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Post by Fender on Mar 3, 2008 5:15:51 GMT -5
I do agree with some of the points of the article. Serbia at this stage is still a threat (when i say threat, i mean in terms of regional stability and nationalism) for the EU and splitting it into pieces makes sense. This article can also be used as another argument for Vojvodina's secession from belgrade sometime in the future! Forces there are already stirring. Thats a very good analysis Cikola. If things go on as they are Vojvodina does have a real chance of splitting. The only thing right now that serbian citizens internally they have to consider is if Russia is worth a partner to pursue. If so they would loose out on EU membership and their economic growth will remain stagnant as most of the trade is done with EU countries and nobody wants to invest in a Russian satellite. Kindergarten philosophy.
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Post by Novi Pazar on Mar 3, 2008 6:05:45 GMT -5
"EU ambassadors to Bosnia have strongly rejected such rhetoric, saying that these Serbs have no right to secede from Bosnia-Herzegovina under the peace deal that ended Bosnia’s war."
So what!!.....no one needs to abide by no law, what makes this more than UN 1244?
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Post by Novi Pazar on Mar 3, 2008 6:09:47 GMT -5
"Thats a very good analysis Cikola. If things go on as they are Vojvodina does have a real chance of splitting. The only thing right now that serbian citizens internally they have to consider is if Russia is worth a partner to pursue. If so they would loose out on EU membership and their economic growth will remain stagnant as most of the trade is done with EU countries and nobody wants to invest in a Russian satellite."
What about northern Eprius?....this region has been occupied by albanians for less than 100 years!.
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Post by Demonel on Mar 3, 2008 8:39:09 GMT -5
Do you know what Peace Agreement means? If it’s broken the war won’t start, it will continue. RS has to abide it, Serbia has to abide it, and Russia has to abide it. Dodik & co. know that there is no way in hell they could secede from Bosnia. It’s all talk so RS politicians could keep RS and their chairs. RS Serbs know this, and it is one of the reasons they protest on the streets.
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Post by Banatski on Mar 3, 2008 8:42:18 GMT -5
^^ Who respects agreements and laws these days?
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Post by Demonel on Mar 3, 2008 10:44:34 GMT -5
You should keep that one in mind when hostilities are renewed.
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Post by vinjak on Mar 3, 2008 16:06:31 GMT -5
LOL yep there they are the new Balkan super power "Bosniaks" Pfft.
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Post by Demonel on Mar 3, 2008 19:04:21 GMT -5
You said that, I didn't. ;D
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Post by Novi Pazar on Mar 3, 2008 19:24:57 GMT -5
^ In all honesty, if a major superpower decides to violate international resolutions like 1244 why can't someone challenge the superpowers deal of Dayton?
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Post by Demonel on Mar 3, 2008 20:17:46 GMT -5
If Dayton is broken the war won’t start, it will continue. Want me to say it in another language?
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Post by Anthologic on Mar 3, 2008 21:46:50 GMT -5
Actually the double standard is allowing KosovO's sucession and not Northern KosovO's or RS too. If Kosovo doesn't, then RS shouldn't either. If Kosovo does, RS should too! Talk gets you nowhere. Declaring independence and getting recognition gets you somewhere. Dude who are you seriously? You're talking about what a country should and should not do in a political situation from the comfort of your parents' basement.
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Post by vinjak on Mar 3, 2008 21:49:50 GMT -5
Its the famous sh1t stirrer queen of topic derailment Miss Albanese honey
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Post by Anthologic on Mar 3, 2008 22:03:11 GMT -5
Thats a very good analysis Cikola. If things go on as they are Vojvodina does have a real chance of splitting. The only thing right now that serbian citizens internally they have to consider is if Russia is worth a partner to pursue. If so they would loose out on EU membership and their economic growth will remain stagnant as most of the trade is done with EU countries and nobody wants to invest in a Russian satellite. Hi FanNoli, 1) Vojvodina could be considered Serbia's "California". There's mostly Serbs living there, so I don't see where you get the idea independence is a remote possibility. 2) EU membership does not contribute significantly to national economic competitiveness.
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Post by zgembo on Mar 3, 2008 23:14:25 GMT -5
A popular vote in Vojvodina couldn't bring forward greater autonomy, let alone independence. The Serbs in Vojvodina are actually quite nationalistic (SRS is stronger there than in central Serbia) and they make up the majority of the population.
