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Post by rusebg on Jan 19, 2009 19:16:46 GMT -5
Are all Bulgarian living abroad really retarded and having no sense of national dignity? What I really think is that anyone who thinks this is a joke must be portrayed with his head buried in a toilet. Anyone? Rhezus? BBrigand? Any other open-minded nihilist?
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Post by stambolov2025 on Jan 20, 2009 0:03:42 GMT -5
Are all Bulgarian living abroad really retarded and having no sense of national dignity? What I really think is that anyone who thinks this is a joke must be portrayed with his head buried in a toilet. Anyone? Rhezus? BBrigand? Any other open-minded nihilist? In the villages they are quite common, hell I have one in both of my grandparents houses. I' don't think it's anything shameful just part of the agrarian lifestyle. However in Western eyes this is a rather uncivilized thing, but in retrospect who are they to school us on culture. All culture is equal. The kind of bathroom is not what is shameful as is the fact that he chose a bathroom to represent our country. It maybe a nasty image but our country is going down the toilet one way or another unless changes are enacted. The fact that people are fleeing left and right is the best indicator of that.
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Post by stambolov2025 on Jan 20, 2009 1:15:16 GMT -5
Just tell me when you are in BG. I want to meet you. What are you fifteen?
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Post by Rhezus on Jan 20, 2009 8:03:31 GMT -5
That's typical feature of many Bulgarians. Want a fight, to show he's right?!.. And of course he'll bring 10 other ppl with him. He is not convincing to me.. never bringing obvious proves/facts. And he's so fvcked to think I'm calling him when on holiday..
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Post by bb681 on Jan 22, 2009 20:02:25 GMT -5
Are all Bulgarian living abroad really retarded and having no sense of national dignity? What I really think is that anyone who thinks this is a joke must be portrayed with his head buried in a toilet. Anyone? Rhezus? BBrigand? Any other open-minded nihilist? Retarded? Are we starting with the insults or you know of some undiscovered element of correlation between nationalism(or the lack of it) and level of IQ? On the other hand, yeah, Im that nihilistic that I dont even care what you really think.
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Post by rusebg on Jan 23, 2009 3:10:12 GMT -5
Not a correlation but a common sense. And if you think that presenting your country as a toilet is the best example of advanced art and superb sense of humour, then I am speechless.
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Post by Rhezus on Jan 23, 2009 7:36:24 GMT -5
This isn't a joke, but a piece of Bulgaria. You should accept it .. as ppl see it - a typical Bulgarian attribute. But no need to bury your head in there.
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Post by ceferistulfericit on Jan 23, 2009 15:43:16 GMT -5
All of you have missed the point about this art work. The title: "Entropa: Stereotypes are Barriers to be Demolished" should at least give you a very big clue! Rather than do a nice statue with Europeans loving each other (as is usual in these types of artwork), he came up with an honest view of how Europeans view each other. And he is saying: OK; this is how we view each other, it is not very nice, let's do something about. Hence "stereotypes are barriers to be demolished". However all of you humourless Bulgarians seem to be all offended and cry like little babies. Especially you Ruse: this is what happens when you decide things based on emotion rather than logic. (And you are quite proud that you decide on emotion.) And you called me a woman?
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Post by yeni on Jan 23, 2009 17:23:10 GMT -5
All of you have missed the point about this art work. The title: "Entropa: Stereotypes are Barriers to be Demolished" should at least give you a very big clue! Rather than do a nice statue with Europeans loving each other (as is usual in these types of artwork), he came up with an honest view of how Europeans view each other. And he is saying: OK; this is how we view each other, it is not very nice, let's do something about. Hence "stereotypes are barriers to be demolished". However all of you humourless Bulgarians seem to be all offended and cry like little babies. Especially you Ruse: this is what happens when you decide things based on emotion rather than logic. (And you are quite proud that you decide on emotion.) And you called me a woman? No this "art work" really sucks, the Czech guy who made it had no fantasy and it isnt funny at all. The bulgarian toilet is the most primitive but the rest isn’t so great either. Like why is Spain in concrete in the installation ? or why is Luxemburg "for sale"? (i also didn’t understand the work about Hungary though at least its not offensive ( m.blog.hu/fo/fontosdolgok/image/k%C3%A9p7.jpg ) are we famous of our water melons and the Atomium or what?) in some cases the guy used the most trivial cliches (like italy=football, or Romania=Dracula) and in the case of some other countries its clear he just had no idea so created some chit.. and i bet the stupid EU payed a lot of cash to the artist for this geat work ;D
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Post by ceferistulfericit on Jan 23, 2009 19:14:15 GMT -5
i bet the stupid EU payed a lot of cash to the artist for this geat work ;D Actually he might have to give some of his funding back. But I think this is brilliant, and I'd rather this than a crappy dove or some artwork which depicts "the good of people". He is saying: "this is what we think of each other; this is real; but we can try and do something about it." The more I read into it, the more respect I have for the artwork. It seems I'm not alone (read the comments at the bottom): www.guardian.co.uk/artanddesign/2009/jan/14/david-cerny-eu-hoax
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Post by ceferistulfericit on Jan 23, 2009 19:33:05 GMT -5
OK here are the texts that go for each Balkan country, next to the artwork: Bulgaria: For me, our project is an opportunity to cope with false patriotism and fi nd relief from the destitution of Bulgarian material and spiritual life. Not least, it is sure to upset a lot of people, and that is also what I am aiming for – to cause a scandal, especially at home. It’s a punk gesture, intentionally primitive and vulgar, faecally pubertal.
