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Post by szorostalpu1 on Dec 29, 2008 8:58:32 GMT -5
"First of all the Germans were a frigging 10% of population and concentrated in small areas. And their political power diminshed with every single day. That`s why they raised against Hungarians too"
wbb(arab bacsika) is right.....while Hungary was under the hapsburgs there was an intense germanification...foreigners,slavs and vlachs were brought into the Hungarian kingdom to dilute the Magyar population even more. and yeah the hapsburgs did promise you romanians freedom lol you sided with them as did the Russians, thats the only way the Magyar were defeated. While the hapsburgs and russians fought us outright, your little avram iancu and his band of shepards were pillaging, burning and raping defensless Hungarian villages.
The Martyrs of Arad, the 13 Hungarian generals of the Hungarian Liberation Fight of 1848, who were executed on October 6, 1849, in Arad, by the Habsburg military authorities led by Haynau. This modest obelisk was erected on October 6, 1881, but there was a large monument on the main square of Arad, erected on October 6, 1890, which was sadly torn down by the nationalistic Rumanian state administration, after Transylvania was annexed to Rumania, in 1921. The monument carries the names of the 13 Hungarian heroes, who shed their blood for the benefit of not only the Hungarians but every ethnicity in Transylvania. Nine were hanged : Lajos Aulich, János Damjanich, Károly Knezich, György Lahner, Károly Leiningen, József Nagy-Sándor, Ernõ Pöltenberg, Ignác Török and Károly Vécsey; four were shot: Arisztid Dessewffy, Ernõ Kiss, Vilmos Lázár and József Schweidel. Under this little monument rest the remains of 11 of the 13 generals, which were placed here on the 125th anniversary of their execution.
Articles: Images of Transylvania, Part II - Historical Text ArchiveThey looted and burned the Bethlen College, too, and took a great care to destroy only ... Later, Avram Iancu went insane, and he was seen for years wandering ..... Conquest of Transylvania in 896, Nagyszeben became a Hungarian village. ... historicaltextarchive.com/sections.php?op=viewarticle&artid=524 - 56k - Cached - Similar pages
read it and learn somethng...
"the extreme beauty of Hungarian language and culture, a beauty that converts instantly any other culture ?
lol....yeah, with magical powers, do you even have any shred of common sense
"Damn you discovered the truth. Now hurry up and bring to justice the impostors who claim the 90% Romanian numbers : Encyclopedia Brittanica; CIA - Factsbook and so on "
Now where do you think the "CIA Fact Book" gets its information?....from the countries government ITSELF. "ROmania's govn't is one of the most corrupt, notorious lying and falsifying govn'ts in Europe.
"Where the hell tells about Wallachians and Moldovans moving to the Transylvania in millions. Please point me that line. Or do you think the only cities in the whole country were in Transylvania ?"
"that economic growth did not provide training and jobs for them but served as a pretext for the massive influx of ethnic Romanian workers. Thus, whereas ethnic Hungarians had to leave their homeland to find employment in the Old Kingdom region, ethnic Romanians were offered incentives to relocate to Transylvania"
The major population increases were in Transylvanian cities.... more than half of the largest cities in romania are located in Transylvania.
don't bring your bulls**t propaganda here...I know all about your country and what type of people you romanians are.
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Post by Dragos Voda on Dec 29, 2008 12:46:31 GMT -5
"the extreme beauty of Hungarian language and culture, a beauty that converts instantly any other culture ?
lol....yeah, with magical powers, do you even have any shred of common sense Not me...I am not Hungarian nor do I wish to be. lvl100: don't argue with these idiots. The only one who has any common sense is the goulash head Yeni.
