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Post by plisbardhi on Jun 6, 2011 20:19:00 GMT -5
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Post by plisbardhi on Jun 6, 2011 20:23:05 GMT -5
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Post by Novus Dis on Jun 6, 2011 22:33:22 GMT -5
IT'S WRITTEN IN A BOOK SO IT MUST BE TRUE, YOU GUYS.
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Post by plisbardhi on Jun 6, 2011 22:45:01 GMT -5
What are you talking about you overweight, illiterate son of a pig farmer? Whats written in those books is also equally true for the most part of Dinaric Croats, Boslims, and Albanians as well. Read (if you can) before you speak.
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Post by terroreign on Jun 6, 2011 22:48:19 GMT -5
Just read the part about wrapping the wife in tar/wax and lighting her hair on fire
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Post by Novus Dis on Jun 6, 2011 22:57:52 GMT -5
What are you talking about you overweight, illiterate son of a pig farmer? Whats written in those books is also equally true for the most part of Dinaric Croats, Boslims, and Albanians as well. Read (if you can) before you speak. I don't want to waste bandwidth.
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Post by plisbardhi on Jun 7, 2011 0:12:39 GMT -5
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Post by plisbardhi on Jun 7, 2011 0:16:41 GMT -5
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Jun 7, 2011 1:11:26 GMT -5
Just read the part about wrapping the wife in tar/wax and lighting her hair on fire Slavs are by (God's) design the most sensitive and noble nation of earth. My recent trip to Berlin confirmed that once again.
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Post by terroreign on Jun 11, 2011 2:07:42 GMT -5
the book that plisbardhi cites "Heavenly Serbia", despite it's glaringly obvious liberalist bias and political correctness, i feel is very correct about one thing - the influence and importance of Gorski Vijenac, or The Mountain Wreath, in Serb culture.
The Mountain Wreath illuminates the core ideology of Serb nationalism and ultimately, the raw essence of being a Serb. It can be considered the bible of Serbdom.
I think this passage in Heavenly Serbia sums it up nicely:
"At a meeting of Montenegrin leaders at the beginning of the poem, he had proposed to cleanse the country of infidels, and vowed that 'our struggle will not end/until the extermination, Turkish or ours'. Now he describes one more bloody event and weeps over his rifle, ruined by the enemy's bullet:
I mourn my old rifle more than I would my own arm had it been hit I mourn it as if it were my only son I mourn it as if it were my own brother because it was a gun above all guns it brought good luck, and it was deadly.
The poem ends with the prince-bishop giving Vuk a new rifle, 'for in the hands of Vuk Mandusic/ every rifle will be deadly'. This conclusion conveys the message that the task, which has not been completed, must be carried on...and that the extermination of infidels must be pursued to the end."
It displays the almost primordial Serb philosophy, that killing the enemy is a necessity to achieve justice and prosperity, ie. rebirth. And thus it is not just necessary, but it is good and should be encouraged and celebrated.
This concept of human sacrifice = rebirth in The Mountain Wreath is appropriately tied together with the Serbs' worship of their supreme pre-christian war god - Vid, or Svetovid. To add to it's significance most pivotal (& violent) events in Serbian history occurred on Vidovdan day, like the Kosovo battle.
It is due to this primordial, almost unconscious will to give tribute, and obey their war god, that Serbs have the undying urge to carry out the "Istraga", or "Holy war" against it's enemies.
This holy war, as explained in The Mountain Wreath, is inescapable, bloody, and will not end until they, or the Serb people, are annihilated.
Even I, a liberal, westernized, American Serb am compelled by the instinctive calling of the "Raw Serb".
When reading this I was shocked and a bit disturbed by this horrific act, and the conscious-part of me denounced this as disgusting evil that can never be justified. However a small part of me, the "raw Serb", enjoyed imagining this man's chest sliced open and heart pealed out like a core from a peach. The "raw Serb" in me indulged in this slaughter, in it's almost inherent "cleansing" as if comparable to taking a refreshing shower after strenuous work in the fields. It's as if my instinctive Serbness found for a mere second perfect harmony with Njegos's spirit, and I felt how he felt when he was writing those verses - the absolute solace in the holistic righteousness of it all.
