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Post by Nikola on Nov 24, 2008 6:57:44 GMT -5
So what makes you Macedonian then?
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Post by Novi Pazar on Nov 24, 2008 7:02:12 GMT -5
"May I ask, since you somehow seem to think you are a real Macedonian, do you speak only Greek? Or do you speak the Slavic dialect from FYROM?"
Nikolaa, l don't understand what your trying to tell Arxil?
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Post by Arxileas on Nov 24, 2008 7:12:49 GMT -5
So what makes you Macedonian then? As a friend of mine would always say, which has so much truism. Macedonians had always Greek names, toponyms, Greek ways, Greek heroes, worshiped the same Greek gods, Greek dialects and spread the Greek Language and Civilization to the World and continued through the middle ages to now. And me being a native Greek Macedonian to this region of Macedonia in Greece my ancestors can be traced as far back as 17th century and beyond, they were always proud Greeks. Now it's your turn, what makes you Macedonian being a none Greek that is. Is it for Geographical reasons only ?
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Post by Nikola on Nov 24, 2008 7:14:29 GMT -5
You still haven't answered my question though. What makes you a Macedonian?
I live in Australia but that doesn't make me an Australian.
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Post by Nikola on Nov 24, 2008 7:21:57 GMT -5
Nikolaa, l don't understand what your trying to tell Arxil? I'm not trying to tell him anything, I just want to know why he is calling himself a Macedonian. No other Greek I've come across seems to call themselves a Spartan or Athenian.
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Post by Arxileas on Nov 24, 2008 7:29:30 GMT -5
You still haven't answered my question though. What makes you a Macedonian?
Huh !? wasn't the previous answer enough ? Any ways, maybe this will be enough. Greek language, Greek Macedonian traditions, Greek Macedonian customs etc; very simple. Exactley just because you live in some 15% in the region of anceint Greek Macedonian area doesn't just make you a Macedonian, does it ?
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Post by Nikola on Nov 24, 2008 7:31:21 GMT -5
Again, no, it's not an answer. I (genuinely) want to know why you actually call yourself a Macedonian and not a Greek. What makes certain Greeks Macedonians and others simply Greeks?
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Post by Arxileas on Nov 24, 2008 7:36:28 GMT -5
I'm not trying to tell him anything, I just want to know why he is calling himself a Macedonian. No other Greek I've come across seems to call themselves a Spartan or Athenian. I stated just like the Spartans, the Athenians and Epirotes are Greek also. Big difference here lad. @ Novi it'll take decade to unbrain wash the Fyromians I am afraid. But time is on our side
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Post by Arxileas on Nov 24, 2008 7:37:46 GMT -5
Again, no, it's not an answer. I (genuinely) want to know why you actually call yourself a Macedonian and not a Greek. What makes certain Greeks Macedonians and others simply Greeks? Macedonia is Greek what else do you think it is ? LOL !
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Post by Nikola on Nov 24, 2008 7:42:14 GMT -5
Why is it so hard for you to answer such a simple question?
I'll play along; Macedonians are Greeks, but why then do you not simply call yourself a Greek? What makes you call yourself a Macedonian?
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Post by Arxileas on Nov 24, 2008 7:52:22 GMT -5
BUT who are the Macedonians ? Is it really that hard to answer ? Once you do, you will have the answer you seeketh lad. People who spread the Greek Language and Civilization to the World are to be denied their Greekness ! Good Lord ! There are some 200 Hellenic tribes and that includes the anceint Macedonians. Here is their languange;
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Post by chalkedon on Nov 24, 2008 8:04:34 GMT -5
Why is it so hard for you to answer such a simple question? I'll play along; Macedonians are Greeks, but why then do you not simply call yourself*greek? What makes you call yourself a Macedonian? nikolaa, he calls himself macedonian because he is from macedonia greece. Others will say I am epiroti ( fro Epirus ), or cretan or, peloponessian. Do you understand ? Its mostly used as a geographic qualifier. However, if you are asking to try to set him up in saying that its based on geography so you can do the same...then you will fail. fyrom only has 10% of known " macedonia ". To give you benefit of the doubt...I will say you might have some mac blood, but if thats the case then learn your real language and come embrace your bro's in thessaloniki...hell will freeze over before you ppl try to distort history and the truth. Its about time ppl in fyrom stop trying to disprove that macs were greeks and prove that they were something else. So far they have come up w/ ZERO.
