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Post by radovic on Oct 19, 2007 13:54:42 GMT -5
Archeologists discover Serbia's oldest tomb 19 October 2007 | 16:37 | Source: Tanjug SJENICA -- Archeologists from a Novi Pazar museum came across what they say is the oldest tomb ever discovered in the country.
The find is located in the village of Sugubine, near Sjenica, in southwestern Serbia, archeologist Dragica Premoviæ-Aleksiæ told reporters Friday.
The tomb dates back to 9th century AD and has a huge historical and scientific significance, she added.
"Before they converted to Christianity, the Serbs, just as other Slavic pagans, burned the bodies of their dead," Premoviæ-Aleksiæ explained, adding this is the first time the remains that have not been burned were discovered in a grave dating back to that era.
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Post by Kubrat on Oct 20, 2007 17:49:46 GMT -5
sorry, but don't mean to be an a$$, but, guess who was in control of that land at that time
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Post by srbobran on Oct 20, 2007 18:40:25 GMT -5
Serbia. During the 9th century, King Vlastimir (one of Serbia's greatest yet most renowned leaders) and the House of Vlastimirovic built an empire stretching from all of present day Bosnia to lower Thessaly and Peloponnese in Greece. Need a map?
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Post by Demonel on Oct 21, 2007 3:33:11 GMT -5
all of present day Bosnia? Not even Dushan was that powerful, and Serbia was largest in his time.
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Post by captainalbania on Oct 21, 2007 21:47:30 GMT -5
Yes, all of Present Day Bosnia, but it doesnt mean that Serbs live there, they just control the area. Here is the map of the damage these monkeys did to the Byzantine Empire. This is c. 814 AD, after the death of Charlemagne
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Post by sorryp on Oct 22, 2007 4:22:04 GMT -5
The only problem i have with the Serbs of the time, is that they left some albanians alive. That was a huge mistake to be payed by all today balkanians.
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Post by kasso on Oct 22, 2007 4:37:22 GMT -5
I thought the tomb was located in Kosovo? I've heard this in Albanian language news RTK.
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Post by Demonel on Oct 22, 2007 5:45:17 GMT -5
I don't see Serbia in Bosnia, all I can see is the grey color for slavic tribes and a name Servia over todays Serbia.
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Post by Kubrat on Oct 22, 2007 10:02:15 GMT -5
there is no way serbia was that powerful or controlled that area, i think the person who made the map wanted to represent slavs. thats the only thing that makes sense
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Post by zgembo on Oct 22, 2007 10:30:43 GMT -5
Regardless, the location of this tomb was in Rashka/Sandzak. That region has been settled by Serbs since the 7th century.
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Post by radovic on Oct 22, 2007 10:34:20 GMT -5
I don't see Serbia in Bosnia, all I can see is the grey color for slavic tribes and a name Servia over todays Serbia. I see it in between present day Serbia and bosnia.
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Post by radovic on Oct 22, 2007 10:35:56 GMT -5
all of present day Bosnia? Not even Dushan was that powerful, and Serbia was largest in his time. Hardly. Serbia was present in southern Hercegovina and a very small section of what is "Bosnia."
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Post by Demonel on Oct 22, 2007 15:34:11 GMT -5
Radovic's map looks right. Which year is that?
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Post by srbobran on Oct 22, 2007 17:13:12 GMT -5
here is no way serbia was that powerful or controlled that area, i think the person who made the map wanted to represent slavs. thats the only thing that makes sense
No. Serbia WAS that powerful .Read old texts. Serbs had a large scale presence in Macedonia, Greece, and Epirus as well as Bosnia, Raska, and Zeta (the three traditional areas of Serbian settlement). The map is TRUE and is taken from a WESTERN (AMERICAN) source.
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Post by Kubrat on Oct 22, 2007 19:19:50 GMT -5
i have NEVER read any texts supporting that the Serbians had control of that area, or were even a majority at that time frame. I haven't even come across byzantine texts. if you want a map that is proven historically accurate, here: notice where (and who) the western neighbours are. wikipedia source: Krum (Bulgarian: Крум) was ruler of Bulgaria, from sometime after 796, but before 803, to 814 AD. During his reign the Bulgarian territory expanded two times, spreading from the middle Danube to the Dnieper and from Odrin to the Tatra Mountains. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Krum_of_Bulgarianow if you notice the fact that the Bulgarian empire bordered the Frank empire and the FACT that the Avar state was no longer in existance during Khan Krum's reign, which lasted till 814, you'll realize that the map you posted of 814 is flawed since it obviously shows an avar state. if you intend to argue that the Serbs controlled all that land after Khan Krum, i would like to inform you that Omurtag expanded the borders. furthermore, by
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Post by Kubrat on Oct 22, 2007 19:21:44 GMT -5
Radovic's map is from Dushan's time (half Bulgarian hahah(not trying to provoke)), which is Serbia's borders at their greatest extent.
modification: the fact that even your historians claim that serbia's largest territory was during Dushan's time also contradicts your claim that serbia controlled that area and was that powerful, since, obviously, serbia in the map u posted is larger than Dushan's Serbia.
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Post by zgembo on Oct 22, 2007 23:01:58 GMT -5
Saying that Dushan was half Bulgarian assumes that women were equal to men in this period. The ethnicity of his mother was irrelevant, which was true for all royalty at that age. He was a Serbian King, Czar as a matter of fact, who brought the Bulgarian state down to its knees.
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Post by Teuta1975 on Oct 22, 2007 23:10:54 GMT -5
SJENICA -- Archeologists from a Novi Pazar museum came across what they say is the oldest tomb ever discovered in the country. The find is located in the village of Sugubine, near Sjenica, in southwestern Serbia, archeologist Dragica Premoviæ-Aleksiæ told reporters Friday. The tomb dates back to 9th century AD and has a huge historical and scientific significance, she added.
"Before they converted to Christianity, the Serbs, just as other Slavic pagans, burned the bodies of their dead," Premoviæ-Aleksiæ explained, adding this is the first time the remains that have not been burned were discovered in a grave dating back to that era. But doesn't it say that they (Slavic pagans tribes) burned the bodies??? Thus, how come it exists a tomb? ??!!!! Suppose is someone killed accidentally, shouldn't there be a tomb at all, just a body???!!!! So...whose tomb is it? Pagan Serbs (who burned the bodies) or other pagan tribes who didn't? And who didn't???
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Post by Kubrat on Oct 23, 2007 0:52:07 GMT -5
Saying that Dushan was half Bulgarian assumes that women were equal to men in this period. The ethnicity of his mother was irrelevant, which was true for all royalty at that age. He was a Serbian King, Czar as a matter of fact, who brought the Bulgarian state down to its knees. some women were, who are you to say she wasn't? interestingly he also married a Bulgarian woman. brought the Bulgarian state to its knees? wtf? are you sure about that? are you sure they didn't support and help him out? Also to remember that Bulgaria near that time had its own internal problems, and shortly after that time period it was divided into principalities among a few Bulgarian nobles. Besides, his empire lasted only 24 years....as big as it was, it didn't last, it never even came close to regaining its size.
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Post by zgembo on Oct 23, 2007 1:17:10 GMT -5
She obviously wasn't because he represented the Serbian throne, and fought to expand the Serbian state and not the Bulgarian one. Marriages were all about politics at that time. The ethnicity of the women was irrelevant. Claiming Dusan to be half Bulgarian is ridiculous. He didn't spend half his time expanding Bulgaria and the other half expanding Serbia. Do not be so ignorant!
Bulgaria was brought to its knees by Dusan at the Battle of Velbuzhd (1330). Following that, it was essentially a Serbian dependency.
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