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Post by chalkedon on Dec 6, 2008 15:29:55 GMT -5
File Basil....you misunderstood my comment. Think from this perspective... macedonians = greeks from macedonia. Macedonia is just a region where greeks lived. Now we have a small part of slavs in the same region ( only 10% ) that keep insisting that they are macedonians too since they have been in that region a long time. Their mistake is when they try to make it a distinct non greek nationality. Here is where we come in the picture...for the past 15 yrs these ppl will not understand common sense. So...all im saying is that we should embrace these ppl...teach them greek language and customs and THEN tell them they are official macedonians of an ethnic kind and not just macedonians regionally wise. Starting w/ New or North Macedonia ( which only defines region really and not ethnos ) is fine w/ me. Teach em w/ kindness...its almost impossible to change the minds of a million ppl ( unfortunatly ) Basically...just assimilate them
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Post by kapetan on Dec 6, 2008 17:17:30 GMT -5
This whoe situation is retarded. It's like the UK getting mad at the USA for having New England.
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Post by Novi Pazar on Dec 6, 2008 20:58:12 GMT -5
^ there is a difference, anglos settling new land and taking with them names from the old country. In this case Slavs settling new land (vardar) then naming themselves after a neighbour?
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Post by Emperor AAdmin on Dec 7, 2008 1:41:01 GMT -5
I just noticed some interesting name similarity (god help me if I am turning into mysia lol)v ardaria d ardania The most accepted theory on the origin of the name derives Bardários from the Thracian language, from PIE *(s)wordo-wori-, "black water" [1] (cf. German schwarz "black", Latin suāsum "dirt", Ossetian xuaræn "color", Persian sioh "black", Old Irish sorb "stain, dirt" [2]). This can be considered a translation or similar meaning of Axios, itself Thracian for "not-shining" from PIE *n.-sk(e)i (cf. Avestan axšaēna "dark-colored")[3], and found in another name at the mouth of the Danube, Axíopa "dark water", renamed in Slavic Crna voda "black water" [4]. The name Bardários (Βαρδάριος) was sometimes used by the Ancient Greeks in the 3rd Century BCE; the same name was widely used during Byzantine era. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vardar#Etymology
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Post by rusebg on Dec 7, 2008 4:20:49 GMT -5
Arda River (Maritsa) Arda (Àðäà), Ardas (Αρδας) Origin near Smolyan, Rhodopes, Bulgaria Mouth Maritsa, near Edirne 41°39′39″N 26°29′42″E / 41.66083, 26.495Coordinates: 41°39′39″N 26°29′42″E / 41.66083, 26.495 Basin countries Bulgaria, Greece Length 290 km (241 km in Bulgaria) Source elevation 1,455 m (Ardin vrah) Basin area 5,795 km² The Arda (Bulgarian: Àðäà, Greek: ¨Αρδας, Ardas) is a river whose source lies in the Bulgarian Rhodope Mountains near the town of Smolyan, flowing 290 kilometres eastward past Kardzhali and Ivaylovgrad and through Greece in the northern portion of the Evros prefecture including Kastanies. It then enters the Maritsa (Greek: Έβρος, Evros) just west of Edirne, Turkey. The portion in Bulgaria is accented by three hydroelectric and irrigation dams, Kardzhali Dam, Studen Kladenets and Ivaylovgrad Dam, and is 241 km long, making the Arda the longest river in the Rhodopes. The medieval Dyavolski most arch bridge crosses the river 10 km from Ardino.
;D ;D ;D
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Post by kroraina on Dec 7, 2008 8:05:24 GMT -5
I would suggest a name like 'Karamania'. For the Greek part of Macedonia, that is.
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Post by Kassandros on Dec 7, 2008 18:16:19 GMT -5
Gorštak "This whoe situation is retarded. It's like the UK getting mad at the USA for having New England" ------------------------------------------------------------- Yeah.. with one small issue; Americans dont try to proove that New England... is the real England... and New English are the real English. If that was the case... they would have the same problem. Beleive me. English and Americans are 10 times more nationalists than we are..
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Post by captainalbania on Dec 13, 2008 5:04:58 GMT -5
i voted "i dont care". Does it really matter?
When the Albos and Bulgarian seperatists become the clear majority in 2050 we will rename it to whatever the Greeks like.....
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Post by lozonjare on Dec 13, 2008 12:19:29 GMT -5
Albanians trying to separate from Macedonia is bulls***, I think that they get treated just fine with being allowed to open up their schools and have their own political parties.
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Post by Novi Pazar on Dec 14, 2008 0:44:27 GMT -5
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Post by tyson on Dec 14, 2008 2:01:08 GMT -5
^Bulgarians who doesnt care you are Macedonian? Of course there are such. Actually all accept you as Macedonians. But you are Macedonians in regional sense and Bulgarian in national sense. dont you mean bulgarian in the ethnic sense, because macedonian slavs are not bulgarian nationals. they are nationals of the republic of macedonia or fyrom or whatever you wanna call it.. so maybe regionally and nationality they are fyrom's, and ethnically they are bulgarians. their hearts are for the republic of macedonia, and not bulgaria. they only identify as macedonians/slavs
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Post by ioan on Dec 14, 2008 2:09:53 GMT -5
yeah thats what I meant. They are brainwashed to hate Bulgarians but they are Bulgarians. At least used to till 45.
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Post by Novi Pazar on Dec 14, 2008 17:52:52 GMT -5
^ Warped by the Exarchos?
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Post by ioan on Dec 15, 2008 0:47:21 GMT -5
novi you theory that the fyroms were brainwashed by the Exarchate from Serbs into Bulgarians FOR SEVEN YEARS is great sciencefiction. A nice Serbian fairytales believed by Serbian nationalist to justify their claims on Bulgarian lands.
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Post by Novi Pazar on Dec 15, 2008 6:50:02 GMT -5
^ ioan, do you realise how much influence the Exarchos had on the people. Do you want me to write something about how the Exarchos became?
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Post by Novi Pazar on Dec 15, 2008 6:53:04 GMT -5
"A nice Serbian fairytales believed by Serbian nationalist to justify their claims on Bulgarian lands."
So those historians Bulgarian like Mikov and Zlatarski from whom l quoted etc....are serbian fairytales, l think you have your wires crossed again.
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Post by ioan on Dec 15, 2008 7:19:34 GMT -5
I DEMAND the exact QUOTE of Zlatarski where he says fyroms were EVER Serbs.
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Post by Novi Pazar on Dec 15, 2008 8:00:21 GMT -5
^ your funny mate lmao.....was it you who said that Mikov's estimate of 50,000 bulgars is wrong when they arrived in the Balkans.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Dec 15, 2008 8:25:01 GMT -5
Novi could you bring those source of the Slovenian-Vardarian linguistic connection?
Novi, i heard that the central/western Serbian dialect was Jekavica, and that in the whole Srem (CROATIA INCLUDED) they all spoke Ekavica. Also in the south due to the slovenian connection (slovenes say MLEKO as well) Ekavica prevailed.
Ioan, how do you explain that Vlatko Stefanovski prefers to give concerts in ...... Zagreb rather than ... Sofia? Please answer me that. Where did Tose Proeski die? Where was he touring ? Right ... For me all those maco guys are simply SERBS.
Skoplje was once the capitol of Great Serbia.
Ioan dude, dont get me wrong, i like bulgarians too, but i like to set things on true proportions.
In the end, both bulgarian and Serbian are astonishingly similar.
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Post by rex362 on Dec 15, 2008 10:21:12 GMT -5
Serres was the capital of serbia at one time
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