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Post by Nikola on Nov 24, 2008 8:19:08 GMT -5
Look Greek, I'm not trying to prove you wrong or argue with you, I'm simply trying to understand out what you believe and why. So stop being so rude and patrionising with your answers.
So again, why do you call yourself a Macedonian? Saying that Macedonians were one of many other Hellenic tribes does NOT answer the question. Not a single modern Greek I have come across has ever identified themselves as from one of those other Hellenic tribes. And yet you do. Why?
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Post by Nikola on Nov 24, 2008 8:24:33 GMT -5
I will say you might have some mac blood, but if thats the case then learn your real language and come embrace your bro's in thessaloniki... So, are you saying that language is what makes people (with Macedonian blood) from FYROM not Hellenic/Greek/Macedonian? Is that the only barrier?
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Post by Arxileas on Nov 24, 2008 8:41:19 GMT -5
Skopians don't allow history to find what Macedonians were. By stealing her name, they impose history to assure that Macedonians were like them.
We Greeks and all educated people cannot allow Skopians do that.
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Post by chalkedon on Nov 24, 2008 8:54:19 GMT -5
I will say you might have some mac blood, but if thats the case then learn your real language and come embrace your bro's in thessaloniki... So, are you saying that language is what makes people (with Macedonian blood) from FYROM not Hellenic/Greek/Macedonian? Is that the only barrier? NO..thats not the only barrier, but its a hell of a start. Aside from language you have customs and common belief in hellenism. The problem w/ ppl in fyrom is that they try to disprove the modern greek macedonians as asia minor refugees while claiming the slavs ( bulgarians ) that inhabitited the region ALONG WITH HELLENIC PPL ( although not that many back then ) as the ONLY heirs to the "macedonian" state. When they try to monopolize the name for their OWN intentions than they are completely disregarding the real history and origins of the ones they call " macedonians " Unlike the common belief that there were no greeks in macedonia prior to 1912...you can ask a couple of forum members here that can prove you otherwise. Arxilleas is one of them and i think Basil is as well... Hope you see the light...if you pride yourself in macedonian history then you have to go back to the roots. And yes...language is a great start
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Post by Nikola on Nov 24, 2008 9:05:57 GMT -5
Finally, a civilised response. Again, I'm not arguing anything, I'm simply trying to understand what your stance on the matter is. Thanks.
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Post by chalkedon on Nov 24, 2008 9:15:36 GMT -5
Nikolaa, as soon as your politicians lose the animosity towards Greece. I am sure you ppl will recognize the truth in the matter.
I dont think there is a single greek out there that would not accept you as macedonian if you ( you in general terms ) ppl didnt try to impose a foreign language and customs on them.
We would be more than happy if you ppl decide to go back to the roots you firmly believe you belong too.
And dont be frustrated from other members here...we are so used to fyrom propaganda that sometimes we jump the gun. Ppl like Arxileas are good guys...
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Post by Nikola on Nov 24, 2008 9:55:52 GMT -5
Maybe politicians are the cause of many isues, but, I don't really see an amicable outcome to this dispute to be honest. I can understand your point of view but I can also understand the point of view of my countrymen. And I know you can but, I don't see a completely wrong or right answer. Both sides have something to lose.
Whatever the outcome though, I just wish it's solved sooner rather than later.
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Post by bog on Nov 24, 2008 17:56:56 GMT -5
Call it Bosnia
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