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Post by Kanaris on Feb 1, 2008 18:23:58 GMT -5
SARAJEVO (Reuters) – The European Union’s double standards toward Serbia are causing frustration and distrust of the bloc in Bosnia, and could undercut support for much-needed reforms there, Bosnian media and analysts said yesterday.
The EU, appealing to Serbs to vote for pro-Western candidate Boris Tadic in Sunday’s presidential election, invited Serbia this week to sign an interim political pact covering free trade, visa liberalization and educational exchanges.
The move aims to help Tadic defeat pro-Russian hardliner Tomislav Nikolic, and stave off a nationalist backlash ahead of the imminent declaration of independence by Serbia’s breakaway Kosovo province.
An editorial in Dnevni Avaz, one of Bosnia’s biggest-selling dailies, said Serbia’s pro-European politicians had long used the bogeyman of Serbia’s Radicals to win Western concessions at a time when they were doing little themselves to earn them.
“What is the difference between the stance of Radical Nikolic and Democrat Tadic that makes the European Union generously reward Serbia?” the daily asked.
“Fearing Nikolic, Europe has promised Serbia generous financial assistance and a visa-free regime. Radicalism proved to be Serbia’s best investment, bringing it enormous political and financial benefits,” it said.
Diplomats have described the EU offer to Serbia as “three-quarters SAA,” a reference to the Stabilization and Association Agreement that is the first stage on the road to full EU membership.
As a result, Bosnia, like Serbia close to signing a Stabilization and Association Agreement, complains it is being asked to implement tough reforms while Belgrade is being offered carrots rather than sticks – despite its failure to hand over indicted war crimes suspects.
Chief among them is Bosnian Serb General Ratko Mladic, indicted for genocide over the 1995 Srebrenica massacre of some 8,000 Muslims and the siege of Sarajevo in which about 11,000 people were killed.
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The Muslims of Europe still don't get the big picture.... maybe they need someone to spell it out for them..... that the EC will not bend over backwards to admit a Muslim country in.... IMO.... Serbia will be in before Turkey or Bosnia and Albania...just another E.C. member to veto them out... Cyprus was used the same way......
In all honesty...
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Post by kasso on Feb 1, 2008 19:14:00 GMT -5
Honestly I believe Albania will become member of EU before Serbia, simply of the fact that Serbia has some deep problems in catching war criminals.
Albania being a "Muslim Nation" has nothing to do with EU membership. Turkey, however, aside being a secular state with a Muslim majority, is considered by some as a Non-European country.
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Post by terroreign on Feb 1, 2008 19:21:54 GMT -5
I honestly believe neither Albania nor Serbia will ever become members of EU
Albania because its infastructure is horrible and unemployment, corruption, ect
Serbia because their new president is going to be a crazy chetnik who will turn the country into a russian satellite.
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Post by kasso on Feb 1, 2008 19:24:18 GMT -5
Serbia's unemployment is double Albania's.
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Post by radovic on Feb 1, 2008 20:04:51 GMT -5
Serbia's unemployment is double Albania's. Serbia's unemplyoment rate according to the CIA is 18.8% (according to our government 21%). The CIA say's Albanians unemployment rate is 13.3% and that it might exceed 30% due to preponderance of near-subsistence farming. So I don't know where you got such an absurd statistics. May be you lisyened to a speech by Cedomir Jovanovic too much.
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Post by radovic on Feb 1, 2008 20:05:31 GMT -5
I honestly believe neither Albania nor Serbia will ever become members of EU Albania because its infastructure is horrible and unemployment, corruption, ect Serbia because their new president is going to be a crazy chetnik who will turn the country into a russian satellite. Well the same things you say for Albania can be applied to Montenegro.
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Post by vinjak on Feb 1, 2008 20:46:21 GMT -5
Oh Bosno..... still whining.... bosno
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Post by zgembo on Feb 2, 2008 8:30:41 GMT -5
I don't think Islam has anything to do with it. Turkey is a specific case, because of its size and because it borders the problematic Middle East.
Bosnian Muslims think Serbs and Serbia deserve to be eternally punished. The West has realized isolating Serbia any more will only lead to negative repercussions, so now they're changing course (encouraging the democratic opposition and liberalism in Serbia). They never bothered to do that during the Milosevic reign, and the results were obvious. Bosnian Muslim hate that Europeans have come to their sense, they'd much rather have an isolated, unstable Serbia led by nationalists because this (I think) it would give them a pretext for eliminating the Serbs in Bosnia.
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Post by Demonel on Feb 2, 2008 8:47:35 GMT -5
This is idiotic at best, what the hell does Serbia have to do with Bosnian Serbs in that context? Nothing. Eliminating Serbs in Bosnia? What does that mean? Deportation, extermination? My God. And you are offended when someone even remotelly suggests that Serbs are a genocidal nation (even though Serbs are not a genocidal nation). Is this all you think about exterminate or be exterminated?
