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Post by yeni on Aug 18, 2008 21:34:03 GMT -5
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Post by diurpaneus on Aug 19, 2008 2:45:45 GMT -5
You visited Cluj-Napoca (Kolozsvar) ? I live there. Let me guess, the other cities from the pictures are Brasov and Miercurea-Ciuc (Csikszereda).
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Post by yeni on Aug 19, 2008 7:43:34 GMT -5
You visited Cluj-Napoca (Kolozsvar) ? I live there. Let me guess, the other cities from the pictures are Brasov and Miercurea-Ciuc (Csikszereda). bun bun i expected u to recognize them esp. Cluj there is also one photo of Odorheiu Secuiesc (Székelyudvarhely) and the mountain, Atenþiei photos and the Saint Anna lake are from around Baile Tuºnad (Tusnádfürdõ). Cluj/Kolozsvár was in a quite good condition even the orthodox cathedral on the Avram Iancu square was nice. Only two things sucked there, the Matthias statue next to the Saint Michael church is under renovation so didn't see much from it and we saw quite lot street dogs, one pack had some 7-8 members... They were peaceful not agressive but well... it was surprising in the middle of the night to meet with them. but keep the city on this way and it will be very cool. from the train while we traveled to Cluj we also saw some parts of the Apuseni mountains/Erdélyi szigethegység. I'm big fan of mountains and it was also very nice!
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Post by c0gnate on Aug 19, 2008 7:45:29 GMT -5
Nem, nem, soha! ;D
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Post by c0gnate on Aug 19, 2008 7:49:28 GMT -5
Is the lake Lacu Rosu?
OIC. Poiana Brasov.
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Post by yeni on Aug 19, 2008 7:56:22 GMT -5
No its not the Lacu Rosu (Gyilkos tó) but another famous lake in Harghita, the Lacu Sfanta Ana/Szent Anna tó, a crater lake. Unfortunetly we had no time to also visit the Lacu Rosu. That sucked the most, due to the fact we came without car and the limited amount of time, we had to miss many interesting places. So that means ill have to go back minimum one time ;D
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Post by diurpaneus on Aug 19, 2008 10:48:48 GMT -5
Yeah, there are some street dogs in Cluj, but the Municipality is working on it, at least that`s what the mayor promised during his campaign. Those are the only pictures you took? Post some more Did you visit the house where Matei Corvin (Matyas Kiraly) was born? Or the central cemetary where all those hungarian lords are burried in those impressive crypts?
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Post by yeni on Aug 19, 2008 12:25:33 GMT -5
Yeah, there are some street dogs in Cluj, but the Municipality is working on it, at least that`s what the mayor promised during his campaign. Those are the only pictures you took? Post some more Did you visit the house where Matei Corvin (Matyas Kiraly) was born? Or the central cemetary where all those hungarian lords are burried in those impressive crypts? Yes it was easy to find the house where Matthias was born from the piata Unirii, its always interesting to think about that you are standing on the same place where some important historical guy was hundreds of years ago. and about the cemetery yeah we call it Házsongárdi temetõ but we arrived to the cemetery lately it was already night. though i saw photos of the crypts before you are talking about (like the Bethlen crypt) but i would be more interested in the tombs of Apáczai Csere János and Szenczi Molnár Albert (those were important folks in the development of Hun literature and language) buried there. Anyways next time i will go inside the cemetery. Btw i have a question i saw a monument on the piata Unirii u see it when you want to walk to the Avram Iancu square.. there were Romanian names on it but i couldn’t figure it out what is it about.. ? i think u also know the weather was soo good and sunny last week except the weekend, but my phone’s camera didn’t appricate the sun light as much as me so these photos i posted were the better quality..and it also didn't like the night... so i made only a few because i became tired to find every time the optimal time and direction. just some random photos from Cluj these were made on the Horea street while we walked from the railwaystation to the center: (another question, why are the wires on the streets are so weird and caothic in Cluj as u can see on these photos? it can be difficult to be a bird or electrician there. ) (i know many Huns don't like orthodox churches in Romania because they see them as symbols of colonisation... but i found them interesting, the few orthodox churches in Hungary are mostly boring, they look like the catholic ones, but not in Ro.. they are exotic.. at least for me ) and an example of Cluj's street art in other part of the city (that was also positive i saw very few tags and graffitis in the historical part of the city unfortunetly in Budapest there are many which ruins the view) but feel free to post your photos about Cluj or google some!
