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Post by Beach Police on Apr 17, 2008 20:33:49 GMT -5
Woman arrested in connection with Albanian murders Published: 17 Apr 08 18:01 CET www.thelocal.se/11184/20080417/A 44-year-old woman arrested in Borås on Wednesday is wanted in Albania for two murders and two cases of attempted murder, Borås Tidning reports. A judge in Albania has previously sentenced the woman to 25 years in jail for a series of crimes carried out in April 2002. She was found to have murdered two men in Bajram Curri to avenge her brother's death. The arrest took place after Albanian police received information that the woman could be staying with family members in the western Swedish town. Borås District Court is scheduled to examine the case on Friday. "In international cases the request has to be tried," prosecutor Peter Larsson told the TT news agency.
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Post by Pejoni on Apr 18, 2008 6:56:18 GMT -5
How is this Serbia's concern?
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Post by kasso on Apr 18, 2008 7:31:39 GMT -5
How is this Serbia's concern? Serbian Anti-Albanian propaganda.
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Post by Novus Dis on Apr 18, 2008 7:33:27 GMT -5
I wish I had a sister like that but then I’m not an Albanian so I don’t have to worry about being a victim of honour killings.
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Post by terroreign on Apr 18, 2008 9:49:11 GMT -5
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Post by radovic on Apr 18, 2008 10:02:27 GMT -5
^ It's relatively rare among Montenegrins/Serbs in Montenegro (just like how it is present in Italy, but at a very low level). Notice how almost every example listed is that of Muslims and Shiqptars.
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Post by terroreign on Apr 18, 2008 10:34:29 GMT -5
^^Last names like Zecevic and Nurkovic aren't muslim. Besides that theres another event which happened quite recently in Cetinje involving revenge-killing. arhiva.kurir-info.co.yu/Arhiva/2005/maj/23/H-02-23052005.shtmlPersonally my cousin in Berane has a good friend who just came out of jail for a revenge killing.
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Post by radovic on Apr 18, 2008 11:07:36 GMT -5
^^Last names like Zecevic and Nurkovic aren't muslim. Besides that theres another event which happened quite recently in Cetinje involving revenge-killing. arhiva.kurir-info.co.yu/Arhiva/2005/maj/23/H-02-23052005.shtmlPersonally my cousin in Berane has a good friend who just came out of jail for a revenge killing. Did you read the first article, well hear it mentioned the following names in relations to vendetta's: - Vladimir Vukoviæ (it also mentioned Predraga Vukoviæa, and a four unnamed brothers) - Aleksandru Kaluðeroviæu (the killer) - Rifat Hodžiæ (Muslim name) - Pjerim Ðoka (Rifat's killer, and a man from Albania) - Ardijan Šera (also rifat's killer, a man from an Albanian village in Montenegro and American citizen) - Rafeta Ramuševiæa (killed by Rifat, Muslim name) - Enver Zeèeviæ killed Sulejmana Dabecu because of his dad Jusufa (notice Muslim killed Albanian because of his Muslim dad) - Maraš LJuljðuraj (in Tuzi, again albanian) was killed by Albanians Paulin Bujaj and Gzim Naæaj for 11,000 dollars paid by Ðon Berišaj because Maraš killed his father and brother. This case involves 6 Albanians. - In 2002 Rahim Seferoviæ killed Sabra Nurkoviæa because Nurkoviæ and his cousins killed Rahims brother. Again, a case involving at least 3 Muslims. Notice how except for the first case the rest all involve Albanians and Muslims. Hence, your claim about Montenegrins is invalid.
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Post by terroreign on Apr 18, 2008 12:38:18 GMT -5
Add the other 2 from my second link you dum-dum
And second of all the muslims do not fall under some kind of other category, this isn't serbia, poturice or not they're montenegrins and follow our obicaje.
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Post by radovic on Apr 18, 2008 13:38:35 GMT -5
Add the other 2 from my second link you dum-dum And second of all the muslims do not fall under some kind of other category, this isn't serbia, poturice or not they're montenegrins and follow our obicaje. So add Drago Kaludjerevic and Ratko Markovic. Ok, don;t you realize it relates to the fist two names I mentioned. furthermore. This still proves vendetta's being rare among Montenegrins in Montenegro, especially when compared to Muslims and Albanians. In the last 20 years in Montenegro there have been what may be 30 or so deaths in Vendetta's. Majority by Muslims and Albanians. Last time I checked articles weren't being written of how thousands of Montenegrin live in hiding for fear of vendetta's, unlike Albanians.
