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Fitna
Mar 29, 2008 19:15:09 GMT -5
Post by radovic on Mar 29, 2008 19:15:09 GMT -5
^ Terrorism is a rising risk everywhere. It is more of a threat in Muslim countries.
I've seen Jesus camp. Christian terrorism copying Hezbollah and other groups could be a small threat to the U.S. in 10-20 years.
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Fitna
Mar 29, 2008 19:29:07 GMT -5
Post by zgembo on Mar 29, 2008 19:29:07 GMT -5
You're comparing and equating Muslims and Christian terrorism? Come on now, don't you wanna be treated seriously? What is terrorism? It's attacking an unarmed population --hoping to kill or hurt or destroy as much property as possible-- with the objective of intimidating or influencing their political leadership. Terrorism is a tactic, not an ideology. Everybody has used it from the beginning of recorded history. It is the tactic of choice of the weaker side of the conflict. Whereas the Western powers, including Israel, are bristling with weapons and huge trained armies, the Muslims are much more weakly armed, or organized or trained. That's why some of them resort to terrorism. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying individual terrorism is justified, but neither is dropping nukes on entire cities, or bombing the hell out of a country, or bulldozing whole cities into rubble. You got a great point there, no doubt. The real question is, I suppose, the use of religious texts as a justification for violence against others. You've got your nationalists and extremists from Christian countries, but you rarely see them using the bible to justify attacks against someone. You cannot say the same for certain Muslims.
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Fitna
Mar 29, 2008 19:38:31 GMT -5
Post by Novus Dis on Mar 29, 2008 19:38:31 GMT -5
You're Anti Muslim, I'm yet to see a post that shows otherwise. So I am against a whole group of people? Dare I ask how you came to this conclusion?
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Fitna
Mar 29, 2008 20:15:46 GMT -5
Post by c0gnate on Mar 29, 2008 20:15:46 GMT -5
What is terrorism? It's attacking an unarmed population --hoping to kill or hurt or destroy as much property as possible-- with the objective of intimidating or influencing their political leadership. Terrorism is a tactic, not an ideology. Everybody has used it from the beginning of recorded history. It is the tactic of choice of the weaker side of the conflict. Whereas the Western powers, including Israel, are bristling with weapons and huge trained armies, the Muslims are much more weakly armed, or organized or trained. That's why some of them resort to terrorism. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying individual terrorism is justified, but neither is dropping nukes on entire cities, or bombing the hell out of a country, or bulldozing whole cities into rubble. You got a great point there, no doubt. The real question is, I suppose, the use of religious texts as a justification for violence against others. You've got your nationalists and extremists from Christian countries, but you rarely see them using the bible to justify attacks against someone. You cannot say the same for certain Muslims. Thanks, Mapko. It's true that many Muslim terrorists, and Muslims as a whole, use their religion as a source of inspiration for radicalism. Leaving aside for the moment our Balkan issues, my opinion is that the Muslims of the Middle East have suffered various injustices, even atrocities, at the hands of the Western powers since the end of WWI. The colonial powers at first tried to incorporate the Middle East into the British and French Empires, and all along North Africa to Tunisia. The colonialists drew up borders between these colonies as suited their needs. They proceeded to steal natural resources --oil-- while claiming it was "white man's burden" to civilize the backward peoples. Another huge injustice to the Arabs was the establishment of Israel, and all the ethnic cleansing, imprisonment, killing, etc that followed. Basically Israel has been locked in a cycle of violence with its neighbors for over 60 years. In my opinion the Muslims have turned fundamentalist as a reaction to all this. They are substituting fervent religiosity for weapons, since they don't really have any with which to fight Israel, America, Britain, etc. We are not going to see an end to this until peace is made between Israel and its neighbors (including here Iran as well). Moreover the American disaster in Iraq (up to a million Iraqis have been killed and four million displaced) will take decades to clean up. If you look at the history of other peoples --Christians, Japanese, Chinese, etc -- you can find periods when fundamental radicalism served as a way to galvanize massive violence. In the eyes of the perpetrators, they were always the ones being wronged.
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Fitna
Mar 29, 2008 20:47:10 GMT -5
Post by radovic on Mar 29, 2008 20:47:10 GMT -5
^ Muslims resort to terrorism also because they view martyrdom as a great thing. During the 80s many Iranian youths volunteered to run accross minefields during the Iran-Iraq war to become martyrs. Almost every Palestinian terrorist has amrtyrdom as a goal. I don't think many people would resort to martyrdom if they didn't feel their back was to the wall and they had no other choice. Remember Milosh Obilich? Yes. I remember him. The point I was trying to make was that quite afew muslim societies, especially in the Middle East, still hold martyrdom dearly. The vast majority of societies, incl. Serbs, do not hold martyrdom dearly at all. I mean. How many Serbs do you see blowing themselves up? How many Chinese? The only exception I know of a person doing this outside of the Muslim world is of a student protestors during this at the end of the Prague Spring.
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Fitna
Mar 30, 2008 18:15:32 GMT -5
Post by Ja Ona i Pivo on Mar 30, 2008 18:15:32 GMT -5
Yes both christian and islam has its terrorist, but the difference is that Christian terrorists is small groups/sekts.. Islam terrorist is so much bigger than that, countrys supporting it and so on.. I mean u people comlain when u dont get to build a mosque in western country!! Try build a church in Saudi Arabia, or in afghanistan?
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niquetamere
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Fitna
Mar 30, 2008 19:51:50 GMT -5
Post by niquetamere on Mar 30, 2008 19:51:50 GMT -5
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Fitna
Mar 30, 2008 20:45:49 GMT -5
Post by vinjak on Mar 30, 2008 20:45:49 GMT -5
The problem is not Islam its the interpritation of Islam. The first culprit is the US by imposing the biggest terrorist tool (sanctions) This was designed to keep the Islamic countries poor and underveloped. What this led to was masses of uneducated people with nothing to look forward to but poverty and the byproducts of poverty.
The Second culprit is some Clericks who have there own agenda and are driven by hate they deliberatley seek the poor offer them a illusion and teach them a distorted version of the Koran.
These clericks have known something that most powers on this globe have forggoten. Add a distorted Idea, faith and hoplessnes and you have the most powerful weapon on earth, man himself.
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niquetamere
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Fitna
Mar 31, 2008 11:35:36 GMT -5
Post by niquetamere on Mar 31, 2008 11:35:36 GMT -5
Thank You to Vinjak for showing that he's well educated and open minded.
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