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Post by tyson on Dec 17, 2008 6:09:56 GMT -5
are those Arab guys back from Guantanamo super religious? yes they are. they are called "wahabi camel-humpers" . dont forget
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Post by Ja Ona i Pivo on Dec 17, 2008 6:17:43 GMT -5
are those Arab guys back from Guantanamo super religious? yes they are. they are called "wahabi camel-humpers" . dont forget x2
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Post by hellboy87 on Dec 17, 2008 6:23:15 GMT -5
camel humpers???
then Bosniaks must be......
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Post by bosanskinovi on Dec 17, 2008 6:30:50 GMT -5
Do these men speak Bosnian?
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Post by markosijekira on Dec 17, 2008 6:35:07 GMT -5
I think there will be a violent backlash against immigrant Muslims in Europe in the coming decades. I don't like that at all, but I can see it happening, with the Muslim population growing in most European countries, growing misunderstandings, lack of integration in host societies, poor economic condition for the immigrants and radicalization in some parts, the fear and mistrust growing among Europeans, and the rise in popularity of right wing parties is alarming. You may not see it in the national polls, but more and more right parties are gaining ground, especially in smaller communities, slowly they are creeping up all over the place, using people’s fears and doubts into what is to come, to gain stronger foothold. If the current economic downturn turns for the worse, and if the fertility rates for natives vs immigrants keep up like this, or get worse, in the years to come people will look for scapegoats. I don’t know, I could be wrong of course, but I feel that Europe is heading for some dark times in the near future, I have seen the NPD operate in Leipzig first hand, they are sneaky devils, and people are listing to what they preach, many don’t admit what they feel because of the stigma still attached to NPD and parties like it, but the quietly agree, it was creepy to see that.
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Post by Arthur Kane on Dec 17, 2008 7:10:56 GMT -5
lol you said arab like that in itself is wrong nah, i dont have anything against arabs as a peoples. not even the wahabis, but just those wahabi arabs who are and or have came to bosnia, and the balkans in general. they have no place there in our backyard. i could give a flying fukk if these arab wahabis wanna go around in the desert chopping each others heads off, and genetal mutilating their women in algeria or saudi arabia, or any of those countries. just stay the hell out of our backyard. ps. i have lebanese friends. some christian but musly muslims, and they are the coolest people, and they're all moderate muslims. some of them wear the hijab, which is completely cool, nothin wrong with that. their families are hardcore lebanese nationalists, and i can relate to their patriotism for their country. the shiia ones love hassan nasrallah & hizbollah. I'm trying to figure out if you're against this violence you described above or are you just against Arabs doing it in a particular geographic area? Would you also be calling for the expulsion of Balkan natives committing the same acts of violence in the same area? I find it rather disturbing that violence like this doesn't bother you if it is committed in a certain 'other' geographic area. It seems that you are ok with the violence you described and your only standard of discrimination is geographic location. Doesn't seem very logical to me. I don't see consistency on your part. Sorry.
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Post by Arthur Kane on Dec 17, 2008 7:12:04 GMT -5
I sympathies with the Hezbollah, at least in the sense that the Lebanese civil war and the things that lead up to it was a power struggle between the Christians and the Sunnis, and the Shi’as who had no say in politics at that time were caught in the middle of this struggle and suffered accordingly. Eventually they had enough and decided to fight for their rights, and Hezbollah was born. Read some very good books on the Lebanon Civil war. I find this hypocritical.
