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Post by Novi Pazar on Nov 24, 2008 18:07:11 GMT -5
"I'm not trying to tell him anything, I just want to know why he is calling himself a Macedonian. No other Greek I've come across seems to call themselves a Spartan or Athenian."
I've come across many Greeks who say they are Greeks from Macedonia. Lets not get confused with Vardar. Nikolaa, what made Vardarians name themselves as 'Macedonians', what was the cause?
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Post by Novi Pazar on Nov 24, 2008 18:20:20 GMT -5
"@ Novi it'll take decade to unbrain wash the Fyromians I am afraid. But time is on our side"
Arxil, they know very well who they really are, l'll give you an example, a former work collegue of vardarian nationality said to me that they (the vardarians) know very well they are slavs and they are in noway related to the Ancient Hellenic people of Northern Greece (Macedonians).
Time is on your side, they have been burnt by the events of NATO earlier this year, more is to come ;D
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Post by Nikola on Nov 25, 2008 1:26:46 GMT -5
...l'll give you an example, a former work collegue of vardarian nationality said to me that they (the vardarians) know very well they are slavs and they are in noway related to the Ancient Hellenic people of Northern Greece (Macedonians). Wow, this is hilarious. No offence man but seriously, what you just wrote there is pretty stupid. The fact that you would take the opinion of one person and apply it to an entire nation is laughable. By that reasoning, I've come across plenty of Greeks who consider me a Macedonian even though they know I speak the Slavic dialect so that means all Greeks must think the same? I've even come across Serbs, Albanians and Bulgarians who have no issue with recognising me as a Macedonian. Seriously now.
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Post by Kubrat on Nov 25, 2008 3:54:17 GMT -5
my vote goes for: planet of the apes
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Post by ioan on Nov 25, 2008 3:55:42 GMT -5
^Bulgarians who doesnt care you are Macedonian? Of course there are such. Actually all accept you as Macedonians. But you are Macedonians in regional sense and Bulgarian in national sense. Its the same for me: I am Moesian in regional sense and Bulgarian in national. I have friends that are Thracian in regional sense and Bulgarian in national sense. The thing is: we are all Bulgarian. As for the ancient Macedonians: I think its safe to say they were Greek tribe. Too much Greek culture spreading to consider them Bulgarian . Except that you live in Peonia, proud Thracian land. In time there came Slavs and Bulgars of Kuber. Basically all three nations that mixed in Thrace, Moesia and Macedonia.
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Post by Novi Pazar on Nov 25, 2008 5:19:57 GMT -5
"Wow, this is hilarious. No offence man but seriously, what you just wrote there is pretty stupid. The fact that you would take the opinion of one person and apply it to an entire nation is laughable.
By that reasoning, I've come across plenty of Greeks who consider me a Macedonian even though they know I speak the Slavic dialect so that means all Greeks must think the same? I've even come across Serbs, Albanians and Bulgarians who have no issue with recognising me as a Macedonian.
Seriously now."
Nikolaa, the only reason why they are calling you *Macedonian* is because they are being nice to you, deep down, all of us know your not a Hellenic Macedon. Its time the international community sorts out this mess, don't you agree.
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Post by Nikola on Nov 25, 2008 6:27:05 GMT -5
I agree, it needs to be solved asap. If only to stop fellow Balkanians like you from constantly insulting us at every opportunity you get.
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Post by bog on Nov 25, 2008 6:41:42 GMT -5
why are you all so rude against the Macedonians...
what have they done against you?
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Post by Novi Pazar on Nov 25, 2008 6:51:44 GMT -5
"I agree, it needs to be solved asap. If only to stop fellow Balkanians like you from constantly insulting us at every opportunity you get."
Good, thats why pressure needs to continue so we get an outcome with a name that doesn't bare the name macedonia. Do you like the name vardarska Banovina, i do ;D
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Post by Novi Pazar on Nov 25, 2008 6:53:12 GMT -5
"why are you all so rude against the Macedonians...
what have they done against you?"
Bog (God), they are embarressing us slavs, do you realise this.
