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Post by Novus Dis on Jun 21, 2008 1:47:18 GMT -5
The seven miracles of the Soviet Authority:
1. There is no unemployment, yet nobody works. 2. Nobody works, yet the Grand Scheme is carried out. 3. The Grand Scheme is carried out, yet there is nothing to buy. 4. There is nothing to buy, yet there are lineups everywhere. 5. There are lineups everywhere, yet everyone has everything. 6. Everyone has everything yet everyone is dissatisfied. 7. Everyone is dissatisfied, yet everyone votes 'Yes'.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Jun 21, 2008 2:01:03 GMT -5
In capitalist societies 70% are salesmen and marketeers, 29% are antagonizers managers who mutually neutralize one another and .... 1% does the dirty job of working.
So that 1% must be 100 times better than their communist counterparts.... Thats why capitalism will fail, while the fall of communism was premature and enforced.
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Post by Novus Dis on Jun 21, 2008 2:10:01 GMT -5
In capitalist societies 70% are salesmen and marketeers, 29% are antagonizers managers who mutually neutralize one another and .... 1% does the dirty job of working. So that 1% must be 100 times better than their communist counterparts.... Thats why capitalism will fail, while the fall of communism was premature and enforced. You a socialist?
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Jun 21, 2008 2:36:28 GMT -5
Yes, not because of bitter feelings or anything. It is just because capitalism will destroy the planet prematurely.
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Post by Novi Pazar on Jun 21, 2008 7:19:47 GMT -5
^ Greed does ruin people. Problem with people is that everyone thinks about themselves.
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Post by Novus Dis on Jun 21, 2008 8:15:15 GMT -5
Yes, not because of bitter feelings or anything. It is just because capitalism will destroy the planet prematurely. The Eastern Block did its fair share of wasting time, energy and materials on weapons that would never be used. Anyway, I don't care much for socialism because it creates a culture of laziness. Though I am against pure capitalism as well, the last thing the world needs is a bunch of power hungry plutocrats at the helm.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Jun 21, 2008 13:27:16 GMT -5
1-People have the natural tendency to destroy themselves and the world. 2-So Communism was invented to overcome these limitations of human nature. 3-Because of 1-, people who thought they are Gods (Jewish leaders, Germanic organs) destroyed communism.
As far laziness is concerned, i cant think of a laziest place than western europe.
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Post by Fender on Jun 22, 2008 9:32:53 GMT -5
Yes, not because of bitter feelings or anything. It is just because capitalism will destroy the planet prematurely. The Eastern Block did its fair share of wasting time, energy and materials on weapons that would never be used. Anyway, I don't care much for socialism because it creates a culture of laziness. Though I am against pure capitalism as well, the last thing the world needs is a bunch of power hungry plutocrats at the helm. As opposed to the US who are regarded as 100% capitalists and percieved to have the biggest military. Do you think they haven't wasted billions on weapons that don't work properely. Supposedly for such a rich nation, quite a few go bankrupt when they can't afford their medical bills. That would never happen in Australia or many parts of Europe.
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Post by Toskaliku on Jun 22, 2008 20:34:38 GMT -5
Americans have a strong spirit of independence and generally dont like the govt meddling in their affairs, thus they have long rejected socialist institutions and take them up only them they are of utmost necessity. This exempts, say, the Blacks whose jobs and welfare is often tied to the govt since they cant create a stable middle class so as to build their independence.
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Post by jerryspringer on Jun 23, 2008 4:16:20 GMT -5
They were also the ones to create it.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Jun 23, 2008 4:52:30 GMT -5
They were also the ones to create it. As a means to destroy Russia, however it turned out the other way. (well close).
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Post by jerryspringer on Jun 23, 2008 6:03:33 GMT -5
Karl Marx wrote his thesis to destroy Russia? The Jews that supported the Bolshevik movement did so in order to destroy Russia?
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Post by Novus Dis on Jun 23, 2008 7:14:42 GMT -5
As opposed to the US who are regarded as 100% capitalists and percieved to have the biggest military. Do you think they haven't wasted billions on weapons that don't work properely. Supposedly for such a rich nation, quite a few go bankrupt when they can't afford their medical bills. That would never happen in Australia or many parts of Europe. As opposed to nothing. Both communists and capitalists are greedy sons of whores who have raped the earth and sold out their countrymen for material goods. I hold no love for either but you have to understand that communism did waste a lot of resources and energy on weapons no one would use (namely nukes but also tanks and aircrafts) and lets not start with how many lives were wasted in the name of communism. 1-People have the natural tendency to destroy themselves and the world. 2-So Communism was invented to overcome these limitations of human nature. 3-Because of 1-, people who thought they are Gods (Jewish leaders, Germanic organs) destroyed communism. Ironic that Germans and Jews would try and destroy a creation of a German Jew. As far laziness is concerned, i cant think of a laziest place than western europe. Why incentive is there to work under communism? The only way to get people to work in a socialist system is to force them at gunpoint which would only work during wartime. Karl Marx wrote his thesis to destroy Russia? The Jews that supported the Bolshevik movement did so in order to destroy Russia? They certainly didn't have any loyalties toward Russia. How can internationalists have any loyalties toward a country?
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Jun 23, 2008 7:41:27 GMT -5
Deucaon, in capitalist systems the amount of lost energy is huge, that no socialist laziness can compensate.
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Post by jerryspringer on Jun 23, 2008 9:47:39 GMT -5
Loss energy of what?
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Post by Novus Dis on Jun 23, 2008 10:33:23 GMT -5
Deucaon, in capitalist systems the amount of lost energy is huge, that no socialist laziness can compensate. Capitalism doesn't make communism any less wasteful. Time, resources, manpower, etc.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Jun 23, 2008 11:15:47 GMT -5
the fact that you have numerous people trying to develop the same thing. Why have Canon and Sony and Panasonic, etc?? They are freakingly the same. Compare communist products and capitalist products. Capitalist products, they just dont worth it. In capitalist systems, the smartest people try to guess what their counterparts are thinking, instead of producing. True development, is indeed a side effect of capitalism, but a small fraction of the whole effort, while in communism the loss is much less. Capitalism survives only on expansion while communism had the ultimate stability. Expansion is impossible in a universe of stable energy/resources. Capitalism is fundamentally and conceptually wrong. The talk is very long.
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Post by Toskaliku on Jun 23, 2008 12:24:47 GMT -5
Correction. You mean Communism had the ultimate stagnation.
Capitalism embodies the values of man; Communism is an ideal system that simply will not since it does not work according to the human character
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Post by Bozur on Jun 23, 2008 13:29:27 GMT -5
Who owns you Americans? (George Carlin)
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Post by yeni on Jun 23, 2008 14:15:07 GMT -5
And still the communist products were mostly copies of outdated capitalist products.
Communism gave the illusion of stability and security and i understand that many ppl liked it (it could be good to know that if you hold your tongue you can work in the same place in the next 20-30-40 years and u won’t be fired) but this illusion also needs that evil capitalist thingy called money... but the commie regimes could no longer finance it.
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