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Post by zgembo on Feb 2, 2008 10:24:13 GMT -5
^ Well, I think the only thing on the mind of most Bosnian Muslims is finding a way to get rid of Republika Srpska and Bosnian Serbs. And, by get rid of I mean any of export, exterminate or subjugate. A weak, isolated Serbia helps them achieve this goal.
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Post by Duke John on Feb 2, 2008 11:21:01 GMT -5
The Muslims of Europe still don't get the big picture.... maybe they need someone to spell it out for them..... that the EC will not bend over backwards to admit a Muslim country in.... IMO.... Serbia will be in before Turkey or Bosnia and Albania...just another E.C. member to veto them out... Cyprus was used the same way...... In all honesty... This type of mentality exists only among the orthodox countries of europe, no european country does really care about religions like Greece,Serbia and Russia, EU is very aware of religioustly motivated countries of europe, Albania or other "Muslim countries" of europe as you like to call them are not the problem but instead of that Serbia,Russia and Greece are very backward in this kind of cases, maybe its how the children are raised in these countries, religion is the whole life among there countries but the postivie thing is that rest of the EU countries are not as primitive as some balkan orthodox countriesare and moust EU countries do not see as a threat these so called "Muslim countries" of europe, in the case of some balkan orhodox countries being so backward and seing as a threat (bogus threat) is coz of low education system and strong orthodox church control of the country. EU is very aware about european muslims,you can brag here how much you want but you are not going to change the fact that sooner or later Bosnia, Albania and Kosova will join the EU and develope their economical system while many of you will still live in your medieval like mentality society.
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Post by radovic on Feb 2, 2008 12:12:30 GMT -5
The Muslims of Europe still don't get the big picture.... maybe they need someone to spell it out for them..... that the EC will not bend over backwards to admit a Muslim country in.... IMO.... Serbia will be in before Turkey or Bosnia and Albania...just another E.C. member to veto them out... Cyprus was used the same way...... In all honesty... This type of mentality exists only among the orthodox countries of europe, no european country does really care about religions like Greece,Serbia and Russia, EU is very aware of religioustly motivated countries of europe, Albania or other "Muslim countries" of europe as you like to call them are not the problem but instead of that Serbia,Russia and Greece are very backward in this kind of cases, maybe its how the children are raised in these countries, religion is the whole life among there countries but the postivie thing is that rest of the EU countries are not as primitive as some balkan orthodox countriesare and moust EU countries do not see as a threat these so called "Muslim countries" of europe, in the case of some balkan orhodox countries being so backward and seing as a threat (bogus threat) is coz of low education system and strong orthodox church control of the country. EU is very aware about european muslims,you can brag here how much you want but you are not going to change the fact that sooner or later Bosnia, Albania and Kosova will join the EU and develope their economical system while many of you will still live in your medieval like mentality society. First of all your rant makes no sense. Second. Chances are that Muslim european states will not join the EU. Turkey is too large. And when it comes to Bosnia & Albania less then half of EU citizens want them as members. Third. The Dutch are likely to veto any attempt to have Muslims join given their problems with Muslims in Holldand. Fourth. Russia will not join the EU because it is too large a styate and their is no indication that Germany would allow it or that the Russian population would want to join the EU. Fifth. Greece already is a member. Bulgaria also an orthodox majority state is a member.
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Post by Duke John on Feb 2, 2008 12:30:39 GMT -5
First of all your rant makes no sense. Second. Chances are that Muslim european states will not join the EU. Turkey is too large. And when it comes to Bosnia & Albania less then half of EU citizens want them as members. Third. The Dutch are likely to veto any attempt to have Muslims join given their problems with Muslims in Holldand. Fourth. Russia will not join the EU because it is too large a styate and their is no indication that Germany would allow it or that the Russian population would want to join the EU. Fifth. Greece already is a member. Bulgaria also an orthodox majority state is a member. I dident mean russia will join EU i just stated the mentality. Like i said EU countries do know very well europe and everything including, and i would like to see which countries would be against Bosnia,Albania and Kosova if they fill the standards which EU requires, middle and north(scandinavian) countries are in very different level when it comes EU and religion questions, is that what "You" assume that Dutch would be against Bosnia,Albania and Kosovas Eu question?lol Do you really think that religion is the Ticket to EU, thats so damn primitive way of thinking,im not even interested to discuss further.
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Post by Kanaris on Feb 2, 2008 13:02:02 GMT -5
What I fail to understand is when Albanians and Bosnians brush off the importance of a EU member based on it's size... may I remind you that size has nothing to do with it... Right now Turkey's EU aspirations have been put on hold for the simple fact it has not opened it's ports to Cypriot vessels.... the vessels dock in Turkish waters .... talks can resume. Greece is a veteran E.U. member... nearly 30 years have passed... veteran members are respected and their complaints are heard... no matter how thorny that issue sits with some... it's factual and precise...
Greece had vetoed Portugal and Spain's E.U entry .... and today those countries are friends of Greece... it was nothing personal just business.
