Let`s say that modern Albanians are the descendants of the Albani tribe. What gives you the right to claim that all Illyrians are Albanians when Albanians can only trace their roots from THAT PARTICULAR TRIBE. Serbs (as well as Croats, Bosniaks, and Montenegrins) have been proven to have the most Illyrian blood (particularly Bosniaks and Montenegrins). Throughout the middle ages, Serbs were called `Tribals`by Byzantine chronichlers. The Triballi were a tribe that lived on today`s Serbia. The CoA of the First Serbian Uprising has the `Coat of Arms of Triballia`on it (the wolf and arrow) and the Hapsburgs and Austrians frequently documented Serbs as Illyrians.
Novi, you are correct in saying that Serbs are majority Illyrian. Thracians were incorporated in sthe eastern parts of our realm. However, modern anthropology suggests that Illyrians and Thracians and Dacians are the same people as in ancient texts, they are mentioned as one. I will post more info later.
Let`s say that modern Albanians are the descendants of the Albani tribe. What gives you the right to claim that all Illyrians are Albanians when Albanians can only trace their roots from THAT PARTICULAR TRIBE. .
There is no lexigraphical proof that links Serbs or Bosnians or Croats or whoever else to the Illyrian tribes. All the ancient texts links your people to the Serboi, and those others nationalities to the same persian=Russian=Germanic tribes before they adopted the Serbian Slav language.
Albanians are also descendants of the Dardanians and many many more Pelasgian/Illyrian/Thracian Tribes.
The point of this whole matter is, when Serbs like to use 1389 600 years of Kosova rule, well, we go further back, with the Dardanian tribe and 2500 years of our settlement in the Balkans. And we have the map by Polybius and Ptolemy to prove it as well as many many more aspects of our traditions, culture and language. Serbs got nada...
Serbs (as well as Croats, Bosniaks, and Montenegrins) have been proven to have the most Illyrian blood (particularly Bosniaks and Montenegrins).
actually hercegovinan and southern dalmatian croats have the most illyrian blood.
to my understanding croats settled the province of dalmatia (which stretched all the way down to northern albania), and serbs settled the province of moesia superior:
the province of dalmatia was where the illyrians reigned. moesia superior was inhabited by a peoples who were a hybrid mix of thracians/dacians and illyrians. moreso of thracian stock than illyrian. some more illyrian genes were added to serbs when the nomadic vlachs migrated into serbia, because the vlachs also contained illyrian blood (aswell as alot of other blood) because they came to serbia from the direction of albania.
the descendants of these nomadic vlachs were roman colonists who were made up of slaves from all over the eastern roman empire, streching from north africa, the middle east, asia minor and greece. they were no longer slaves when they were freed at the port of epirus in northwestern greece. from there, they became nomadic shepards who married locals wherever they migrated. so from epirus, they migrated northwards into what is today albania, and then into todays serbia, and then from serbia some vlachs migrated back south into macedonia, but most migrated north crossing the danube to the northeast into what became known as wallachia. some vlachs also migrated into areas of todays croatia/BiH/CG , but most came to these areas later during the ottoman times. i'm going off track a bit but i'll get back to my point. when vlachs migrated into serbia, alot of them stayed there, hence why they still have a substantial community of self identifying vlachs in the timocka krajina area of serbia. these vlachs contained some illyrian blood, but they also have alot of blood of peoples of the middle east and africa, and that is why vlachs tend to be swarthy, and have thick black hair. so serbs generally get their illyrian blood from the moesians, and the vlachs who were both partly of illyrian stock.
First of all the name Albania is something that outsiders call you, not from inside. Secondly, how does a lanuage change from a kentum to a sateum?. Thirdly, if the Albanians are direct descendants of the 2nd century Albanoi, why are the maritime so lacking in modern Shqiptar?...don't tell that when the slavs arrived they were pushed into the mountains and lost it up there and when they decided to come down they borrowed from the slavs or greeks. Fourthly the Jercek line disects more than half of todays Albania, why is ancient Greek loan words ever so lacking?. Fifthly, explain the heavy slav topymns inside Albania.
Post by PrijesDardanian on Dec 27, 2007 10:24:49 GMT -5
"Novi Pazar read history, dont scary from books"
This is deja vu!!.
First of all the name Albania is something that outsiders call you, not from inside.
First Albanians in insade (middle ages) themself called Arbanit (while serbs/sllavs called us: Arbanasi, Latins: Arbanese/Arbanatis, Greeks: Arvanite)...this also was Illyrian tribes that first mentioned in the 2nd century BC by Polybius (2300 years ago)
Arbanit tribes and Albanian tribes lived clothesy like:
Secondly, how does a lanuage change from a kentum to a sateum?.
