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Post by Trazi Vise on Feb 22, 2008 12:07:59 GMT -5
But that's why they are recognising Kosovo; so they can build a stronghold in the region. You will see what will happen...mark my words. It will be NATOS "homebase".
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Post by cando4u on Feb 22, 2008 12:15:09 GMT -5
Let the games begin. Vinjak, you were spot on. Fender , this is disastrous for Serbia Serbians are the cause for another possible world war in the eyes of the free world.
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Post by albaniansoul on Feb 22, 2008 14:21:08 GMT -5
"We win no matter what." Who wins?....you win?....pffft, where is kosovo's nuclear bombs. Nuclear bombs and money do the talking, not trafficing women and drugs!. Well, that Kosova is under Albanian control does pretty much say enough. We dont need to have WMD when we got NATO(who got WMD) protecting us. Sure they wont use it on the behalf of us, thats pretty clear. Just as Russia wouldnt use their WMD on the behalf on Serbia. They even laugh at you. But, if Serbia gets their hands on WMD or Russia use some on Kosovo. Then, and believe me. Then will NATO send off their WMD, aimed for Belgrade and Moscow. What does the talking is pretty clear as well, the Albanian lobby does. As you might know Drug equals money. Money equals lots of power and influence The Republic of Kosova and Serbias other neighbours might not be in NATO for now, but we all know that NATO protects Kosova as it was a member of its alliance.
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Post by zloca on Feb 22, 2008 14:23:09 GMT -5
Let the games begin. Vinjak, you were spot on. Fender , this is disastrous for Serbia Serbians are the cause for another possible world war in the eyes of the free world. I think the blame in history will be on the us for this one. It is not more disastrous for Serbia, than for the entire world. Serbia and Russia are the few that refuse to silently take it up the poop by hegemons. Albs on the other hand have a long history of it. This is not a threat from Russia, it is a clarification of their standpoint and a reminder of the gravity of the situation. EU has been taking US word for law during the last 25 years, without reflecting on the implications of their actions. They do not even blink in breaking international laws of sovereignity and iviolability of borders.
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Post by albaniansoul on Feb 22, 2008 14:24:24 GMT -5
But that's why they are recognising Kosovo; so they can build a stronghold in the region. You will see what will happen...mark my words. It will be NATOS "homebase". Its pretty obvious that Ethnic Albania will be a major base to NATO. Thats good. By then we'll be a full NATO member and having the HQ in Ethnic Albania means that they will use WMD to protect it. It would also mean that Ethnic Albanias words means alot.
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Post by captainalbania on Feb 22, 2008 14:35:41 GMT -5
>serbs should of listened to vojislav seselj. and today we would not have this problem
Yeah, you would have lost Vojvodina too and finally the last stone would have crumbled in the Serbian Empire.
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Post by kiki on Feb 22, 2008 15:44:07 GMT -5
captainalbino. what does my comment about vojislav seselj, have anything to do with vojvodina?
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Post by vinjak on Feb 22, 2008 15:58:35 GMT -5
This is a phsycolgical game at the moment.
On one hand you have Russia who is regaining its position as a super power and is backed by its people to never again be embarrased as it was by Clinton.
On the other hand you have the US whose people are angry at the Wars that Bush has started, in my opinion should it come to a face off the people of the US would quickly bring down the government.
It will never get to a WWIII scenario as i guarantee you that the US will back down first as the people will give them no choice.
This is not about the independence issue as I believe that is already done and finnished This will be about Partition.
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Post by Fender on Feb 22, 2008 16:55:59 GMT -5
Let the games begin. Vinjak, you were spot on. Fender , this is disastrous for Serbia Serbians are the cause for another possible world war in the eyes of the free world. Its only disasteous for the likes of the KLA and their masters the US as they are the ones who stand to lose the most.
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Post by Fender on Feb 22, 2008 16:58:19 GMT -5
captainalbino. what does my comment about vojislav seselj, have anything to do with vojvodina? Its called deflection. This tactic is called up often in these forums by the Albanian posters when they run out of sane and rational arguments. They think thatby calling up the insane and irrational that people will change their way of thinking. Its a childish tactic.
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Post by cando4u on Feb 22, 2008 17:02:45 GMT -5
If there were Russians in this forum and on this topic ,they would be laughing at you Serbians
Fender , If your going to make another account as a Russian character,use the screen name KGB1 so I know its you .
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Post by Fender on Feb 22, 2008 17:06:46 GMT -5
If there were Russians in this forum and on this topic ,they would be laughing at you Serbians Fender , If your going to make another account as a Russian character,use the screen name KGB1 so I know its you . ;D The only people being laughed at is the KLA and there pretend independance. That has to be the joke of the century,don't you agree.
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Post by cando4u on Feb 22, 2008 17:10:00 GMT -5
I my math they seem to come out as victors and you joking to yourself is a better way to say it .
do you care for a game of friendly chess? ;D
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Post by vinjak on Feb 22, 2008 17:44:41 GMT -5
LOL why are you here then go over to the Kosovo sub forum and start singing your praises they would appreciate that...now go shoo.
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Post by Novi Pazar on Feb 22, 2008 18:51:46 GMT -5
"But that's why they are recognising Kosovo; so they can build a stronghold in the region. You will see what will happen...mark my words. It will be NATOS "homebase"." Exactly.....kosovo is modelled on bosnia, their intention all along was a control this strategic location that has been the backbone of wars won and lost, its also an important transit route. I wonder if they want to ruffle up countries along the silk road? because at the moment they are controlling the drugs in Afghanistan
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Post by Novi Pazar on Feb 22, 2008 19:09:33 GMT -5
"This is not about the independence issue as I believe that is already done and finnished This will be about Partition."
