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Post by Arxileas on Dec 7, 2008 19:52:32 GMT -5
Damn these anarchists, have so much freedom to burn, bomb, destroy with impunity in Greece that they don't expect any consequences !!! It surely won’t bring back this 15 year old by doing these latest lootings and rampagings.
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Post by Arxileas on Dec 7, 2008 20:06:22 GMT -5
Bottom line, this event shows how weak the greek police are, which reflects the weak state of the greek authorities/govt. I disagree, this is what true democracy is all about. When the Government is afraid of the people there is true democracy, in a state where there is no freedoms of expression the people are afraid of the Governments. These people are allowed to express them self’s as they wanted to and sadly we had this happen it’s highly regrettable that it happened. The price of true democracy comes at a price as well. I agree. .
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Post by Kanaris on Dec 7, 2008 20:31:44 GMT -5
Well that answers why so many Albanian youth are in trouble with the law in Greece..... now let's get back to the topic...I remember last year or so France had similar problems... Anybody remember this ... yes it happened in a EU country... >>Italy.... Italian police shot and killed this youth..... Italy like a G8 country..oh wait Montreal police shot and killed a youth last month in a park ..for just being there..... what were you saying Albanian? How some Albs like to jab Greeks just for the fuk of it.... while at the same time forget to look the rotting mayhem in their own backyards... right in the middle of Europe...
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Post by Duke John on Dec 7, 2008 20:59:33 GMT -5
Kanaris take it easy, the greek police fucked up really bad this time, why all that defence mechanism? and why all that trying to justify the death of that 15 years old KID!? Albanians that posted in this thread feel sorry for that poor kid and some of the greeks try to justify the death of that child! instead of feeling sorry for that kid you try to defend that imbecile policeman.
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Post by Kanaris on Dec 7, 2008 21:05:54 GMT -5
I am against anarchists and 15 year old kids that roam the streets. Simple..I am on the cops side.I brought up my kids to be responsible members of this earth community.... I want other dead beat parents to do the same.Is that asking too much?
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Post by raynon on Dec 7, 2008 21:25:56 GMT -5
I disagree, this is what true democracy is all about. When the Government is afraid of the people there is true democracy, in a state where there is no freedoms of expression the people are afraid of the Governments. These people are allowed to express them self’s as they wanted to and sadly we had this happen it’s highly regrettable that it happened. The price of true democracy comes at a price as well. The true test of any democracy is how well the govt. responds to the healthy criticism of the people, this govt. was hired to serve. I'm sure your cops know very well how to use tear gas, or even bean bags but bullets against children? Even in our worst prisons in the US, guards use bean bags and tear gas to disperse or stop some of their most volatile criminals. But, if govts respond to their people's criticism and make the changes that are generally accepted by society, in quick response to people's requests, then, there probably wouldn't be any children on the streets throwing rocks at cops. Parents would be near their kids, guiding them in their homework assignments and other chores of their home. "How some Albs like to jab Greeks just for the fuk of it.... while at the same time forget to look the rotting mayhem in their own backyards... right in the middle of Europe..." No one is jabbing at Greeks, every nation has similar problems with their youth. For the Balkans, most of these nations have been looking to Greece as the EU examplar model of govts vs people/children civil exchanges of criticisms and actions taken to alleviate the public criticism. It just seems to be true what another poster here said, that Greek police seem to have overstepped their boundary between legal and illegal action taken to quell criticism of their past behavior. Even if it was just another incident of a rock thrown at a policeman by a child.
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Post by hellboy87 on Dec 7, 2008 21:31:38 GMT -5
HA HA TO THAT BOY!!!!!!!!!!
I dont know,among my problems about being an adult,reaching adult age is that I can beat up a kid.You know kids? Their stupid.They do this shit thing to you and your just suppose to do nothing? And the brat gets away?
I seem hate anyone younger than me.I WANT TO BE THE BABY!!!!!! I'm 21 now
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Post by Kanaris on Dec 7, 2008 21:37:01 GMT -5
21....? You're 1 year older than my son..stay in school and eat your smarties. ;D
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Post by Arxileas on Dec 7, 2008 22:51:54 GMT -5
The true test of any democracy is how well the govt. responds to the healthy criticism of the people, this govt. was hired to serve. I beg to differ, this is the perfect opportunity for the Greek citizens to see what these anarchists are all about and to be dealt with by the Greek people and not by the government who if used heavy tactics would have been accused of human right violations, damn if you use force damn if you don’t for some who cannot understand when you should respect the laws or by our agenda driven neighbours who would jump at every opportunity to drive in their agendas. I support the police over these anarchists... That's your opinion and Greece isn't as hostile as America is to it's citizens remember ? Democracy is at work in Greece for the people of Greece.
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Post by raynon on Dec 7, 2008 23:41:49 GMT -5
^^There's a difference between being a good citizen and a nationalists. You are the second, Greece--right or wrong!! Those who criticize and expect more or better or just minimal respect and civil treatment from their police are the first. Bec. they pay the wages of that killer policeman.
Hope that family exacts a great financial penalty from that policeman. Make him know he works for those people on the street, not the other way around.
