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Post by Kassandros on Dec 20, 2008 4:33:40 GMT -5
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Post by Novi Pazar on Dec 21, 2008 21:21:10 GMT -5
^ its a start, good! ;D
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Post by Arxileas on Dec 21, 2008 21:23:43 GMT -5
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Post by chalkedon on Dec 22, 2008 6:16:50 GMT -5
see Basil...who says you cant be friends w/ some of these ppl ;-)
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Post by Arxileas on Dec 22, 2008 6:59:32 GMT -5
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Post by Kassandros on Dec 22, 2008 15:18:30 GMT -5
expatriot "see Basil...who says you cant be friends w/ some of these ppl ;-) " ------------------------------------------------------------- I was the first who said we can be the best friends with all Balkanian people. I believe in Balkans and our Balkanian culture. I like it. But.. I said also that If they dont want my friendship I can be their worst nightmare. That is what I always say and I believe it. PS. My best friend when I was 15 (back in '85) was a Fyromian from Skopje, leaving in Thessaloniki for 4-5 years with his family. Afterwards he started making me propaganda of Tito's bul*lshit and telling me that I should revolt againgst the "bad" Greeks and that me and him we belong in the same nation and bul*lshit like that... and I cut any kind of talkings/friendship with him. I was so innocent soul that time.. Today I would have kicked his ass! Later I learned from that he was a member of the commounist party of Yougoslavia....
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Post by Novi Pazar on Dec 22, 2008 19:13:34 GMT -5
Hopefully more news agencies will start to refer to this vardar as fyrom, then people will hook onto it and finally the idiots running the country (serbia) can revert to its proper name as fyrom ;D
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Post by Kassandros on Dec 23, 2008 16:16:15 GMT -5
I've just read that the guy who started all this is a Serbian who took back his original last name with many negative court decisions, after FYROMians forced his grandfather to change it to a FYROMian one. He succeed finaly to take his last name back and now his is doing this for the pride of Slavic world because FYROMians rediculate the name "Slav" with their actions.
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Post by Novi Pazar on Dec 23, 2008 18:24:32 GMT -5
^ there are many vardarians who had their original names changed. First, it occured during the Exarchos period then secondly it got warped again during the communist period.
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Post by Arxileas on Dec 24, 2008 6:17:04 GMT -5
Personally if Serbia did un-recognise them as RoM won't make that much difference but would seen as a goodwill gesture towards Greece "and I speak for the majority of the Greeks"
It's America and Russia we know that would make a devastating impact on these Fyromites and would start a domino effect of un-recognitions world wide.
You maybe aware that Australian departments recognise their Makedonski language all due to this agreement made btw Australia and Russia a few decades ago, when Russia changes her stance, that agreement too will go...
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Post by Novi Pazar on Dec 24, 2008 7:26:49 GMT -5
^ In my opinion serbia needs to immediately unrecognise this incorrect name, but l don't understand why Russia and the United States recognised because they don't get any benefits from it; is it in their view that Greece is Greece?
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Post by Kassandros on Feb 1, 2009 5:25:37 GMT -5
Ofcourse as it was expected... Gruevski & Co arrested this guy. Free expression for any non-"Macedonian" is over . He is missing 3 days now. His last message was... history-of-macedonia.com/wordpress/2009/01/28/shocking-news-fyroms-ultra-nationalistic-regime-detains-vasko-gligorijevic-from-the-slavic-philhellenic-network/comment-page-1/According to his own testimony which he published in the “Slavic Philhellenic Network” group in Facebook, Vasko Gligorijevic was arrested by FYROM’s regime police for unknown reasons up to now. What took place after his arrest is also unknown. Vasko’s last message was posted in FB saying “I am being arrested tonight. Pray for me all. The police is in my flat, they are searching it.” Its widely known that exercising one’s right to freedom of expression is an unknown term to FYROM’s regime when it has to do with criticizing the state-imposed Ultra-Nationalism prevailing today among FYROM’s population. We remind Vasko Gligorijevic is an activist, strong criticizer of “Pseudomacedonism” and one of the leading members of The Slavic Philhellenic Network. The international community and especially the Human Rights Organizations should intervene energetically and put an end to stop this comedy. Freedom of expression went to Jail in FYROM!! By Giannis I. vasko gligorijevic slavic philhellenic network fyrom human rights freedom of expression facebook www.topix.com/forum/world/macedonia/TH8G5BB25JIDU5LJC
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Feb 1, 2009 6:35:17 GMT -5
expatriot "see Basil...who says you cant be friends w/ some of these ppl ;-) " ------------------------------------------------------------- I was the first who said we can be the best friends with all Balkanian people. I believe in Balkans and our Balkanian culture. I like it. But.. I said also that If they dont want my friendship I can be their worst nightmare. That is what I always say and I believe it. PS. My best friend when I was 15 (back in '85) was a Fyromian from Skopje, leaving in Thessaloniki for 4-5 years with his family. Afterwards he started making me propaganda of Tito's bul*ls**t and telling me that I should revolt againgst the "bad" Greeks and that me and him we belong in the same nation and bul*ls**t like that... and I cut any kind of talkings/friendship with him. I was so innocent soul that time.. Today I would have kicked his ass! Later I learned from that he was a member of the commounist party of Yougoslavia.... Tito died in 81. In 85 the communist party of yugoslavia neither functioned nor had any interest in Greece at all. (as en example, none of the Serbs i know seemed to know anything about the numerous Serb toponyms in Epiros). Back in pre-81 days, Yugoslavia had the potential to swallow Greece ten times. Fact is, problems started AFTER YUGOSLAVIA AND THEIR COMMUNIST PARTY collapsed. Maybe your friend's parents were CIA agents? That's a more rational approach. P.S. I am not a communist, i was never member of KNE, KKE, etc... in the next elections most probably i'll vote for karamanlis (or karatzaferis?) it is just disgusting to attribute evil affiliations to past entities (communism,yugoslavia, tito) to justify contemporary deviations and anomalies in foreign relations. Basilmakedon, it would be a good start to stop confusing yugoslavia with USA, washington with belgrade, etc... During yugoslavia we had perfect relations with a country double our size, three times our economical size, and several times our military size. Facts and dates speak for themselves.