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Post by diurpaneus on Aug 19, 2008 13:31:40 GMT -5
Btw i have a question i saw a monument on the piata Unirii u see it when you want to walk to the Avram Iancu square.. there were Romanian names on it but i couldn’t figure it out what is it about.. ? That is a monument dedicated to the Transsylvanian Memorandum and to it's authors. Because burring them under the earth would mean digging up most of the streets and nobody really wants that. I don`t like them either. Anyway, I`m not a supporter of the "Democratic Liberal Party", but since we have this new mayor (Emil Boc), Cluj has really evolved. Yes, I saw that too. I just hate those A*****es who destroy the beauty of some buildings with their nonsense. Sadly I don`t have pictures of Cluj anymore. My hard drive got toasted and I lost everything. But here are some pictures of Cluj and vicinity made by amateur photographers: www.trekearth.com/gallery/Europe/Romania/West/Cluj/I am happy you liked the city I live in. I like it too PS: Did you visit the Protestant Cathedral too, the one next to the Protestant College? Where the statue of Saint George is. Last time I entered that building, they were selling books for "forint" there, because of all the Hungarian tourists.
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Post by yeni on Aug 19, 2008 14:27:52 GMT -5
we saw it from outside it is surprising to see Calvinist church in gothic style how i imagine a real Calvinist church must have white walls and puritan outlook… after all… they are Calvinists (of course i know it was originally catholic church changed to protestant). The Calvinists are the most Hungarianest Hungarians i saw other Calvinist churches too in Transylvania they had only Hungarian writings on it. It was also good to see Unitarian churches in Transylvania, those are also rarer in Hungary. i got the impression that most foreign tourist in Cluj/Kolozsvár were from Hungary, in Brasov/Brassó mainly western tourists, in Szekelyföld mostly Huns again though i was surprised to see many Romanians in Baile Tuºnad/Tusnádfürdõ. It’s native ppl are predominantly Hungarian but we often heard Romanian talk from tourists. and about local politics... i don't think party affiliation is really that important in local level. wether you are right winger or lefty, nationalist or cosmopolitan everybody wants clean streets, good public services, better security and so and it does not really matter that under which party banner the mayor achieve this. on national level there is too many cash too easy to be corrupt and the politicians lose connection with the ppl too many space for demagoguery. but in a city or town its clear.. is there dog sh*t on the streets or not
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Post by diurpaneus on Aug 19, 2008 15:33:37 GMT -5
of course i know it was originally catholic church changed to protestant Well, that`s why it has that gothic look. It was built by franciscan monks with the help of Matthias Rex. The street where this Church is located is one of the oldest streets in Cluj and was called in medieval times "Platea Luporum" ("the Wolfs alley") And behind this Church, the Weavers Bastion: This Weavers Bastion is now being restored and will become the "Center of Urban Culture of Cluj" and will have a coffee shop at the basement, a meeting hall at the first floor and a library at the third floor. In front of this bastion the Romanian captain Baba Novac was executed in 1601 Hey, is that you in the first picture you posted?
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Post by yeni on Aug 19, 2008 16:13:48 GMT -5
Thx for posting the pics, feel free to continue. i see u found the old photos here www.kolozsvarikepek.extra.hu/i just started to browse them... great site by the way numerous photos of old Kolozsvár/Cluj interesting to compare them to todays lol look what i found, the Avram Iancu square: i guess this was made after the second Vienna decision, what was the name of the square i knew there was Hitler square and Mussolini square in Bp back then but didn't know this... no lol, just some tourists walked into my photo.