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Post by Teuta1975 on Dec 7, 2008 23:42:11 GMT -5
It doesn't matter whether one is 15 or 35; if he/she is an unarmed civilian, the police cannot shoot! Police is to protect civilians against criminals (what was his crime?) and not kill them. I can forgive the 15 years old boy who may have been immature, but I cannot forgive the stupid crowd that burned the city and made things worse! Now, police should have shot against the crowd instead! However, policemen should be as smart as to shoot on air first and then capture the youngsters without killing them. I think Basil is right.
PS: Kanaris, these events have happened also in other countries and no one is denying it. I naively thought people should have learned by their past mistakes...
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Post by Arxileas on Dec 8, 2008 1:00:38 GMT -5
The minister and I agree. Also the police officer in question was arrested pending an investigation.
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Post by ILIRI I MADH on Dec 8, 2008 3:09:27 GMT -5
Lol in Macedonia not only we throw rocks at cops, but we beat the hell out of the cops lmao
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Post by ILIRI I MADH on Dec 8, 2008 3:20:27 GMT -5
and you will have riots like this if you base your identity on religion and let anybody who is willing to change their name to greek and religion to orthodox in order to be greek...that is why it is better to base your identity on your real ethnic background.
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Post by chalkedon on Dec 8, 2008 6:17:39 GMT -5
Its funny and somewhat tragic for certain ppl in this forum that reside in the US criticize Greek police...I can provide you hundreds of links from liveleak or even youtube that show police shootings of youngsters on almost an everyday basis in the US. Kids getting shot for pulling squirtguns out....and yet here in Greece the cops get the piss beaten out of them and they never react. Hell they cant even cross universtiy grounds for Christs sake ! Ive never seen ppl get away w/ chit as they do here in Greece...You cant even bad mouth a cop in the US and ppl here are saying that Greece has a problem with excessive force ?!
FYI - the kid that got shot is from Filothei...rich kid that had nothing else better to do than hang in Exarchia.. Its a shame for him that he paid the price of these everyday punks that do nothing positive for society except brake other ppls property.
In the US this shooting would of been justified without any major headlines...in Greece all Hell brakes loose...i wonder which society is more sensitive to human life..
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Post by Patrinos on Dec 8, 2008 6:36:58 GMT -5
I wonder why the Greeks abroad here seem to be with the cops' side. Guys, it was a 15 years old kid. Police is here, and we pay them to protect us not to kill anybody...We are not USA where the cops are free to shoot em up...Acts like these increase the antiexousiastikes thoughts in Greece. You know,Greeks never identified with the Greek state, from the beginning(1830) under the Bavarians and all the way after under the Glyxbourg malakes with their organs the horofylakes, who they were nothing else than komplexikoi uneducated vlachoi who acted like they were turkalvanoi agades in their tsifliki. Their inheritors survived in a way in today police and one of them it was the "gamao" 38 y.o. guy with 3 children. We must note the difference between the policemen entering the police via panhelladic tests in school and the others, the eidikoi frouroi(...special guards) who are guys who don't have any qualifications just their... political party card...the 38 y.o. guy was one of the latter. Supporting the police isn't obligatory to be a patriot. I served last year the Greek special forces from Rhodes to Olympos and I don't accept guys like the Exarcheia's killer to wear in his arm the national emblem and pretend to act for the good of Greece._ Ilir, those who accept to change their name and religion in order to be assimilated into Greek society just lessen the value of their ...previous identity(in your case the albanian...) not the value of being a Hellene!
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Post by chalkedon on Dec 8, 2008 6:55:03 GMT -5
Patrinos...afta ta paidia einai kolopaida...mou exouani spas ta arxidia se kathimerini basi. Telika o 15 xronos plirose to timima gia tis malakies tous. Poly aera exounai pari ta malakismena....spane ta panda kai den sylabete kanenas ! pote !
Kai esi mou les gia astynomisi...pou einai ? pouthena den yparxi kai giafto exei katadisi ellada bourdelo...
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Post by chalkedon on Dec 8, 2008 6:56:11 GMT -5
prosexe omos...den simeni oti to thanato to padio einai dikioligimeni...
Einai apla ena megalo krima...gia afton kai oikogenia tou
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Post by Patrinos on Dec 8, 2008 7:00:00 GMT -5
Yes you are right. 3 of my best buddies are cops in Athens. And sometimes I...ask them to give a kick in the ass to one of these so called anarchists(most times guys from rich families). BUT it is another thing to street fight with these malakes and another to kill them... As I was informed by my friends in Athens yesterday police was ordered not to enter Exarcheia, that means all that area was unprotected even if police's job is to protect everyone's property and life...
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Post by Kassandros on Dec 8, 2008 13:06:56 GMT -5
Thats a good one... news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7771628.stmRebellion deeply embedded in Greece The BBC's Malcolm Brabant looks at why student anger has erupted across Greece over Saturday's fatal police shooting of a teenage boy ...Oxi" day commemorates 28 October 1940, when Greek leader Ioannis Metaxas used that single word to reply to Mussolini's ultimatum to allow Italy to invade Greece, propelling his nation into World War II. When Greeks say no, they mean it in spades. Rebellion is deeply embedded in the Greek psyche. The students and school children who are now laying siege to police stations and trying to bring down the government are undergoing a rite of passage. They may be the iPod generation, but they are the inheritors of a tradition that goes back centuries, when nuns would rather hurl themselves to death from mountain convents than submit to the ravages of Greece's Turkish Ottoman invaders... Now you know
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