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Post by Demonel on Feb 2, 2008 17:41:53 GMT -5
It is true that almost every Bosniak wants to get rid of RS. But only a small portion of radicals wants to get rid of Serbs, let alone exterminate. Subjugation is impossible, this is not feudalism anymore.
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Post by radovic on Feb 2, 2008 18:14:15 GMT -5
First of all your rant makes no sense. Second. Chances are that Muslim european states will not join the EU. Turkey is too large. And when it comes to Bosnia & Albania less then half of EU citizens want them as members. Third. The Dutch are likely to veto any attempt to have Muslims join given their problems with Muslims in Holldand. Fourth. Russia will not join the EU because it is too large a styate and their is no indication that Germany would allow it or that the Russian population would want to join the EU. Fifth. Greece already is a member. Bulgaria also an orthodox majority state is a member. I dident mean russia will join EU i just stated the mentality. Like i said EU countries do know very well europe and everything including, and i would like to see which countries would be against Bosnia,Albania and Kosova if they fill the standards which EU requires, middle and north(scandinavian) countries are in very different level when it comes EU and religion questions, is that what "You" assume that Dutch would be against Bosnia,Albania and Kosovas Eu question?lol Do you really think that religion is the Ticket to EU, thats so d*mn primitive way of thinking,im not even interested to discuss further. The EU constitution mentioned "Christian values". Finland has a state religion as does the U.K.. Clearly religion (specifically christianity) has some role in EU decision making. Furthermore. The Poles have stated that tney want the EU as a Christian club.
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Post by Duke John on Feb 3, 2008 5:31:08 GMT -5
The EU constitution mentioned "Christian values". Finland has a state religion as does the U.K.. Clearly religion (specifically christianity) has some role in EU decision making. Furthermore. The Poles have stated that tney want the EU as a Christian club. You are terribly wrong, i live in Finland and Finland is in no way religioustly motivated country, the church in Finland does have no significant power in this country, an avarage finn is not religious at all and does not have no religious bias toward other religions, for example in schools there is religion lessons but the lesson does not teach you only about christianity but about religions of world, the finnish education sytem is far more advanced then lets say of balkan countries where church and religion means more than life, where religion defines ethnicity, only in such countries exists the mentality which can be seen in this thread, EU is nothing but an "Economical & Political Union" with no religion motivation, Eu has its own criterions and standards and religion is not included, when it comes to the Muslim countries of europe as you like to call them there is no kind of problems because Eu does know very well that these countries are not religioustly motivated nor do religion plays no roles in their goverments, Europen muslim countries are "Secular" their people are pro Eu, if these countries fill the standards which Eu requires then there will be no problems for them joining EU. Can you show me some kind of article or something where it says that leadership of Eu says that Eu must be an Christian club?
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Post by radovic on Feb 3, 2008 12:35:26 GMT -5
The EU constitution mentioned "Christian values". Finland has a state religion as does the U.K.. Clearly religion (specifically christianity) has some role in EU decision making. Furthermore. The Poles have stated that tney want the EU as a Christian club. You are terribly wrong, i live in Finland and Finland is in no way religioustly motivated country, the church in Finland does have no significant power in this country, an avarage finn is not religious at all and does not have no religious bias toward other religions, for example in schools there is religion lessons but the lesson does not teach you only about christianity but about religions of world, the finnish education sytem is far more advanced then lets say of balkan countries where church and religion means more than life, where religion defines ethnicity, only in such countries exists the mentality which can be seen in this thread, EU is nothing but an "Economical & Political Union" with no religion motivation, Eu has its own criterions and standards and religion is not included, when it comes to the Muslim countries of europe as you like to call them there is no kind of problems because Eu does know very well that these countries are not religioustly motivated nor do religion plays no roles in their goverments, Europen muslim countries are "Secular" their people are pro Eu, if these countries fill the standards which Eu requires then there will be no problems for them joining EU. Can you show me some kind of article or something where it says that leadership of Eu says that Eu must be an Christian club? The Finnish constiution mentions relgion. Furthermore. The EU constitution. It mentions Christian values, and the treaty of Lisbon has it also due to the insistence of the Poles.
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Post by Duke John on Feb 3, 2008 12:54:51 GMT -5
The Finnish constiution mentions relgion. Furthermore. The EU constitution. It mentions Christian values, and the treaty of Lisbon has it also due to the insistence of the Poles. Where did you get your information about this? where did you read? im very interested to see.
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Post by zgembo on Feb 3, 2008 18:28:30 GMT -5
It is true that almost every Bosniak wants to get rid of RS. But only a small portion of radicals wants to get rid of Serbs, let alone exterminate. Subjugation is impossible, this is not feudalism anymore. Subjugation (as a word) has multiple meanings. Serbs would be subjugated in Bosnia without the existence of RS. RS is the only guarantor of protecting the Serbian identity. If it was eliminated, Serbs would gradually leave for Serbia and the ones remaining would be slowly assimilated. It is the equivalent of extermination, and the reason Bosniaks want to get rid of RS.
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