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Post by wbb on Dec 30, 2008 2:54:01 GMT -5
Havent u read my word? there was no such things as Hungarian arpatheid type, forced Magyarisation policy existed, ever!!! If u did but know. There wasnt any arpatheid in hungary ever, except for the Magyar muslim tribes who suffered under King Coloman's law of demolishing the Magyar ishmaelite people, forcing to eat pork, forcing to marry the people of the book, as we muslims regard the christians as People of the Book. Then after that Coloman made islam illegal in Hungary, that's not magyarisation, that Christianisation, the muslim people were still Magyars except for their native religion. Your Transylvanian Memorandum or whatever u call it, was just nothing more than a petition itself that sent to who? definately not the Hungarians, Franz Josef, yeah in Schonbrunn palace. He rejected it, not the Hungarians. Like i said before, Germans broke their promise for u. And i doubt that this Transylvanian Memorandum was sented by Franz Josef to Budapest, because Hungarian parliament (it was still an assembly or counsil actually) havent receive any of this petition, if we did, we of course straight away would of granted the Romanian minority their rights. And another thing this petition was sent by Romanian National Party in Transylvania, a nationalist Party. So we can see our very eyes, who's more nationalist than ever= Romanians. No wonder Austria rejected this, they fear of the growing power of their minorities that's including Hungarian would soon erupted if this petition was accepted, then Austria would soon be into chaos and anarchy in which they prevented it with their wisdom. Hungarians was their largest minority they have to take care of, if they lose Hungarians, that's means it's all over for Austria's Hasburg empire. Those authors who was sent to jail was sentenced by under Hasburg law, not Hungary's law, there was no Hungarian law in Hungary at that time, law in Hungary was Hasburg law also. So overally Germans oppressed the romanians, not the Hungarians but hardly that because Austria-Hungary was the most reformed nation in Europe for their minorities. This Transylvanian Memorandum was nothing more than a big provocation to demolish the multi-ethnic reformed kingdom state by those extremist Romanian nationalist politicians. And this Transylvanian Memorandum is very little known, there's no connected oppinions by any other people except for the romanians, and there's not a single letter of this petition in the older written documents written by professionals at that time except for the modern version document. So suprisingly Transylvanian Memorandum is also another innovations and fabricated document written by xenophobic racist romanians after Romania's annexation of Transylvania for their little excuse to justify their ethnic cleansing against Hungarian minorities.
u are over exaggerating with ur friggin dirty romanian propanganda. That's the fact.
Where the hell did u get this stupid remarkable propanganda? Funar? Ceacescsu? Iancu? who??? If Hungary didnt recognised Orthodox Christianity, none of those Orthodox churches would stand till today, orthodox churces doesnt have to look like a friggin dome shaped mosque-like which the orthodox christians stole it from a islamic artitect. Orthodox priest bought, built enough orthodox churches in Hungary's land. For example in Carpathian Ruthenia, Ruthenians are Orthodox since from the start, did we abolished their religion? no i dont think so, again u talking chit with ur brainwashed romanian propanganda, what kind of books are u reading? have u failed ur university of Bucharest history test? if i were u i wouldnt waste my time and money by being enrolled by those friggin univeristy of Bucharest who gives u a bad gypsy fabricated lesson, with uneducated romanian proffesors.
exactly what i wanted to ask u in the first place, where in Youtube flooded with bunch of young xenophobic dikheads like u polluting the whole hungarian subject with this garbage word...Muslim terrorist.
what other ethnicities can we find in Transylvania, apart from ur gypsy cousin of urs, germans, serbs, croats, turks, ukranians? Didnt Romania destroyed the Islamic island of Ada-Kaleh (Ujorsova) with their friggin worthless gypsy-made dam they were building around Iron Gate area? An island full of Muslim Turks, and Hungary's most popular muslim site for tourist to visit the Ada-Kaleh mecset (mosque) and Hungary's largest bazaars flooded with wasting toxic water all over the island? one can tell that Arab-Islam world hates Romanians 500 times more than ethnicities in Transylvania hates Hungarians.
and Romanians siding with the Germans was another logic solution too, that's why Austrian empire lasted so long. And i tell 1 last time for sure, Hungarians dont have their power in Austrian empire to give Romanians their rights. Hungarians arent God, Allah or Jesus or Israel or friggin Buddha to give u powers, isnt it right? Stop depending too much on Hungarians, depend on urselves before anything else.
just a question and plz answer my question fast. Under who's law? to start and end with? Hungary didnt have their law, then who's law was it? Chinese law? Amazon law? Gypsy law? African law? Islamic law? Micheal Jackson's law? Jehovah's witness law? who's law?
and for us? ah who cares, Hungarians are not human being? More conflict and extremism than ever into the Balkan region no?
does every writting document haves to be about the cruelity of Hungarians and no one else? Was Puskas Ferenc or Hidegkuti Nandor was evil?
yes that's right, the anti-hungarian sentiment which was started by Romania itself, Romania!!! the birth place of anti-hungarian sentiment and anti-hungarian xenophobic propanganda. U hated us not we hated u.
where the hell i said all this sentences including w**res, kill u, cut ur throat which i didnt said. U think i kinda enjoy the friggin Jerry Seinfeld comedy show u putting on our forums? with Hungarians this and that? tell me, what have u succeed from the very start of this topic till all the way down to page 3 with ur remarkable garbage chity talks that comes from ur silly big mouths that someone needs to shut it up?