You may in fact be spot in the short term something like the cyprus issue. I think Russia's determination to save legitimacy of the *agreed* UN mandate regarding resolution of 1244 etc....will make the US and its crony allies unconfortable.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Feb 23, 2008 1:36:29 GMT -5
The true story + more, as the western controlled media just couldn't say:
Russian NATO ambassador talks use of force 22 February 2008 | 18:05 -> 19:15 | Source: B92, FoNet, Tanjug BRUSSELS -- Russia's ambassador to NATO Dmitry Rogozin says his country could use force in Kosovo.
"If the EU adopts a unified position and NATO oversteps its mandate in Kosovo, that will challenge the UN, so we will then start with the premise that force, brute force, known as armed force, needs to be used, in order for us to be respected," Rogozin told a news conference in Brussels today.
Russia has also rejected as "pure lies" the speculation that it had a hand in the riots in Belgrade yesterday – allegations spread by former U.S. Balkans envoy Richard Holbrooke.
"These are pure lies. This is an attempt to make Russia responsible for what has clearly been a spontaneous reaction of the Serbian society," Rogozin added.
"When a country's heart is ripped out, it will not peacefully watch the blood flow from the body. We would not idly sit by if Vladimirska district was taken from us. Kosovo is the land where the Serbian Orthodox civilization was born," the diplomat continued.
"We received hints on numerous occasions that we ought to change our position on the Kosovo issue, but the pressure was useless. The truth is on our side and it allows us to take a clear stand," Rogozin said.
"The process of the recognition of the unilaterally proclaimed independence of Kosovo province is possibly financed by the money of the Kosovo drug mafia," Rogozin was heard saying today during a video conference organized by RIA Novosti on a link between Brussels and Moscow.
"Kosovo long ago became not just a base for drug trafficking to Europe, but also a massive laboratory. These huge sums could be used for political aims by Kosovo's drug mafia to boost Kosovo's declaration of independence," Rogozin said.
"Certain European politicians simply could have been bought," RIA Novosti quoted Rogozin as saying.
"Should this information be proved correct, it is not ruled out that there will be a political scandal involving the buying of certain politicians with drug money," Rogozin said.
"When extremist forces are coming to power, one should always be looking for dirty money," Rogozin added.
"And that dirty money appears in Europe mostly from narcotics", he concluded.
Also today, Russia's state news agency Itar-Tass carried a report that said Moscow is ready to support "Kosovo Serbs' drive for independence".
"We will support the Serbs in Kosovo who do not wish to live in an independent province," a high government source told the agency on condition of anonymity, and added this was related to the "Kosovska Mitrovica region".
At the same time, the source says, "Moscow will not allow Kosovo's international recognition".
"We will block any such move at the UN Security Council, and cooperate with those countries who also oppose Kosovo's independence," the source said, and clarified "this was the subject of discussions between the Russian and Serbian presidents when they met".
The source also said that "there are no ongoing discussions to deploy the Russian army in Kosovo".
Earlier, Russia's UN Ambassador Vitaly Churkin on several occasions at the Security Council "strongly warned" the Western countries not to use repressive measures in case Kosovo's Serbs in the north of the province decide to reject the authority of Priština.
Russia also said this week it deems the EU mission to the province, EULEX, to be illegal.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Feb 23, 2008 1:39:48 GMT -5
Notice the *gradual* intensity of Russian behavior. Personally i don't think they will stop. They (we) will start with N. Kosovo, and proceed downwards in the coming years. What Russians want is an excuse.
To prevent some schqwuiptars from talking about slavic sources etc... It's called ACCURATE TRANSLATION.
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Post by zloca on Feb 23, 2008 2:16:16 GMT -5
Russia has clarified it's stand, as I previously said: these are no threads. The conflict is definitely heating by the moment. It seems neither side will back down. __ Addressing the February 17 U.S.-KLA Declaration of Independence from the Republic of Serbia, Sir John Sawers, the British ambassador to the United Nations, explained it like this (S/PV.5839, p. 13.2): We...expect the Serbian authorities and Kosovo Serb leaders to take no action to promote separation of the north of Kosovo from the rest of the country. Excluding Kosovo's Government from majority-Serb areas of Kosovo will not be accepted. Kosovo Serb leaders should work with the Government in Pristina and with the international presences.
Read Sawers' warning as many times as you must. Just don't miss this fact: It reiterates nothing less than the blueprint for the dismantling of the former Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia, ca. 1991 through the present. (Badinter) So: The independent state known as the Republic of Serbia is violable along the boundaries of its former province. But this state of Kosovo is now inviolable along exactly these same boundary-borders. And the ethnic Serb population trapped within the newly independent state has no right to remain citizens of the Republic of Serbia. To quote Sir John Sawers one last time (p. 13.1): "The international community cannot be party to a settlement that is opposed by more than 90 percent of the territory's population." Replace "international community" with neocolonial community, and the British ambassador's words are perfectly understandable. Such principles are observed in the breach whenever observing them in actual fact gets in the way. From ZCommunicationsby By David Peterson at Feb 22, 2008
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Feb 23, 2008 2:28:59 GMT -5
Anyway Zloca, all western wars have stopped after the first soldiers return in body bags. That will persuade Sir John Sawers for sure.
Thats why those bimbos want to expand NATO, to put the Pols and the Czechs and Bulgarians to fight their brothers and die for smth they dont believe, while Sir John Sawers will be partying with his boyfriend in Ibiza.
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