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Post by rex362 on Nov 23, 2010 18:23:38 GMT -5
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Post by ushtari on Jan 29, 2011 18:03:25 GMT -5
Judging my majority of historians/linguists who are familiar with the subject, Albanians are most probably descendents of illyrians.
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Post by la3ar on Jan 29, 2011 18:37:19 GMT -5
Judging my majority of historians/linguists who are familiar with the subject, Albanians are most probably descendents of illyrians. This is not true. Most historians and archeologists claim otherwise. It is the Albanian nationalists who try to connect themsevles with it.
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Post by ushtari on Jan 29, 2011 18:40:09 GMT -5
This is not true. Most historians and archeologists claim otherwise. It is the Albanian nationalists who try to connect themsevles with it. No, most historians/linguist do indeed agree that Albanian is most probably developed from Illyrian. You say they claim "otherwise", well enlight me, what do they claim? Can you provide me a serious source wich claim Albanian have its origin outside of Balkan?
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Post by la3ar on Jan 29, 2011 18:47:26 GMT -5
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Post by ushtari on Jan 29, 2011 18:50:15 GMT -5
Your point being what exactly? you can not escape from the fact that the Albanian language developed from a paleobalkan language.
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Post by la3ar on Jan 29, 2011 18:52:02 GMT -5
Your point being what exactly? you can not escape from the fact that the Albanian language developed from a paleoba lkan language. Your observation on "language" connection has nothing to do with Albanians, being Illyrians. Where did the term Albanian come from then, why not remain Illyrians?
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Post by ushtari on Jan 29, 2011 18:56:20 GMT -5
Your point being what exactly? you can not escape from the fact that the Albanian language developed from a paleoba lkan language. Your observation on "language" connection has nothing to do with Albanians, being Illyrians. Where did the term Albanian come from then, why not remain Illyrians? "Not long after these barbarian invaders swept through the Balkans, the Slavs appeared. Between the 6th and 8th centuries they settled in Illyrian territories and proceeded to assimilate Illyrian tribes in much of what is now Slovenia, Croatia, Bosnia and Herzegovina, and Serbia. The tribes of southern Illyria, however--including modern Albania--averted assimilation and preserved their native tongue." "In the course of several centuries, under the impact of Roman, Byzantine, and Slavic cultures, the tribes of southern Illyria underwent a transformation, and a transition occurred from the old Illyrian population to a new Albanian one." As a consequence, from the 8th to the 11th century, the name Illyria gradually gave way to the name, first mentioned in the 2nd century AD by the geographer Ptolemy of Alexandria, of the Albanoi tribe, which inhabited what is now central Albania. From a single tribe the name spread to include the rest of the country as Arbri and, finally, Albania. The genesis of Albanian nationality apparently occurred at this time as the Albanian people became aware that they shared a common territory, name, language, and cultural heritage." pbosnia.kentlaw.edu/resources/history/albania/albhist.htmwww.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/12472/Albania/129453/History?anchor=ref476150
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Post by la3ar on Jan 29, 2011 20:01:03 GMT -5
Dont be so closed minded.
Follow the sources, to see where they lead.
BTW; ushtari
The pro-bosnian/alb-kosovo perspective was laughable.
Your britanica source is fully based on territorial hisotry, by default connection those who reside ther today.
The bottom line is.... Albanians are mostly connected to the greeks and macedons, over centuries the illyrians have disapeared. In fact, it is claimed that mostly slavic tribes are connected to Illyria, in which i beleive is false.
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Post by ushtari on Jan 29, 2011 20:03:20 GMT -5
Dont be so closed minded. Follow the sources, to see where they lead. What is wrong with my source?
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Post by la3ar on Jan 29, 2011 20:12:48 GMT -5
that was the response to shejtani.
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Post by rex362 on Mar 12, 2012 17:25:42 GMT -5
albs native Illirians???.....Darn toot'n we are ...from Pelasgian/etruscan to Illyrian to Arvanitis in greece to modern day .....you bet ur azz all nonbelievers/dontwannabelievers .......drink vinegar
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Post by uz on Mar 12, 2012 18:05:44 GMT -5
^ Happy birthday Rex!, I just noticed it says so on the homepage.
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Post by rex362 on Mar 22, 2012 12:12:26 GMT -5
^ Happy birthday Rex!, I just noticed it says so on the homepage. thanks
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Post by rex362 on Apr 12, 2012 18:32:55 GMT -5
"Pre slav"
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Post by as on Apr 13, 2012 6:22:30 GMT -5
yes yes balkans are all albanian, even ancient greeks
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