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Post by lvl100 on Dec 30, 2008 2:56:43 GMT -5
The reason i laughed so hard when i first read this is that over the years and i didnt found this "germanification" even on the most biased Hungarian sites. Apparently this idea was too absurd even for them. But certainly its not for you. And why did we accepted ?. Becouse we didnt have freedom And that wasn't because of a handful of Germans where even a part of them were serfs, exactly like Romanians. Your shitty theory doesn't have a snowball chance in hell in reality. The Germans always had a positive feedback from Romanians. But that would require to actually have a clue about Romanians history , isnt it ? Actually that monument is a very good example of Romania`s good will for its minorities. Your 13 Generals, maybe they are Hungarian heroes,martyrs or whatever, but they killed 40,000 Romanians in that war and it carries an extreme negative image in Romanian`s mentality. Its like Japanese would make monuments with the American planes who dropped the A-bombs. The very fact that this monument was allowed , and the reaction against it was sporadic and insignificant ,speaks a lot about Romanians tolerance. Sorry to break it down to you, but every other ethnicity in Transylvania were fighting precisely for the purpose of GTFO and STFU of the Hungarians. Its really impressive how you guys succeeded to be hated by so many nations those days. Ask wbb about common sense , not me. He was the one who claimed something like everyone who gets in touch with the Hungarian culture, easily forgets his own and after that one will never give up on it Of course thats why is a point of reference on internet, becouse is just a copy&paste site BUt lets forget about it. How about the famous Encyclopedia Brittanica is it chit too ? As usual talking out of your a$$ and inventing things on the way. Did you even bothered to check a list of Romanian cities ? TOP 10 Cities distribution : 3 in Transilvania ; 7 for the rest of the country. www.zf.ro/poze/3086105/
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Post by lvl100 on Dec 30, 2008 6:15:09 GMT -5
Havent u read my word? there was no such things as Hungarian arpatheid type, forced Magyarisation policy existed, ever!!! Magyarisation on NationMaster Of course you would . Hungary have an old history of respecting minority rights Yeah, those nationalist motherfuckers , wanting to have the same rights and not be treated like an underclass Let me spell it for you : equal rights its all they asked. The Memorandum was in 1892 But already since 1867 , Hungarians had almost full power over Transylvania due to Ausgleich. Lets see what is this Ausgleich ( From History.com and NationMaster) "By the provisions of the compromise (Ausgleich) constitution, as finally adopted in March 1867, Austria and Hungary became dual monarchies, under one ruler. The constitution granted Hungary full sovereignty in the conduct of internal affairs "The former revolutionaries — German and Magyar — became de facto "peoples of state", each ruling half of a twin country united only at the top through the Emperor-King and the common Ministries of Foreign Affairs and of War. Each half of the country had its own Prime Minister and parliament: in Hungary the Diet was restored to power. The special status of Transylvania and the Military Border ended: a new Nationalities Law was intended to preserve the rights of ethnic minorities, but was often violated in practice.In order to protect their new influence, the Magyar leadership pursued a policy that disenfranchised most of the nationalities of the Empire You blame it on the Germans, but the chit really hit the fan only Hungarians took over the full control One of the first hits on google is a biased pro Hungarian site. But even they talk about Transylvanian Memorandum. OMGWTFBBQ www.hungarian-history.hu/lib/transy/transy03.htm Where ? On the thousands of videos with "dead to gypsy Romanians" chit fest ? 1)Uhm , thats patch of land had like 500 m , i dont know if that qualifies it as an "island" 2) There is no state on this planet that stops huge engineering projects that benefits a whole country because of tiny island or village. Absolutely none. 3) all their historic thingies was moved to Simian Island Yeah but only if that "one" is some kind of Hungarian-Arab ( i still dont know exactlly the connection) whith an amazing level of frustration, that probably because he is able to express his hate from two different points of view : Hungarian and muslim one. Now read above, up up , a little more, up. There you have it. Ausgleich What about you. You have your own national state. And from the point of minorities , Romania was promoted as a good for example from the presidents of USA `till the EU leaders and commissions Personally i dont give a flying fuck about all this history and who pissed before a tree 1000 years ago. I have lived an important part of my life between Hungarians and we were just fine, they didn't cared too. Its only when i`m seeing the same " Hungarians are pure creatures of light and only gypsy beggars rapist Romanians are to blame for everything from Adam&Eve ousting from Eden to the acid rains and bad coverage for your cellphone. Only then i must point out your hypocrisy. What i was saying above ? Heh you just prove my point. The capacity/incapacity of Hungarians to tune on the modern era,the breaking of Austro-Hungarian empire, the former ethnic policies, the "XX-national states century" line of thought, and every other complex movements that took place explained in a few words : Only Romanians are to blame, tfor what happened in half of Europe . OMG i didnt knew we have such awesome powers . I must call the President to make a plan to take over the world. Now nobody will stop us ! Do you hear me ? NOBODY ! bwahahahahaha