But I digress, for it is easy to be carried away, but difficult to truly understand, why the Serbs act the way they did/do, and I think understanding is the first step to a resolution.
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Post by Novus Dis on Jun 11, 2011 9:42:49 GMT -5
TerroReign seems to grasp the war of annihilation being waged against Serbdom. I wish more would understand what we, as a whole, face. Not just Serbs in the Balkans. Serbs everywhere.
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Post by uz on Jun 11, 2011 12:04:24 GMT -5
I actually spent a good 10 minutes reading a bit, and came to the conclusion that its all nonsense.
One example, the killing old members of the family cause they're a burden? This was not a practice followed by the "people" this was an individualistic practice.
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Post by plisbardhi on Jun 12, 2011 5:21:32 GMT -5
Being a 'liberal, westernized, American Serb' you have read too much into this. You seem to be at conflict with yourself and your post reflects that with your hazy notions of 'Serbness'.
Much has already been put forth by qualified types like Cvijic and Tomasic...
PS Easy with the whole 'raw Serb' thing, pyrros may not be able to hold back from creaming himself.
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Post by terroreign on Jun 12, 2011 12:48:29 GMT -5
they were vivid, not hazy.
they are inspired however a bit tangential, and try too hard to pin this all on a "dinaric" boogie man, going into superfluous depth into Dinaric family customs, temperament, superstition, etc.
While at the same time this book proves that not all Dinarics had the same kind of superstitions or mentality, when describing Njegos' Mountain Wreath and juxtaposing it to the Croatian epics, etc.
i think for you to properly understand what the yugoslav wars are all about you must accept that this "thing" exists, and it is powerful.
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Post by uz on Jun 12, 2011 13:10:30 GMT -5
What do you mean here?
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Post by emer on Jun 12, 2011 18:05:42 GMT -5
He would, wouldn't he?
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Post by emer on Jun 12, 2011 18:11:27 GMT -5
they were vivid, not hazy. they are inspired however a bit tangential, and try too hard to pin this all on a "dinaric" boogie man, going into superfluous depth into Dinaric family customs, temperament, superstition, etc. While at the same time this book proves that not all Dinarics had the same kind of superstitions or mentality, when describing Njegos' Mountain Wreath and juxtaposing it to the Croatian epics, etc. i think for you to properly understand what the yugoslav wars are all about you must accept that this "thing" exists, and it is powerful. What is this "thing"? And I don't think it's an exclusively Serbian thing after all this topic was started by an Albanian. Most of the northern tribes are uncivilized with exception of Croatia maybe because they had contact with Austrians and the West and of course Greece it pains me to admit.
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Post by uz on Jun 12, 2011 18:13:48 GMT -5
^ Define the term civilized, in the context your presenting it in.
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Post by ulf on Jun 12, 2011 18:32:50 GMT -5
from the link( edition.cnn.com/chat/transcripts/branimir_chat.html ): " Chat Participant: How long have the Serbs lived in the Kosovo area and how long have the Albanians lived in the Kosovo area?
Branimir Anzulovic: This is an issue that has been much discussed. Serbs claim that Albanians came to Kosovo relatively late, but all historical indications point out that Albanians are descendants of old Illyrians, who were a power in the Balkans before the Roman Empire subdued them. " There is clearly false statement connecting Albanians with Illyrians(in Kosovo) for more then one reason. The subdued Illyrians(which were really a minority when Slavs came) weren't of Albanian origin, but they became part of Serbian/Slavic nation because its known you had two choices with the Slavs once they conquered some land(either get assimilated or leave the area for good), so, as we Serbs would say "this does not drink the water"
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Post by ulf on Jun 12, 2011 18:44:53 GMT -5
And just read the whole interview of that guy. Seems like he doesn't know what is he talking about.
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