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Post by bog on Nov 25, 2008 7:00:58 GMT -5
"why are you all so rude against the Macedonians... what have they done against you?" Bog (God), they are embarressing us slavs, do you realise this. how are they embarressing us? I feil to see how... They named them self after a region, like someone cares. Like other peoples have "real" history... Macedonians are okey poeple... I call them Makedonci... when I see a Makedonac I say.. "Makedonac, gdje si ba u pm..." and he is like "zdravo" and I am like "zdravo" back at him...
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Post by chalkedon on Nov 25, 2008 7:38:32 GMT -5
^^^ well...apparantly somebody cares. This could be over by now if they accepted North Macedonia or New Macedonia. The Aglo Saxon's done it in america, australia, and new zealand. And they are miles and miles apart...I see no reason why fyrom cant do it since they are SHARING THE REGION OF MACEDONIA between 3 countries. Greece with over 90% Bulgaria and modern day Fyrom..
If you cant see their real intentions...then I really dont know what to say...
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Post by chalkedon on Nov 25, 2008 7:40:02 GMT -5
@ Novi.... your support is much appreciated take care...
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Post by Arxileas on Nov 25, 2008 8:45:05 GMT -5
@ Novi....
your support is much appreciated take care... + 1
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Post by Novi Pazar on Nov 25, 2008 18:06:28 GMT -5
"how are they embarressing us? I feil to see how... They named them self after a region, like someone cares. Like other peoples have "real" history... Macedonians are okey poeple... I call them Makedonci... when I see a Makedonac I say.. "Makedonac, gdje si ba u pm..." and he is like "zdravo" and I am like "zdravo" back at him..."
I don't care if they are good or bad people, their name isn't for them. Today they are claiming the name, tomorrow they claim the history, the day after they claim territory.
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Post by Novi Pazar on Nov 25, 2008 18:30:40 GMT -5
"well...apparantly somebody cares. This could be over by now if they accepted North Macedonia or New Macedonia. The Aglo Saxon's done it in america, australia, and new zealand. And they are miles and miles apart...I see no reason why fyrom cant do it since they are SHARING THE REGION OF MACEDONIA between 3 countries. Greece with over 90% Bulgaria and modern day Fyrom.. If you cant see their real intentions...then I really dont know what to say..." Expat, l don't agree with the name New Macedonia or North Macedonia because uneducated people will still associate ancient macedonian history with these people. When the Anglo saxons named New York after York in England, it was anglo's who did so when they settled new land, but to call these slavs the New Macedonians is again totally wrong......they are not New Hellenes
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Post by Novi Pazar on Nov 25, 2008 18:36:45 GMT -5
"your support is much appreciated take care..."
If only funking serbia can unrecognise them as *Macedonia* i will be a very happy man.
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Post by Arxileas on Nov 28, 2008 8:59:57 GMT -5
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Post by panagiotopoulos on Nov 28, 2008 11:59:14 GMT -5
my vote goes for: planet of the apes VERY CREATIVE!!! BRAVO!!! ;D ;D ;D
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Post by Kassandros on Dec 5, 2008 20:51:51 GMT -5
expatriot " if they accepted North Macedonia or New Macedonia" ------------------------------------------------------------------------ North??.. New??.. What do you trying to say expatriot?! If they get these... what makes me? A "South" or "Old" Macedonian?! Are we getting crazy in this world??!! I really dont care if they're good or bad guys. They are NOT MACEDONIANS! They can be everything else they decide to be... except MACEDONIANS! What is that..?! Are we gonna make a "compromise" about our ID??!! Are we getting nuts??!! If somebody tomorow comes and start saying he is you... his name is expatriot and you have the same parents, the same father and mother.... are you gonna compomise with him because he is a cool guy and you dont want to fight with him??!! Are you gonna accept and say.. "ok... you're not exactly me... and lets accept that we only have the same mother? and not father so as not to fight??" I understand these people dont want to name themselves Bulgarians anymore. I understand these people want a separate country and they have every right to have it. Let them do it. Just dont let them confuse history in order to succeed with their plans. Let them just say... "we're Bulgarians but we want a separate state". That would be more fair. They can name their state they way they want.... but... dont use MY name! Me its me and them its them. Any "new", "north" or whatever confuses me and them. Nobody likes to be taken for somebody else. And since I have the Macedonian Sun engraved in my house from 1750 and they have it since the last years when Gruevski took the power... they will have to find the way to differentiate from us. afta..
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