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Post by szorostalpu1 on Dec 30, 2008 10:59:09 GMT -5
" but they killed 40,000 Romanians in that war and it carries an extreme negative image in Romanian`s mentality." lol...source During the Hungarian Liberation Fight of 1848, the Rumanian population of Transylvania sided the Habsburgs and turned against the first nation Hungarians. Since November 1848, while Hungary was fighting her life-and-death battle for independence, terrorist Rumanian troops, lead by Axente Sever, Avram Iancu, Prodán Probu, were going on killing sprees in Transylvania, also in Nagyenyed. On January 8, 1849, after they forced the terrified Hungarian population to sign the statement of loyalty to the Habsburg throne, they killed 800 innocent civilian Hungarians. The Rumanian attackers ousted the rest of the Hungarians to the cold empty fields, in the clothes they had just on, and continued to devastate Nagyenyed until November 11. They looted and burned the Bethlen College, too, and took a great care to destroy only the precious, old documents revealing the history of the Hungarians in Transylvania. Apparently, they had the expertise, since Axente Sever studied theology and Avram Iancu was a lawyer, they were not just a simple mob. (It is worth to mention that, to "honour their achievements", Axente Sever and Avram Iancu received prizes, such as the Golden Cross from the Habsburg emperor, and the Saint Anna Cross from Michael, the Russian tzar. But it did not take them long to turn against their Austrian lords, either. In a short while, the Habsburg authorities arrested both of them, Avram Iancu was physically assaulted seriously, but later both released. Later, Avram Iancu went insane, and he was seen for years wandering aimlessly in the Rumanian mountains blowing a recorder. Axente Sever died as a quiet retired pensioner in Brassó). On the wall, right to the entrance of the fortress of Nagyenyed, a small plaque remembers the 800 slaughtered innocent Hungarians who are buried under this plaque. historicaltextarchive.com/sections.php?op=viewarticle&artid=524 - 56k - These are your heroes?......cowards, traitors, rapists, child murderers "The Germans always had a positive feedback from Romanians." of course....$$$$$$$ how many Deutsch Marks per head? "Its really impressive how you guys succeeded to be hated by so many nations those days." lol......like romanians are hated today "Actually that monument is a very good example of Romania`s good will for its minorities." like the statue of Avram iancu....rapist and child murderer in Kolozsvar "Of course you would . Hungary have an old history of respecting minority rights" "(Unius linguae uniusque moris regnum. imbecille et fragile est)". In a letter to his son St. Emeric in 1036, King Stephen wrote: “Make strangers welcome in this land, let them keep their languages and their customs, for weak and fragile is the realm which is based on a single language or on a single set of customs.” King Stephen felt multiculturalism was the key to strength in the Balkans; Is that why over 40% of the population of the Hungarian kingdom was foreign by 1910 "You blame it on the Germans, but the chit really hit the fan only Hungarians took over the full control" Transylvania was either part of Hungary or an independent Hungarian principality since the 10 th century...(Ausgleich) lol the germans were the ones who played the different nationalities against one another. Who did we wrestle control of Transylvania from...? slavs peasants? the ficticious glad, gelou and menmorat? "I have lived an important part of my life between Hungarians and we were just fine, they didn't cared too." ah....so now I see where your frustration comes from.... you and your family are probably one of the 2 million romanians imported to Transylvania from wallachia and moldva. Did your family relocate after WW1 or WW2? Is that why Tokes Laszlo and 99% of all Hungarians in Transylvania are fighting for autonomy. "TOP 10 Cities distribution : 3 in Transilvania ; 7 for the rest of the country. www.zf.ro/poze/3086105/1. Bucharest 2. Constanta 3. Iaºi 4. Cluj-Napoca 5. Timiºoara 6. Galaþi 7. Braºov 8. Craiova 9. Ploieºti 10. Brãila 11. Oradea 12. Bacãu 13. Arad 14. Piteºti 15. Sibiu 16. Târgu Mureº 17. Baia Mare 18. Buzau 19. Satu Mare 20. Botoºani www.emporis.com/en/wm/co/?id=100136 "Now nobody will stop us ! Do you hear me ? NOBODY ! bwahahahahaha " gypsy laughter....lol you scare me your arguments are pathetic...now get lost, back to your gypsy forum
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Post by Dragos Voda on Dec 30, 2008 20:12:11 GMT -5
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Post by szorostalpu1 on Dec 30, 2008 22:21:46 GMT -5
Corvinus Library - Hungarian HistoryAtrocities and ethnic cleansing committed against Hungarians and others in Europe:. The Gulag. Brády, Zoltán: Dobsina Available as a PDF file (15 kB) ... www.hungarianhistory.com/lib/atrocit.htm - 4k -
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Post by wbb on Dec 31, 2008 3:14:40 GMT -5
heh, it's doesnt even have a link to it. amd even if it does, nationmaster is not a website to read, u read a friggin old 120 years old books, not friggin modern version or of any types which support the romanian imperialism.