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Post by terroreign on Apr 18, 2008 13:55:35 GMT -5
All together involved there are 4 Montenegrins, 4 Montenegrin muslims, and 5 albanians. I don't see much of a discrepancy.
That's because they're dead already, they don't run and hide like in albania.
Add to the fact that Albanians have a bigger population than montenegrins, something like 6 times our size...
Naturally there will be more cases happening due to the numbers of people
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Post by radovic on Apr 18, 2008 14:03:49 GMT -5
All together involved there are 4 Montenegrins, 4 Montenegrin muslims, and 5 albanians. I don't see much of a discrepancy. That's because they're dead already, they don't run and hide like in albania. Add to the fact that Albanians have a bigger population than montenegrins, something like 6 times our size... Naturally there will be more cases happening due to the numbers of people Vendetta's are rare among Montenegrins still. Notice how of all the cases only one involving two families involves Montenegrins, while the rest all involved Muslim and Albanian fmailies. This means the majority of people who die of vendetta's in Montenegro are non-Montenegrins. The Albanins and Muslims make up some 80% of Mendetta deaths yet combined they make up only 20% of the population. That means the practice of vendetta is non-existant among Montenegrins.
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Post by terroreign on Apr 18, 2008 22:38:28 GMT -5
Just from these incidents and including my knowledge of another vendetta in Berane, there have been 3 killings in the timespan of two years, 2004-2005 (The killing in Berane was in 2004). Not to mention the first source was a serbian source, of course they wouldnt want to make their Montenegrin brothers look as bad as the albanians, so they throw in a bunch more albanian incidents. Including the other one, its 4 families. Making it pretty much about the same. Another quite recent Vendetta in Montenegro www.revija92.novosti.co.yu/code/navigate.php?Id=422Having to do with only christian Montenegrins.
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Post by radovic on Apr 20, 2008 16:27:14 GMT -5
^ The case you listed now even further makes your argument less valid. The case involved criminals. This would be like saying that Itlaians have vendetta's becuase the vendetta is common in the mafia.
so basically: - So-called "vendetta killings" in Montenegro among Montenegrins are crime related. - Among Albanians and Muslims, not so much.
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Post by terroreign on Apr 20, 2008 18:54:41 GMT -5
^All peoples engaging in vendetta are criminals essentially, you're making false assumptions and conclusions to further your distorted ideas.
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Post by zgembo on Apr 20, 2008 22:32:08 GMT -5
My great-grandfather's brother killed someone in a revenge-killing. He was the last one to do so in our family. Fact of the matter is, the use of revenge-killing has decreased a lot in Montenegro, maybe its present around some seljaci who are not in touch with the modern world. It is definitely much more present among Albanians and Muslims who are so protective over the honour of their women that they hide them in tablecloths. Orthodox Christians in Montenegro are much more modern and respectful of state laws.
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Post by terroreign on Apr 21, 2008 2:31:52 GMT -5
^Yes it's decreasing, not only among Orthodox but the Muslims as well.
As the country progresses and law enforcement improves, vendettas will decrease, but I personally believe they will never die.
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Post by zgembo on Apr 21, 2008 3:26:34 GMT -5
Certain idiots can believe in it as much as they want, but they will be jailed for acting upon it just like any other murderers... that's the whole point... the whole vendetta system is based on living in lawlessness... because there is no state, you use revenge killing (or the threat of them) to prevent people from infringing on your rights... if you can't get away with killing somebody because they slighted your honour, 'vendettas' don't really exist anymore... what exists are mentally unstable killers who will be isolated from society (jailed) for their actions
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Post by terroreign on Apr 21, 2008 3:33:33 GMT -5
^Rightly said
The thing is though, these murderers are not doing much time.
My cousin's good friend went to jail for only 4 years, for murdering a man with a handgun...
Zarko Lausevic was in jail for 2 days after killing 2 men outside of a bar.
This country somewhat supports vendetta....its in some ways cultural upbringing as well...
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Post by zgembo on Apr 21, 2008 4:19:08 GMT -5
No, you're misstating things... Lausevic got 5 years because he killed those 2 guys in self-defense... I don't know about your cousin, but it was probably something similar... killing someone with vendetta as your motivation will land you the maximum sentence
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