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Post by oszkarthehun on Aug 20, 2008 8:42:08 GMT -5
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Post by yeni on Aug 20, 2008 10:18:37 GMT -5
Great pics Yeni Thanks for sharing them , "Szep varos Kolozsvar" Indeed . Btw how many hours from Budapest was the journey by train. Its now official I will be in Vienna mid September and visiting Hungary early October. I have been seriously considering a trip to Transylvania myself, I hear its possible to fly from Budapest via Wizzair to Targu Mures/Marovasarhely. But if the train journey is not more expensive maybe its a more interesting option. I am hoping you will be still free to catch up in Budapest Yeni, Budapest-Kolozsvár was some 7 hours little too long but we survived then from Cluj/Kolozsvár to Hargita and Kovaszna counties is around 5-6 hours (there was one direct train from Kolozsvár per day to there), or other option there are more trains per day between Cluj/Kolozsvár-Brasov/Brassó (its also around 5-6 hours) and from Brassó its easy to go to the Székelys, Sfantu Gheorghe/Sepsiszentgyörgy is close to it. But its really up to you if you only want to see Szekely places u can directly travel there from Budapest. Here you can see train ticket prices to different Ro cities from Budapest www.mav-start.hu/ajanlatok/kulfoldi_utazasi_ajanlatok.php?mid=1468374136829e its in Hungarian, prices are in euro and retur tickets (to and back included), you can select which is the optimal for your plans. And this is a great Romanian site for Romanian trains, www.infofer.ro it has english version u can also check prices and so. Accomodation was not problem we didn’t reserve anything but we easily found cheaper places to sleep everywhere, especially in Szekely towns they were cheap and very good quality. My favourite Szekely town was Székelyudvarhely/Odorheiu Secuiesc many many 19th century houses only very few commie concrete buildings and those aren't in the center either. its some 95%+ Hungarian. I could imagine to move there. ;D u can go there only with bus (bus goes there from Marosvásárhely, Csíkszereda, Sepsiszentgyörgy and so, there is also international line from Budapest to Székelyudvarhely directly i tihnk) how i saw no train goes there. Haha its really true u leave Hungary in the east you go deeper and deeper to Ro and how u continue to the east u arrive to Hungary again. There are also many bus lines both local and international if u can sit on the bus for longer time its also great. I also heard there are cheap flights to T Mures/Marosvásárhely but i don’t have experience with it, maybe u have to reserve it early. its big advantage u will have to spend much less time with travelling. But anyways be prepared to travel a lot as Erdélyország is a huge country. And of course u are welcome if u are in Bp we can meet, discuss the details in pm before u come.
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Post by diurpaneus on Aug 20, 2008 11:11:57 GMT -5
i guess this was made after the second Vienna decision, what was the name of the square i knew there was Hitler square and Mussolini square in Bp back then but didn't know this... Heh. Didn`t know that either about the present Avram Iancu square Guess all dictators are the same. Brasov was named "Stalin City" from 1947 until Ceausescu came to power. Just imagine how funny it is to see the ID cards of some people born there in the 50's: " Born in: Stalin City" ;D Here are some more pictures of Claudiopolis: Shepherd Donath watching over Cluj. He saved the city and is a local hero. The legends say that when the Turks invaded, because of the strong fortifications they didn`t attack the city directly but tried to cut off it's water supply. So they built their camp in the Nadas valley and started to dig trenches to divert the Somes river from the city. Donath the Shepherd saw this and ran to the western gates of Cluj, the Manastur (Kolozsmonostor) Gates, and told the guards what the Turks are up to. The inhabitants of Cluj then chased the Turks away. It is said that after he delivered his message he died from exaustion. So he is something like a hero of Marathon of Cluj I know his legend because I recently read it in a local newspaper. The Franciscan Church The first Orthodox Church built in Cluj (1789) - at that time build outside the city walls. The Cathedral and statue of Avram Iancu Panorama View Old times Old times Old times Old times Old times Lonely policeman sitting in the rain
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Post by yeni on Aug 20, 2008 16:33:52 GMT -5
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Post by diurpaneus on Aug 21, 2008 15:46:34 GMT -5
Nice drawings I recognise all the places except the ones from the 7th and 9th pictures.
Hey, which place did you like the most, from all the places from Romania you visited?
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Post by c0gnate on Aug 21, 2008 16:27:11 GMT -5
Baba Novac (Starina Novak) was Vlach, born on the right bank of the Danube in what is now northeastern Serbia. Of course if you ask a Magyar, you are all Vlachs.
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Post by yeni on Aug 21, 2008 18:36:31 GMT -5
Nice drawings I recognise all the places except the ones from the 7th and 9th pictures. Hey, which place did you like the most, from all the places from Romania you visited? This? i think u also recognize the lower its now the central building of Babes-Bolyai back then the central building of Ferenc József university and the other buildings were the buildings of the medical faculty. At least according to the book, i couldn’t locate them now i dont know your city that well. and this? here the upper drawing was the headquarters of EMKE (Hungarian Cultural Society of Transylvania) From this pic im sure u recognize it, the CFR headquarters today. and the lower was the first Hungarian theatre building, built in the beginning of 19th century. it no longer exist today theres the Casa Universitarilor on its site. And which place i liked the most… all places were cool really, we found something beautiful everywhere... maybe since we were sooo fed up with urban life here in Budapest we enjoyed the tours in the mountains around Baile Tusnádfürdõ the most... the Tuºnad was my favourite mineral water too. but hard to choose im really sad i only saw few parts of Transylvania… tooo many options for history and nature lovers.
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Post by Anittas on Aug 22, 2008 8:00:21 GMT -5
He was Romanian born in Serbia. Unless you have any souces that indicate that he identified himself other than Wallachian, we'll have to believe that he viewed himself as Wallachian. Just because you're Gypsy doesn't mean that everyone must be like you.
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