Kralj Vatra
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Oct 28, 2008 1:25:04 GMT -5
With the new financial crisis, watch out whose car factories will be closing... As far as the so ... tuned up audis, i can tell you there are skylines and supras which overgo 1300 BHP, whats your point? When I said WITH FEW BUCKS, i meant in the range of ..... 85$!!!! as much as the openport costs, but i guess i am asking too much from a .... couch engineer who admires german luxury ... hmmm sorry technology!
How much money do someone need to remap his ECU in a skoda/SEAT/VW/AUDI to increase the boost level 0.3 bar to give him an additional lets say 30% in max power? (from 150 HP -> 200 HP in a 1.8 TSI group VAG motor) 1000 euros? 1500 euros? yep thats the price for an upgrade that will make the engine blow up in the "wrong" combination of weather/petrol octane/rpm conditions.... (i dont dare to even think of the tariff for a major upgrade in e.g. S3,S4,S5,etc..) For a subaru Forester 2.0XT MY04 you can go from 177 HP to 250 HP just by buying a book on electronic engine mgmt and the openport OBDII <-> USB cable (and your laptop or with someone's laptop)... Equally, the STI can go from 280 BHP easily up to 400 BHP only by remapping the fuel maps and increasing boost limit, using only this same cable and exclusively open source software... (those same 85$ we were talking about...)
Admiring german furniture and car technology are two different things, dont confuse the two.
P.S. When you talked about the safety of Volvos, if you had noticed i didnt say safety ... i said ACTIVE SAFETY. Ofcourse volvo can put 30 airbags even in their base models but that is not ACTIVE SAFETY.
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Post by Ja Ona i Pivo on Oct 28, 2008 3:50:06 GMT -5
With the new financial crisis, watch out whose car factories will be closing... As far as the so ... tuned up audis, i can tell you there are skylines and supras which overgo 1300 BHP, whats your point? When I said WITH FEW BUCKS, i meant in the range of ..... 85$!!!! as much as the openport costs, but i guess i am asking too much from a .... couch engineer who admires german luxury ... hmmm sorry technology! How much money do someone need to remap his ECU in a skoda/SEAT/VW/AUDI to increase the boost level 0.3 bar to give him an additional lets say 30% in max power? (from 150 HP -> 200 HP in a 1.8 TSI group VAG motor) 1000 euros? 1500 euros? yep thats the price for an upgrade that will make the engine blow up in the "wrong" combination of weather/petrol octane/rpm conditions.... (i dont dare to even think of the tariff for a major upgrade in e.g. S3,S4,S5,etc..) For a subaru Forester 2.0XT MY04 you can go from 177 HP to 250 HP just by buying a book on electronic engine mgmt and the openport OBDII <-> USB cable (and your laptop or with someone's laptop)... Equally, the STI can go from 280 BHP easily up to 400 BHP only by remapping the fuel maps and increasing boost limit, using only this same cable and exclusively open source software... (those same 85$ we were talking about...) Admiring german furniture and car technology are two different things, dont confuse the two. P.S. When you talked about the safety of Volvos, if you had noticed i didnt say safety ... i said ACTIVE SAFETY. Ofcourse volvo can put 30 airbags even in their base models but that is not ACTIVE SAFETY. Pyrros u can buy what u want i dont care... Theres a reason German cars Like Bmw,Audi,Merc are in the Premium range... I just said what i think is best... I have a VW GTI 180bhp original 1.8T engine... i have spenden aporx 2000euros on it.. And then i got Full non resonated Exhaust system, with ECU chip, open air carbon filter.... It puts out 245bhp..To bad its a FWD Yes Japaneese cars are more Tuner friendly, didint say that, what i was saying is that u cant compare Cars in Tuning if u want a ordinary car for ut family.. and i dont think a Supra or a Skyline is a Family car? RS4, RS6 is... But then again they cost to much.... And trust me im no couch engineer... i know some stuff... May not be an expert on engines but i know a little.. The new skyline is pure driving machine!! How many people have afford to have a car just for fun? Audis, Bmw u can use for everything.... im sure the vast majority here agrees with me, but then again ur the one buying a car so good luck.. For me a japaneese car is easy rusting, Good engines and thats that.... And their interior come on.... The hollow hard plastic :S And i dont mean the -00 models but the newest one... A honda 02- looks like a opel 94- inside..