Greece Almost a year ago the fire destroyed my home and studio. At a time when Europe’s living standards have risen in an unprecedented manner and our lives have become increasingly influenced by technology, fire is still able to take everything away. If it weren’t – at least in my case – so tragic, it may have been possible to seek, in the widespread fires in Greece, as well as in Spain and California, the archetypal warning of nature: I am here and I am more powerful than you. Despite all its possible negative consequences, however, the structure of fire, its colour, smell and strength are fascinating.
Hungary: National stereotypes? For Brussels it is the Atomium, for Hungary the spicy Csabai sausage and ripe melons. Stereotypes in contemporary art? A busty Hungarian artist who smokes and uses filthy language.
Romania: Welcome to Dracula Land. We are an endless periphery, a place from where artists make their way to European exhibitions by coach. We are a country that is too poor to support its own culture, but too rich to receive the aid channelled by developed countries into developing countries. We are a people adept at working with zero budgeting, we are masters of sales, false advertising and improvisation. Only in recent years have we realized that marketing this status is our only salvation, a quality that makes us at least a little interesting for others.
Slovenia: I have chosen a text by the official Slovenian national tourism agency as a departure point for examination of our national identity. According to this text, the first tourists appeared in Slovenia back in 1213 and left a message documenting their visit in one of the caves in the Postojna complex. The discovery that we ourselves are unquestionably the descendants of these tourists is telling; we view ourselves from the position of foreign visitors. This is a strategy associated with the delight of masturbation: we view the hand we use in autoerotic stimulation as the hand of another. We view our own national identity with similar detachment, as though we were tourists in our own land.www.vlada.cz/assets/media-centrum/aktualne/entropa_1__1.pdf
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Post by ceferistulfericit on Jan 23, 2009 20:10:39 GMT -5
So it looks like you Bulgarians had this artwork covered up!
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Post by Edlund on Jan 24, 2009 2:46:06 GMT -5
So it looks like you Bulgarians had this artwork covered up! Yes, I personally went there and covered it because I hate freedom of expression.
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Post by bb681 on Jan 24, 2009 17:31:58 GMT -5
Not a correlation but a common sense. And if you think that presenting your country as a toilet is the best example of advanced art and superb sense of humour, then I am speechless. Actually,I normally think of cheap booze and vomitting(a few of my friends praise countries where they can regularly experience that) but toilets are just about there somewhere too.I have come across plenty of people that make fun of their countries for things that one would normally find worrying(e.g. the Dutch in regards to prostitution and legal drugs) so this is not a behaviour that can be stamped as "Made in Bulgaria" and I would like to think that Bulgarians are among the few people on the Balkans/SE Europe that generally leave the 19th century behind and dont look at everything Bulgarian through pink glasses of patriotism and nacionalism.
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Post by stambolov2025 on Jan 25, 2009 4:35:08 GMT -5
Not a correlation but a common sense. And if you think that presenting your country as a toilet is the best example of advanced art and superb sense of humour, then I am speechless. Actually,I normally think of cheap booze and vomitting(a few of my friends praise countries where they can regularly experience that) but toilets are just about there somewhere too.I have come across plenty of people that make fun of their countries for things that one would normally find worrying(e.g. the Dutch in regards to prostitution and legal drugs) so this is not a behaviour that can be stamped as "Made in Bulgaria" and I would like to think that Bulgarians are among the few people on the Balkans/SE Europe that generally leave the 19th century behind and dont look at everything Bulgarian through pink glasses of patriotism and nacionalism. That pink glasses thing sounds like a couple of guys on this forum, actually sounds like a whole damn lot.
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Post by bb681 on Jan 25, 2009 5:37:57 GMT -5
oh yeah, Bulgarians are by far not the worst cases on this forum.
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Post by stambolov2025 on Jan 25, 2009 10:25:56 GMT -5
oh yeah, Bulgarians are by far not the worst cases on this forum. Yes, but it's also certainly not just us.
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Post by Rhezus on Jan 25, 2009 20:10:17 GMT -5
The effect is even stronger now..
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Post by rusebg on Jan 26, 2009 3:25:40 GMT -5
I don't think this is the best example you could come up with. Prostitution and drugs exist everywhere and when they are legal, such as in the case with Holland, they can be better controlled and somehow work for the profit of the state, not just for the profit of pimps and dealers.
So taking easily an open insult and an artistic misunderstanding of massive poor taste proportions is a sign that we are now in the 21st century? Great...
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Post by Kibitzer on Jan 26, 2009 7:41:28 GMT -5
You know, I will follow your advice and delete Kibitzer, whoever he is. Not a good idea.
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