How many time we discused about it Novi?, majority of linguistic dont support this theory
1) Alb language centum because Albanian language from all european languages has most less common with iran/slavic/armenian languages (ancient greek language was very common with Armenian and Iran but they are not in same category)
2) We know that some words that found amon Dacian/Thracian were simality with Illyrian and how can be divided those from Dacian/Thracian?
Thirdly, if the Albanians are direct descendants of the 2nd century Albanoi, why are the maritime so lacking in modern Shqiptar?
Are you joking? Shqiptar name adobtet from XVII Ceuntry cause of flag and Shqiptar was second name of Albanians.
Fourthly the Jercek line disects more than half of todays Albania, why is ancient Greek loan words ever so lacking?.
so what? what is wrongs here...Albania was under Byzantines and Roman that time Latin and Greek language was like today is English language (like me and you are speaking now)
Can you dany that english language is not very present among serbian language?
Fifthly, explain the heavy slav topymns inside Albania.
And what you want to say you about it??
You must read history Novi, Albania, Greece and others part of balcan were 100 years of bulgarian empire (like Kosova was under serbians) and there dont have heavy slav tpynims in Albania but just few one city that is Pogradec and some villagers.
Novi Pazar is also turkish tomponim and some serbian cities/villagers has turkish name...and what does mean this you are turkish?
amd those tomponime have changed from invaders like bulgarins did in Greece and after 1800 all greeks backed names that were before but we Albanains did not that
Post by PrijesDardanian on Dec 27, 2007 10:32:19 GMT -5
"actually hercegovinan and southern dalmatian croats have the most illyrian blood."
There is a gene map which shows this.
hu? because say you?
Most Illyrian Blood have and Motherland is Kosova (that soon will be New State of Europe) along Albania, Montenegro, West Macedonia and South Serbia.
Go ask most famous bosnak archeologist from hercegovina Osmanogic you can take answer, he examinatet skeleton from there and were close with ADN of him and (Albanians)...Also that prove that Illyrians, Macedonians and Troyans were same people.
Hi Serbs! I m Bulgarian and I also think that nowadays Bulgarians are mainly Thracians (as prooved in genetic researches). However the Slavs played a big part in forming our nation and of course the lexic was adopted (though the grammer remained, thats why Bulgarian is in the Balcanic language union with the Romanian, Albanian, Greek and West Bulgarian Dialect that was announced for official language, all those language share similar grammer rules, some say its due to the Thracian and Illirian languages) Of course the Bulgars that created the first Bulgarian state back in 681 took part in the formation of our nation. My question is: How did you began speaking Slavic (if you are Ilirians and Persians)? was it due to the Bulgarian rule before the creation of Serbia? Because in Bulgaria the Slavic or Old Bulgarian was announced for official (state and church) language by our glorious king Boris I. That would explain why the Thracians lost their language.
My question is: How did you began speaking Slavic (if you are Ilirians and Persians)?
that's the whole problem ioan, serbs make up any history the way they want, there's no way illyrians or persians would began speaking slavic, first off because Illyrians are modern-day albanians and secondly persians are assimilated into modern-day Hungarians, so there no supportive root theory to prove that these 2 tribe would began speaking slavic unless if they were either forcefully slavnised or either intermarries with slavic tribe, but still there's not enough resources to prove neither Illyrians nor Persians would actually adopted slavic as their own language.
Post by ILIRI I MADH on Dec 28, 2007 1:12:30 GMT -5
I agree partly that some Serbs are Illyrian aka native to the balkans...but most are either dacian thracian dardanian slavic gothic turkish greek roman etc....all of the balkans are very well mixed up...in fact novi pazar could be of albanian origin and i could be of serbian origin that's how f@ck3d up it is in the balkans, nobody knows what they really are, it is just what you feel thats what you are, because it doesnt say in your blood type that you are serb or albanian...
The montenegrians serbs and southern serbs have some illyrian in them but of course not all....We can even trace some serbs like Milosevic that comes from a assimilated tribe which used to be albanian at one point...and assimilation in montenegro is happening day by day...I have some montenegro albanian friends here in the US and they know only a couple of words in albanian their first language is serbian, but they are proud to be albanian, if you offend them you better find a hole to hide! lol
as far as albanians being mentioned 1080...hehe...here is a ancient roman map...Oh and check out the DARDANIAN tribe way south...Arbanit!
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