and u find that's funny? look up ur romanian history on how u treated all of romania's minorities and look up on moldova, how she treated her minorities. Hungarians for most of the time treated her minorities with respect even romanian minorities. We still do except for the criminals that's has been imported from romania, while u call Hungary and Hungarians evil on our minorities when we export the criminals out of our country. It's so irony.
i didnt say motherf**kers, just nationalist and romanians did have their own rights in Transylvania. How many more rights they need more than the hungarians in Transylvania to destabilised Austrian empire?
dont mention this memorandum crap, just as fabricated as magyarisation written by a young bored dorks who failed their university test. Hungarians didnt fully control Transylvania, cause if we did then Romanians wouldnt be oppressed by those stinky blondy germans. That's the difference.
yeah i can see that, those hungarians are just as friggin dumb as u are, there's not a big different between those hungarians who created a website and put this scandalous transylvania memorandum in their website and u, both of u are the same kind of chit. Taught with wrong lessons with the most dumbest proffessors i ever seen from my eyes.
maybe if u open ur eyes a bit and have a good look around youtube, then u'll can see there's romanians in every corner preaching their garbage pollution chit on the net. dont deny this chit or else i gonna have to link to link u one by one on youtube, and u'll straight away will see it.
a what?!!!! a patch of land?!!!! with living souls living on the island, is a patch of land?!!! u're an ignorant prick, heartless person u are. do imagine when u and ur family are the only inhabitant on that island and u purchase that island for 45 million US dollars, and some ignorant fukwit demolish ur paradise home? and then someone like me would certainly would say "that's a patch of land", how would u feel? When Ada-Kaleh was part of Hungary, Hungary consider this patch of land as an island, while ur ignorant Romania calls this a "patch of land". That's shows all Romanians have a lack of respect and intellectuality.
Simian island? what a junk!!!! imbecile island.
are u sure? cause maybe im expressing my protest and resistance on how romanians treat their minorities. Look how u treat ur own orpaned romanian children in Piata Victoriei, those poor homeless kids who need special treatment to give up sniffing that friggin Aurilac spray paint, hundreds of thousands of Romanians walk to Piata Victoriei underground Metro station every friggin single day in everyday lives, cant they do something? adopting the kids perhap? instead of stealing money from them and beating the chit out of them while those childrens are crying asking help from someone to protect them?
still not a hungarian law. if u open ur stupid brain.
yeah sure, i have a national state like Palestine controlled by Romania who is Irsael being backed by USA by sending some bunch of Indo-Aryan chitheaded retard settlers to Hungary and terrorise the Hungarian majority population. Building Roma settlement one by one and controls it.
Then u have a big misunderstanding on history my friend, if Adam piss at some tree, that's part of history, otherwise no history would ever but ever be written by a man itself, so no history would ever be written till today. Mr Smart guy, use ur friggin brain, think ffs!!!
oh yes, i do blame things on Hungarians too, dont u worry. Sometime i blame things on Hungarians more than im blaming on Romanians and u call me a racist. Well have fun with ur stupid primitive life until someone will get u in the end, that will be the end of the chapter of the book.
actually u proved my point, everything u copy paste every off-topic chit in this forum with ur Romanian falsified fabricated history, i always got u stuck right in the middle of the 2 corner of the wall, waiting to hunt down for ur next garbage talk coming from mouth, and while i fast reply back, u are still stucked in those 2 corners, trying to breath ur way out because u cant stand to listen the truth. Something much like an exorcist.
really? can u fight Allah my god? prove it to me, go on. prove it or keep ur filthy mouth shut. U hear me, no one in this world can stop Allah's will, no one not even ur American friends, USA cant even annexed Iraq, because they havent even fully controlled the country of themselves by those looters and chit.