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Oct 28, 2008 8:06:53 GMT -5
statebriga, you are continuing to compare apples and oranges at a constant basis. the new nissan gt-r is much more affordable and ... family friendly than its direct rival in nirburgring : 911 Turbo and GT2 the nissan costs about 90k euros right? how much the porsches cost? i know the 911 turbo costs 192k euros!!!! are they more friendly for mommy to go to the super-market ?
The S5 is at the price range of 75k euros. It outputs 350 BHP, and its a natuarally aspired engine.
An STI, is smaller, more city parking space friendly, it outputs 300 BHP, more practical, it costs 47K euros, and in the majority of terrains (except str8 roads), the S5 will simply watch the STI's rear wing... Add to the 47k, 100 additional euros (85 for the cable and 15 for the book), and the S5 will watch the STI's wing in the str8 roads as well..
P.S. overspecifying and overpricing cant make up for engineering.
I was about to try for the 1st time in my life to try and buy a european car. The thing is that the arbitrary and non-economical-technical arguments of the pro-german and anti-jap type of dudes is like strong signals which tell me NOT, STOP, go japanese man....
PS2 sorry for my wording, but all this pro-german hysteria,without accompanied by sound arguments remind me of the anti-serb hysteria, which was so, just because some coordinated journalists and centers of powers decided so... besides that, i will never forgive germans for their dirty games in Serbia... i dont like them in the sligtest.. i worked for a company in stutgart which among other clients, designed parts for mercedes as well. I can tell you, german people are lazy, geedy, sneaky and unfriendly.. i never met so s**ty ppl as the germans, at least in badenvirtemberg.
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Post by Ja Ona i Pivo on Oct 28, 2008 10:19:22 GMT -5
sorry for my wording, but all this pro-german hysteria,without accompanied by sound arguments remind me of the anti-serb hysteria, which was so, just because some coordinated journalists and centers of powers decided so... besides that, i will never forgive germans for their dirty games in Serbia... i dont like them in the sligtest.. i worked for a company in stutgart which among other clients, designed parts for mercedes as well. I can tell you, german people are lazy, geedy, sneaky and unfriendly.. i never met so s**ty ppl as the germans, at least in badenvirtemberg. How often in ur life are u gonna take a WRX out on a Racing track? and im serb if u didnt know Pyrros Politics has nothing to do with this... Only Japanese cars i would like to own someday is Subaru Impreza WRX, Honda Civic Type R, and Mitsubishi Evo... Just because they are Tuner friendly, nothing more... And im always gonna have a German car... A S5 is not in the same class as WRX... The RS4 is thoug I have droven both RS4, and Impreza WRX... Yes RS4 is more money but its more car.. video.aol.com/video-detail/dmax-d-motor-audi-rs4-vs-subaru-impreza-wrx-sti/3992625061Just look man All im saying is that i think and what ive read on many auto test and so on... that German cars are usually better than Japanesee... Why does japanesee Co drive mercedes, Audi A8, Bmw 760i ?? Why dont the drive a Mazda or a Toyota? The Quality build is just better, u cant argue with that..... The only japanesee that i can think of that is comparable to GERMANS is Lexus.... Toyota, Subaru, Mazda, Mitsubishi cant combine luxury,sport in one package.. Heres some comparing: VW TiguanSubaru Forester[/img] And i change my mind on the choice,, dint relize how Forester looked like.. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Audi A4 Toyota Avensis
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Oct 28, 2008 11:42:38 GMT -5
High Japs usually drive lexus's, accuras, infinity's. Subaru legacy is classy too. Now the forester in *your* picture is the old 07-08 model, ( at the time of this model, the .... tiguan hardly even existed ;D). the new forester one looks like (man do a basic study before you post) Now about the audi, wouldn't it better to compare it with one of its rivals (same price range) the IS09? ?? just curious... P.S. When the euros are gonna be building hybrid cars, the japs are gonna be designing hybrid electrical hydrogen personal jets... (and the euro vehicles will eat dust as usual). Statebriga, you didnt convince me of your neutrality... do you have a saxon/germanic girlfriend?
