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Post by meltdown711 on Dec 3, 2007 20:42:29 GMT -5
Its not about an unfavorable response. I just brought out quotations from respected sources and your countered by saying "not true", if you really had something to say, you would argue with sources. Nevertheless, you went on this whole "traitor" business. Something that had absolutely nothing to do with the topic.
To you Greeks. Albanian Christians see him as a hero as well.
But again, its not about what you regard him as, but what his accomplishments say of him.
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Post by meltdown711 on Dec 4, 2007 13:25:18 GMT -5
Canaris... the Ottomans did not exist in 1100... lol
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Post by rex362 on Dec 4, 2007 14:30:00 GMT -5
imo ...even though he wont publicly admit it ...Canaris would rather be on a long boat ride with an Albania than a Serbian ...bet on it And he also is for a free and prosperous Balkans which means he is for a Free Kosova as well ... and I have proof that he doesn't exactly hate Albanians ...he just likes to be argumentative with us at times....he says it keeps him feeling young and does wonders for his cholesterol levels me and Canaris in front ...(dont ever let a Greek walk behind you) ...........Canaris ...now give me that 20 bux you promised me .... also you can add an extra $10 and I will EXALT you all day long til you get to neutral ;D
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Post by donnie on Dec 4, 2007 15:06:48 GMT -5
Canaris
Being an administrator, it is reasonable to expect more from you. Yet now, you're not acting any better than a simple instigator. You're just an articulate ahristos with a better English.
If you want to falsely accuse us of having exterminated the populations of Psara and Chios, you're welcome to gather facts and arguments in a separate thread. Leave this one alone. Ali pasha Tepelena had nothing to do with Psara or Chios and what ensued there during the 1820s. Neither did Muhammed Ali pasha or any other of the personalities we've mentioned here.
Secondly, your "opinions" on Ali pasha or the alleged time we entered the Balkans is of no relevance unless you have facts to base what you say on. Your mere opinions means sh*t to us, since your credibility in the field of history is not admirable to say the least.
So, as I've said earlier, don't p*ss on this thread. If you want to falsely accuse us here too, then it must be somehow relevant to Ali pasha Tepelena. Otherwise, create a separate thread. So, if you have some decency, delete the unrelated replies and open a new thread on what you have to say on Psara.
Falemnderit. Thanks. Euxaristo.
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Post by Kanaris on Dec 4, 2007 18:04:10 GMT -5
I am an administrator, not the goddamn pope.... so please don't use that as an excuse for me to keep my mouth shut... I will do as you wish Donnie..... mainly because I do have some respect for you...
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Post by donnie on Dec 5, 2007 12:12:25 GMT -5
I will do as you wish Donnie..... mainly because I do have some respect for you... Thanks Canaris.
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Post by fannoli on Dec 6, 2007 3:48:20 GMT -5
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Post by julius on May 8, 2008 21:55:08 GMT -5
Donnie and Toskali, I take my hat off to u guys. Great posts. Falem.
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Post by ILIRI I MADH on May 9, 2008 0:23:14 GMT -5
Ali Pasha Tepelena was half greek i think
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Post by Toskaliku on May 9, 2008 1:57:19 GMT -5
she and her daughter(Ali's sister) were raped on a number of occassions. Later on she kept hounding Ali to take revenge for what happened. 50 years later Ali did. Kardhiqiotet were gathered together and all 600 of them were massacred... however this happened after she died.
His wife was Greek however.
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Post by bordura on May 9, 2008 6:41:04 GMT -5
Hey donnie & toskali, thnx for the info and the time put on this thread. Very informative.
a small correction;
...by the Gardikiots and reported... the correct name of the above mentioned village it's Kardhiq. I've been there 2 times. The village it is build in a very strategic position on top of a very hight hill (almost a mountain). Curiously enough the one still can see ruins of a castle or some sort of fortification. Unfortunately this walls are badly damaged because time after time villagers have used stones from the walls in building their houses.
When at the top of the hill/castle a comanding view of the valley below is breathtaking.
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Post by bordura on May 9, 2008 6:43:42 GMT -5
donnie just noticet so had to come back to the thread; i'm jelous of your Karma sure enough your doing something right
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Post by donnie on May 9, 2008 7:06:06 GMT -5
I have read it as Gardhiq ... Kardhiq is probably the modern result of a phonetical shift. This because the toponym 'kardhiq' lacks a meaning from what I know. Whereas Gardhiq has as its root the word 'gardh' (fence) which sonds logical considering your description of its location; it being a protected area.
Por fati i keq i gardhiqiotëve nuk i la që pozita mbrojtëse e fshatit të tyre t'ja ndal hovin Ali Pashasë ...
Hahaha, just annoy the Serbs and you'll be reaching my level in no time.
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Post by Toskaliku on May 9, 2008 7:32:05 GMT -5
I didnt know it was the Gardhiq in Albania. The first time I searched the name I searched it how it was brought up in the book and it gave me a village with that name deep in Greece....
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Post by bordura on May 9, 2008 8:13:54 GMT -5
I didnt know it was the Gardhiq in Albania.
Yep it is near Gjirokaster, next village Kardhiq it is called Gurbardh.
Yeah donnie you might be wright about the name's root, but the fact is in today's Albania people from this village and the rest use the form Kardhiq. Officially also it is Kardhiq.
I remember from my trip in Kardhiq asking old people in the village about Ali's revenge. Their passed down memories were in fact traumatic to what Ali did to revenge. They say that he (not personally) knifed, threw alive in fire and skewed all man over 9 year old from the village.
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Post by bordura on May 9, 2008 8:24:10 GMT -5
opssss to correct myself; not Gurebardh but Fushebardh
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Post by jerryspringer on May 9, 2008 13:37:20 GMT -5
From the little that I read about Ali, he was a cruel and wicked man. And he opposed the union of Moldavia and Wallachia, to form Romania.
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Post by julius on May 9, 2008 13:41:41 GMT -5
If u remember guys, from 8 class school Albanian Literature a passage with a guy from Kardhiq who went to visit Ali at his home, and told him that he is from that place and was saved being in the mountains as a pastor. ... a pearl is that very beautiful song "Janines ci pane syte".
Donnie, shifi nje cike labet te videoja. Tamam te krekosur. ;D That standing grace they have there and show, cant be found in any other place in whole Balkans.
About "lady" Frosini, the myth of hers is totally cr@p. They admit she was married, and also had Ali' son as lover. But was also "noble" and "honest" when it came to refuse Ali. If anyone can make any sense at all...
Kardhiq is near Gjirokaster with other villages among them the most known are Golem, Kolonja and Fushebardha as Bordura said.
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Post by epiroti on May 9, 2008 15:16:59 GMT -5
Thanks for the info guys.
I have read somewhere (can't recall where!) that when someone spoke to Ali about Machiavelli's book 'The Prince' (a true masterpiece in politics), he replied by saying that he didn't need anyone's advice in governing his land.
It's unbelieavable how much he achieved (and how close he got to even bigger things) without even having a formal education of any sort!
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Post by jerryspringer on May 10, 2008 4:58:40 GMT -5
What a moron.
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