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Post by lvl100 on Dec 31, 2008 4:21:18 GMT -5
translate.google.ro/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ziua.ro%2Fnews.php%3Fdata%3D2008-10-06%26id%3D13987&sl=ro&tl=en&hl=ro&ie=UTF-81) lol @ site. I know that site and the "Hungarians the greatest nation on earth " articles for years. 2)a war is war. So its ok to kill people , but its not ok to vandalize a building ? Weird logic, but i`m used to it already We didnt chose communism and all the fucked up chit that followed. As opposed to you who were in a hurry to make it Béla Kun for the win ! Romanians are equally hated and loved, for they are a big nation. But of course that has nothing to do with your pathetic strawman. I was talking about the "inside the country" not in world. Yeah . because we can justify the whole history by something wrote in 1036 No that was because you were a small nation overstretched on a area much bigger than you could handle it. Maybe you should quit on trolling and prove that 2 millions migration. With numbers, not with articles that are so elusive that everyone can understand everything he wants Maybe in your dreams. 1) Tokes Laszlo its considered too extremist even by the main Hungarian party 2)Many of Hungarians (those in mixed areas) dont give a damn about this. They had their rights secured and now most of the "ethnic conflicts" are gone. The economy is booming they dont have time for the quotes of king Stephen. Many of them dont know about Magyar Garda and chit. 3) The really hardcore Hungarians are in Szekely land. But even here its debatable, because there are no major movements for autonomy. Just a small party trying to make waves from time to time. Uhm , what was the point in posting the top 20 ? We still have more cities, even the difference its smaller. Actually its a villain laugh. But of course its all the same for someone who is searching for gypsies under his bed when the lights are off.
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Post by lvl100 on Dec 31, 2008 5:49:58 GMT -5
This is becoming real pathetic. I give you a well known and appreciated site (Nation Master) but in your oppinion they are Romanian propaganda. Then i give you a biased pro Hungarian source, but then again, they are dumb because not backing-up your beliefs Yes they have the right to rot in poverty in villages and have no (for the most of the time) or very little (near the end) political power. From Encyclopedia Britannica"A large Romanian population lived there also, but Romanians were excluded from public affairs and privileges because they were overwhelmingly peasant and Orthodox. Their fortunes improved when Transylvania was brought under the Habsburg crown at the end of the 17th century Yeah those stinky blondy germans and their evil plans.... Yeah , but you know whats the difference between us ? We dont want anything, we have all we need already. We were the one with the happy ending. For us Hungary is just another country, like Slovakia or Poland or whatever. There is indeed some chit from us too, but its mainly in response to extremely aggressive "nem nem soha" propaganda and insults. Err .. what part of There is no state on this planet that stops huge engineering projects that benefits a whole country because of tiny island or village. Absolutely none. didnt you understand. ? Tell me and will be glad to help you. So how can you tell an island is imbecile ? Is when a an island cant do math ? Yes i`m sure you cant sleep at night because of the Romanian homeless kids. Hypocrite. Says who ? YOU ? I already explained what Ausgleich and the new legal frame meant. Sounds like a cool action movie. Too bad that you are the one shooting only with blanks.. You were bragging about putting me in a corner with your fast reply and truth. Offtopic religious blabbering are your untouchable arguments ?
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Post by szorostalpu1 on Dec 31, 2008 11:54:11 GMT -5
"Actually its a villain laugh. But of course its all the same for someone who is searching for gypsies under his bed when the lights are off." like I said, all I have to do is go to your roma-nia forum to find gypsies ""Hungarians the greatest nation on earth " who says that....but envious roma-nians "Maybe you should quit on trolling and prove that 2 millions migration. With numbers, not with articles that are so elusive that everyone can understand everything he wants. What don't you understand about this sourced material idiot....is it difficult for you to face reality? During the period from 1968 to 1973, nearly 2 million people migrated from one location to another, with rural-urban migrants a clear two-thirds majority. www.mongabay.com/reference/country_studies/romania/SOCIETY.html - 174k - "Romanians are equally hated and loved, for they are a big nation." loved by other romanians.....gypsies by everyone else "No that was because you were a small nation overstretched on a area much bigger than you could handle it." No it was because we let you thieving backstabbing olahs in. "We didnt chose communism and all the f**ked up chit that followed." of course not, you just kissed the russians ass after betraying the germans so theyed give you northern Transylvania....then you f**kers became even better commies than the russians "" but they killed 40,000 Romanians in that war and it carries an extreme negative image in Romanian`s mentality." http:// romanian fairytales and daco myths ps....in 1848 there was no romania or romanians, open a book and look at a historical map once in awhile
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Post by lvl100 on Dec 31, 2008 12:46:02 GMT -5
who says that....but envious roma-nians Envious on what ? Even the Hungarians who leaved Romania to live in their "motherland" are coming back now. Are you really so dense or just a sad troll ? Nowhere speaks about 2 millions moving from Wallachia to Transylvania. Its speaks only about the rural-urban migration for overall Romania. Your only chance was to prove that there are more cities in Transylvania than in the rest of the country. And you failed of course. You forgot about the " thieving backstabbing" Slovakians, Ukrainians,Serbs, Croatians Pretty smart move , isn't it ?