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Post by ilirdardani on Feb 1, 2009 10:07:05 GMT -5
Back in pre-81 days, Yugoslavia had the potential to swallow Greece ten times. Finally we agree on something. I tell everyone that Yugoslavia, before all the problems and wars started, could have easily be the 3 power in Europe after UK and Germany.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Feb 1, 2009 11:56:05 GMT -5
Back in pre-81 days, Yugoslavia had the potential to swallow Greece ten times. Finally we agree on something. I tell everyone that Yugoslavia, before all the problems and wars started, could have easily be the 3 power in Europe after UK and Germany. after Russia,germany,france,italy, and uk. But i guess that fact was ... inconvenient to certain german circles...
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Post by ilirdardani on Feb 1, 2009 12:26:51 GMT -5
Well Russia I'm counting them in Asia, they with US the top ones.
As for Europe alone, only UK and Germany were ahead. Italy, Yugoslavia would have taken it in 48 hours. France, you might have a point there. (but then again they're weak and scared)
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Post by Kassandros on Feb 1, 2009 13:15:12 GMT -5
Pyrro I just stated a fact from my personal life. Thats all. This boy was all over me about my Macedonian origins.... before I had even know there is a problem with this name and before I even had any idea they name themselves as "Macedonians" too. He seem to know what he was doing. In Greece we were not prepared for a quarell like that... since no problem existed in our minds... and yes... his parents were working in the embassy of Yougoslavia in Thessaloniki. The funny thing is that the personel of the Yougoslavian embassy of Thessaloniki was choosen from the Yougoslavian govent.... and they were in a percentage of 100% from.. Skopje!! It doesnt seem so innocent move in my eyes....
Also, I agree that Yougoslavia was quite powerfull at that time. But swalloning Greece 10 times.... ehmmm.... no.. I dont think so. Dont forget that Greece was ALWAYS waiting for a war with TURKEY of the 70 million people and maybe the biggest army in Nato. All our existence and army was to fight with someone 7 times bigger and being a war machine for Nato. All our plans was for a fight with something really big.
On the other hand...Yougoslavia was 3 times smaller than Turkey. Maybe they had a good army back then... but for sure not equivelant with Turkey in terms of personnel or technological. So... the "10 times swallow" seems too much for me. It could be a good fight... but for sure not a piece of cake for none.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Feb 2, 2009 0:54:00 GMT -5
Basil, in 1985, the others (USA/germany) were already "in" the country with their agents, and belgrade kept giving and giving.... more "macedonia" more croatia more kosovo, more more more...
"but for sure not equivelant with Turkey in terms of personnel or technological."
That's a field the mongols couldn't stand a chance. Serbs had their first factories of heavy industry before Toyota or Honda motors were established..... now comparing serbs with turks in "technology" is beyond any imagination.
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Post by servus on Feb 2, 2009 0:59:59 GMT -5
Yugoslavia economic success mostly rested on Slovenia and Croatia, and to an extent Vojvodina which was of mixed ethnicities. Other than that, other regions were distributed wealth from richer to poorer areas.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Feb 2, 2009 3:06:04 GMT -5
Yugoslavia economic success mostly rested on Slovenia and Croatia, and to an extent Vojvodina which was of mixed ethnicities. Other than that, other regions were distributed wealth from richer to poorer areas. BS, The richest parts were in descending order, and with the relative distance among each other 1) Slovenia 2) Northern Serbia (Voivodina) 3) Croatia 4) Central Serbia (kosovo excluded) 5) Bosnia 6) FYROM 7) Kosovo Most heavy industry (zastava, rakovica, tractors, etc....) was in Serbia. Most pharmaceuticals - chemicals were in Serbia Slovenia had Gorenje the known electrical brand, but it was all interconnected back then... Regarding Unis, Novisad's univ was specialised in agriculture, while Belgrade had/has the best regarding mechanical engineering, electrical engineering. Ofcourse Lubliana, Zagreb had nice unis as well, but i wanna say, this joke about Yugoslavia's economy was only about Croatia/Slovenia is a convinient myth made in Vatican/Germany.
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