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Post by fannoli on Mar 3, 2008 23:24:13 GMT -5
Thats a very good analysis Cikola. If things go on as they are Vojvodina does have a real chance of splitting. The only thing right now that serbian citizens internally they have to consider is if Russia is worth a partner to pursue. If so they would loose out on EU membership and their economic growth will remain stagnant as most of the trade is done with EU countries and nobody wants to invest in a Russian satellite. Hi FanNoli, 1) Vojvodina could be considered Serbia's "California". There's mostly Serbs living there, so I don't see where you get the idea independence is a remote possibility. 2) EU membership does not contribute significantly to national economic competitiveness. Hello Anthologic 1. Vojvodina is successful because of the progressive non-Serb element, that is why its considered your "California". 2. EU membership does contribute significantly to economic advancement since most of your trade&links is with EU countries. And if you think isolating yourself[and going at it alone] wont have any economic impact than you should take some basic classes on Econ. Im not going to enlighten you why free trade agreements are beneficial to countries, why open-border policy are beneficial to countries, why free non-visa movement of people is beneficial for country development and why access to EU competitive and low-interest loan banks are beneficial to your development. Add to that a dozens of other reasons you would be missing out. But i dont think Serbs have the guts to do that. You're all talk and cry babies. You're that child of Europe that does not belong on the continent but its there and cries when its lollypop is taken away. EU's appeasement to Serbia is wrong and is going to work against them. But EU appeases because they dont wont trouble on their territory. Even your Serbian economy minister knows his people would be missing out by seeking a partnership with Russia[who has nothing to offer because it is neither an economic giant nor a geographical asset]. So what crap are you smoking Antho and come back to reality?
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Post by Anthologic on Mar 3, 2008 23:35:45 GMT -5
Yes I see how Switzerland and Norway are suffering.
Are you serious? Are you fucking joking or are you trying desperately to be as convincing as possible with false information?
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Post by fannoli on Mar 3, 2008 23:41:43 GMT -5
Yes I see how Switzerland and Norway are suffering. Are you serious? Are you fu cking joking or are you trying desperately to be as convincing as possible with false information? I knew you were going to bring this ridiculous example. Switzerland and Norway are not EU because of small technicalities such as Switzerlands case with Bank dissagreement on how they should be run. But they have an excellent relationship with EU where they could be considered its members. Have you ever asked yourself Do Swiss need Visa to travel to EU[lets say neighbouring Austria]? NO Do Serbs need Visa to travel to EU. YES Do their companies have restrictions? Serbia by being hostile to EU and seeking a partnership with Russia wont be like Switzerland or Norway. You will be like Belarus.
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Post by Fender on Mar 3, 2008 23:48:00 GMT -5
Yes I see how Switzerland and Norway are suffering. Are you serious? Are you fu cking joking or are you trying desperately to be as convincing as possible with false information? I knew you were going to bring this ridiculous example. Switzerland and Norway are not EU because of small technicalities such as Switzerlands case with Bank dissagreement on how they should be run. But they have an excellent relationship with EU where they could be considered its members. Have you ever asked yourself Do Swiss need Visa to travel to EU[lets say neighbouring Austria]? NO Do Serbs need Visa to travel to EU. YES Do their companies have restrictions? Serbia by being hostile to EU and seeking a partnership with Russia wont be like Switzerland or Norway. You will be like Belarus. give it up Fannoli, your sinking fast.
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Post by c0gnate on Mar 3, 2008 23:50:15 GMT -5
The majority of the Serb population of Vojvodina are relatively recent arrivals - post WWII. Several hundred thousand Germans were ethnically cleansed out of Vojvodina from 1944 to 1948, and colonists from other parts of Yugoslavia -mostly Serbs- were brought in. Similarly the catastrophic ethnic cleansing of Serbs from Croatia in 1995 added some 100,000.
It is these traumatized Serbs that now form the backbone of the reactionary Radical Party that for the moment holds sway.
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Post by Anthologic on Mar 3, 2008 23:53:10 GMT -5
Ridiculous? I never said Serbia is the next Switzerland, thank you.
Have you been to Voivodina, or spoken to anyone from there?
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