by Duke John on Jun 12, 2008 7:50:48 GMT -5
No beacuse we are just simply Albanians!
You can say whatever you want, and about the Arvanites hating us,let them hate i really dont even care,i respect Arvanites that are proud of their origins but the arvanites that you describe are nothing more than a greeks to me.
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