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Post by szorostalpu1 on Dec 31, 2008 15:13:02 GMT -5
"Your only chance was to prove that there are more cities in Transylvania than in the rest of the country. And you failed of course.
retard....do you even have half a brain? The topic was "LARGEST" not most
"Nowhere speaks about 2 millions moving from Wallachia to Transylvania. Its speaks only about the rural-urban migration for overall Romania."
If the 2 million moved from the countryside to the cities of Transylvania there woulldn't have been any peasants left in the countryside...idiot. If you'd read.....it said from different regions.
"Even the Hungarians who leaved Romania to live in their "motherland" are coming back now."
Transylvania is there motherland not romania
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Post by lvl100 on Dec 31, 2008 23:30:09 GMT -5
" retard....do you even have half a brain? The topic was "LARGEST" not most Oh the largest ? Okie dokie. Population of the Top 20 Cities : 2 mil. for Transilvania 4,5 mil. for the rest You fail. Again. That would be correct , if it would took place in 1918. The article talks about a migration during the 60`s. I dont think you need to be a rocket scientist to figure it out that in 40 years +++ the local population will grow by itself. A lot. And surprise , surprise, Transilvania is Romania
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Post by szorostalpu1 on Jan 1, 2009 12:30:07 GMT -5
" I dont think you need to be a rocket scientist to figure it out that in 40 years +++ the local population will grow by itself. A lot.
no you don't...but you have to have the capacity to read and understand which you fail at miserably
Romania's cities swelled not from natural increase but from migration. Thus, whereas ethnic Hungarians had to leave their homeland to find employment in the Old Kingdom region, ethnic Romanians were offered incentives to relocate to Transylvania.
Transilvania is Romania
how you gypsies gloat over the gift of Transylvania is pathetic...have you people no pride? living in a region/cities that you had 0 contribution to its developement. you're just merely shameless occupiers. How many of the 2 million Hungarians think of themselves as roma-nian? You gypsies killed, deported and relocated us, you tried to take us out...and you failed, we'll eventually get what we want and you won't be able to do anything about it
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Post by Dragos Voda on Jan 1, 2009 19:26:16 GMT -5
Szorostalpu, you're only using the quotes from your source that are convenient for you- this is also what your source says: The Magyars politically dominated Transylvania until the nineteenth century, despite the fact that Romanians constituted the majority. Although the Saxons and Szeklers were permitted local administrative autonomy, the Hungarian nobility filled the main political and administrative positions. In contrast, the Romanian majority formed a distinct underclass. They were much less urbanized than the Hungarians or Germans. Most were peasants, and the majority of those were enserfed and had little or no formal education. Furthermore, whereas most of Transylvania's Hungarians and Germans are Roman Catholic or Protestant and are thereby more Western-oriented, the great majority of Romanians belong to the Eastern Orthodox Church. You gypsies killed, deported and relocated us Please don't claim that people were killed without posting an unbiased source- that is not Hungarian and not Romanian.
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Post by lvl100 on Jan 2, 2009 5:18:36 GMT -5
how you gypsies gloat over the gift of Transylvania is pathetic...have you people no pride? There is nothing to gloat about a region 80% ethnic Romanian who naturally fits in Romania, like there is nothing to gloat about Wallachia or Moldova. Most of Romanians never think about it. The fact that Romania was praised for its present ethnic cohabitation proves it. But here , in the middle of "lol roma-nia lol" crowd , its always fun to say it , because I know that immediately will jump szorostalpu with bloody eyes and foam at his mouth shouting insults and threatening about the rebirth of king Stephen land borders. If that would be true, Transylvania would still be a backward agrarian region, with most of the population in the country side and Cluj or Timisoara would still have a whopping 30k or 40k of privileged inhabitants
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Post by szorostalpu1 on Jan 2, 2009 10:30:17 GMT -5
"because I know that immediately will jump szorostalpu with bloody eyes and foam at his mouth shouting insults and threatening about the rebirth of king Stephen land borders."
If you don't want me to "jump in"....don't reply to my comments...stay you know where.