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Post by Arthur Kane on Dec 17, 2008 7:21:58 GMT -5
I think there will be a violent backlash against immigrant Muslims in Europe in the coming decades. I don't like that at all, but I can see it happening, with the Muslim population growing in most European countries, growing misunderstandings, lack of integration in host societies, poor economic condition for the immigrants and radicalization in some parts, the fear and mistrust growing among Europeans, and the rise in popularity of right wing parties is alarming. You may not see it in the national polls, but more and more right parties are gaining ground, especially in smaller communities, slowly they are creeping up all over the place, using people’s fears and doubts into what is to come, to gain stronger foothold. If the current economic downturn turns for the worse, and if the fertility rates for natives vs immigrants keep up like this, or get worse, in the years to come people will look for scapegoats. I don’t know, I could be wrong of course, but I feel that Europe is heading for some dark times in the near future, I have seen the NPD operate in Leipzig first hand, they are sneaky devils, and people are listing to what they preach, many don’t admit what they feel because of the stigma still attached to NPD and parties like it, but the quietly agree, it was creepy to see that. Interesting analysis. But the hypocrisies displayed by both non-Muslim European governments and Muslim faith communities will likely result in violence. The faithful Muslims will never truly accept a 'multi-cultural' or secular society. As they believe their religion is the greatest good, they believe that eventually the european secular democracies will have to crumble in the shadow of Islam. Likewise, the democracies themselves are laced with contradictory foundations and simply cannot please everyone and give each individual what they want. The democracies know that as the muslim population grows the muslims can participate in the democratic governments and use the very institution of democracy to expand their influence. Larger populations that claim unity can use the democratic processes to rule over everyone else, hence , the mobocracies. The Right will gain traction and will appeal to those who want to 'reform' democracy ( i.e. under mind it) because of the reasons mentioned above. Democracies will fall due to their own internal inconsistencies.
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Post by tito on Dec 17, 2008 7:28:04 GMT -5
I think there will be a violent backlash against immigrant Muslims in Europe in the coming decades. I don't like that at all, but I can see it happening, with the Muslim population growing in most European countries, growing misunderstandings, lack of integration in host societies, poor economic condition for the immigrants and radicalization in some parts, the fear and mistrust growing among Europeans, and the rise in popularity of right wing parties is alarming. You may not see it in the national polls, but more and more right parties are gaining ground, especially in smaller communities, slowly they are creeping up all over the place, using people’s fears and doubts into what is to come, to gain stronger foothold. If the current economic downturn turns for the worse, and if the fertility rates for natives vs immigrants keep up like this, or get worse, in the years to come people will look for scapegoats. I don’t know, I could be wrong of course, but I feel that Europe is heading for some dark times in the near future, I have seen the NPD operate in Leipzig first hand, they are sneaky devils, and people are listing to what they preach, many don’t admit what they feel because of the stigma still attached to NPD and parties like it, but the quietly agree, it was creepy to see that. www.damirniksic.com/webaudio/05%20otpisani.mp3
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Post by Ja Ona i Pivo on Dec 17, 2008 7:40:15 GMT -5
There's no single reason why they should be sent away if they are innocent, actually they deserve support if they have been illegally held and tortured for 7 years. And you wonder why serbs dont want to live in a "multiethnic" soceity Dont think croats either would live with those scumbags..
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Post by tito on Dec 17, 2008 7:45:17 GMT -5
There's no single reason why they should be sent away if they are innocent, actually they deserve support if they have been illegally held and tortured for 7 years. And you wonder why serbs dont want to live in a "multiethnic" soceity Dont think croats either would live with those scumbags.. All citizens of BiH have the same rights, that includes the serbs and croats. After all BiH is supposed to be a democracy so you cant expect us to discriminate BH-citizens just like that. Those serbs who are against the idea that all BH-citizens should be treated equally can always move to Serbia.
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Post by Arthur Kane on Dec 17, 2008 8:00:45 GMT -5
Tito, it really depends on what you mean by 'rights?' and what is 'equal.' Democracies, by definition cannot provide equality in the sense you are thinking about simply because in order for a democracy to work it necessarily divides individuals into minorities and majorities. A democracy is contradictory when it claims that majority rule is valid ( i.e. voting) yet also completely denies rule of majority by trying to guarantee individual rights. Since the individual is the smallest minority in any society, a system cannot claim to represent the majority while simultaneously try to put the individual's rights first.
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Post by tyson on Dec 17, 2008 8:03:37 GMT -5
camel humpers??? then Bosniaks must be...... why would bosniaks be? there's no camels in bosnia. lol bosniaks are europeans, and tradionally moderate muslims.
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Post by tito on Dec 17, 2008 8:08:04 GMT -5
Tito, it really depends on what you mean by 'rights?' and what is 'equal.' You are right, the serb and croat minorities in BiH do have some privileges that the process of democratization will have to deal with, but that doesn’t mean that we should give up on democracy and the ideal of equal rights and equal treatment of all BH-citizens. In fact we should work even harder to free BiH from the injustices which where forced upon BiH by aggression and genocide.
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