"There is nothing to gloat about a region 80% ethnic Romanian who naturally fits in Romania,
you've become 80% only in the past 88yrs, through migration. and actually transylvania doesn't fit into your romania, the carpathians are the natural border that separates Hungary(Transylvania) from your balkan nation. So there's really nothing "natural" about romania.
"backward agrarian region, with most of the population in the country side and Cluj or Timisoara would still have a whopping 30k or 40k of privileged inhabitants"
Historical population of Cluj-Napoca Year Population Romanians Hungarians 1453 est. 6,000[100] n/a n/a 1703 £ 7,500[101] n/a n/a 1714 ¥ 5,000[102] n/a n/a 1785 £ 9,703[101][103] n/a n/a 1787 £ 10,476[101][103] n/a n/a 1835 £ 14,000[101][104] n/a n/a 1850 £ 19,612 21.0% 62.8% 1880 £ 32,831 17.1% 72.1% 1890 £ 37,184 15.2% 79.1% 1900 £ 50,908 14.1% 81.1% 1910 £ 62,733 14.2% 81.6% 1920 £ 85,509 34.7% 49.3% 1930[c] £ 103,840 35.7% 46.5% 1941[d] £ 114,984 9.8% 85.7% 1948 £ 117,915 40% 57% 1956[e] £ 154,723 47.8% 47.9% 1966 £ 185,663 56.5% 41.4% 1977 £ 262,858 65.8% 32.8% 1992 £ 328,602 76.6% 22.7% 2002 ¥ 317,953[6] 79.4% 19.0% 2004 est. ¥ 298,006[105] n/a n/a 2005 est. £ 310,194[106] n/a n/a 2006 est. ¥ 297,600[107] n/a n/a 2007 est. £ 310,243[108] 80.8% 17.1%
Temesvar Census[8] Ethnic composition Year Population Romanians Germans Hungarians Serbs Jews Roma Slovaks Bulgarians Ukrainians Others 1850 20,590 807 11,715 2,346 1,770 1,867 ? ? ? ? ? 1880 38,702 3,188 21,121 7,745 2,487 ? ? 416 ? 29 1,716 1890 45,948 5,594 24,973 11,100 2,363 ? ? 332 ? 27 1,559 1900 60,551 6,312 30,892 19,162 2,730 ? - 288 ? 13 1,154 1920 86,850 16,047 32,097 27,189 ? 8,307 - ? ? ? 3,210 1930 102,390 25,207 33,162 31,773 2,237 7,264 379 652 279 56 1,381 1941 125,052 46,466 37,611 24,891 ? ? ? ? ? ? 16,084 1956 142,257 75,855 24,326 29,968 3,065 6,700 122 575 280 56 1,310 1966 174,243 109,100 25,058 31,016 4,188 2,590 120 490 475 71 1,135 1977 269,353 191,742 28,429 36,724 6,776 1,629 1,109 404 942 299 1,299 1992 334,115 274,511 13,206 31,785 7,748 549 2,668 675 1,314 756 903 2002 317,660 270,487 7,142 25,131 6,271 367 3,114 570 1,218 762 5,506
"whopping 30k or 40k of privileged inhabitant
lol...more stupidity, I wouldn't call over 60,000...30 or 40,000. In the case of Kolozsvar you olah went from 13% to 34% in a matter of 10 yrs. 1910 to 1920, actually less than 1 yr. because I'm sure the population didn't change much from 1910 to 1919, if it did it would've been in the favour of the Hungarians, there's nothing natural about your olah increase.
"privileged inhabitants "
of course...there are no Magyar villages or Magyar peasants.... we all dwelt in cities lol.....the indoctrinated mind of an olah.
"Transylvania would still be a backward agrarian region,"
At the time Transylvania was given to you in 1920 it far surpassed your wallachia and moldavia economically, culturally and academically combined, why do you think you begged the French an British for it at Trianon like salavating dogs. How you people take pride that "timisoara" had the first electric sreet lights in Europe in 1884. You forget to mention that it was TEMESVAR HUNGARY...your corrupted copy timisoara was non-existent.
"Most of Romanians never think about it."
of course they don't...until Szekelyfold autonomy is brought up and your Tudor and Funar go on with their racist ant-Hungarian tirades
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Post by szorostalpu1 on Jan 2, 2009 12:05:35 GMT -5
"despite the fact that Romanians constituted the majority."
57or 58%...lol big majority, so-what...it only proves you're a migratory people.Take your majority and shove it up your ass. You've contributed nothing to transylvanias developement except make the cities have larger populations
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