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Post by SKORIC on Oct 28, 2008 12:53:23 GMT -5
lol at the steering wheels on the wrong side
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Post by Ja Ona i Pivo on Oct 28, 2008 18:57:20 GMT -5
High Japs usually drive lexus's, accuras, infinity's. Subaru legacy is classy too. Now the forester in *your* picture is the old 07-08 model, ( at the time of this model, the .... tiguan hardly even existed ;D). the new forester one looks like (man do a basic study before you post) Now about the audi, wouldn't it better to compare it with one of its rivals (same price range) the IS09? ?? just curious... P.S. When the euros are gonna be building hybrid cars, the japs are gonna be designing hybrid electrical hydrogen personal jets... (and the euro vehicles will eat dust as usual). Statebriga, you didnt convince me of your neutrality... do you have a saxon/germanic girlfriend? Nah my girlfriend is serb But hey pyrros, u know that we balkanoids like German cars, and german only Bmw In the Blood Just ask a old serb man, whats the best car in the world Mercedes Brate And i said lexus is the only Japanese u can compare to Germans Lexus are nice, i agree... But mitsu and subaru aint close to audi, bmw, mercedes......
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Post by Ja Ona i Pivo on Oct 28, 2008 18:59:36 GMT -5
lol at the steering wheels on the wrong side It is on the right side
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Oct 29, 2008 3:00:36 GMT -5
Statebriga, i know that staff about balkans. Thing is we in Greece (pre-90s) were "hybrid" smth between balkans and middle east !!!, so we were not entirely in the german sphere of influence. Imagine that the shops that imported cheap car parts, initially were selling only japanese, and later (after we got in the euro-wharever union and ppl started buying euro cars) they started with bosch and wurch (?sp), siemens parts, etc... In many people familys (not so in athens), father had only one or two japanese cars for his entire life. my dad had a small bmw (late 60s), Nissan (71->91), Mitsubishi (91-04), Honda(04->today). Also we had a small zastava (750cc) YEAH!!!!!!!!!! DA!!! I cant imagine i had touched/driven smth from the holy land of Kragujevac at such a tender age!
P.S. Besides Lexus there is Infinity and Acura. (the last being Quentin Tarantino's favorite brand!)
PS2 CCCC
PS3, wait that is for Deucaon!!!!
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Post by chalkedon on Oct 29, 2008 5:05:58 GMT -5
VW has had many problems especially with the electrical boxes....they are highly overated..
Im a Mazda fanatic, but in general jap cars are better quality if you compare value to $$$.
The Suby 2.5 is excellent choice although it eats up gas like no tommorrow...I dont know about the new one...
Take a look at the Mitsu Outlander....I see more of those and they are starting to grow on me tremendosly. Espescially with the F1 paddles...
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Oct 29, 2008 6:18:27 GMT -5
Hey Patrida! Pws eisai file?
I agree about VW, totally crap (unless some1 is very lucky). The mitsu is huge man, its like over 4.6 meters long, for Athens center/mesogeiwn ave, it is a show stopper. My best man sells hondas/mitsus in Giannena (sarakakis), but then i think about the 2.4 litter engine (an issue which applies to the scoob 2.5 XT as well) and the new Alogoskoufis laws about engine displacement.... On the road Honda CRV was slightly faster than the frostie, until i learned how to deal with electric throttle which solved the problem instantly!
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Post by chalkedon on Oct 29, 2008 6:37:30 GMT -5
Kala emai, edo sto agona yeah...outlanders are pretty big. And in Athens, your probably right... This city is really starting to be unliveable.. I dont know if alogoskoufis law will go into effect, If it does than thats really going to throw a wrench in the wheel for a lot of ppl... then again you can go " rotary " with a 1.3cc displacement and put out 230Hp and tell Alogoskoufis to GFY.. Too bad they dont have rotarys for SUV's yet
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Oct 29, 2008 6:47:20 GMT -5
the 1.3cc rotary drinks much more fuel than the 2.5 xt subaru!
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Post by chalkedon on Oct 29, 2008 6:53:12 GMT -5
really ? Bummer...I didnt know that...I know it uses more oil to lube the engine but didnt know it used more feul. Good tip about Giannena...i just got back. Fantastic place...if I was still single who knows, i might of actually moved there. I hate Athens with a passion....its getting worse and worse everyday. Its going to be complete gridlock by 2010. The only thing you will be able to use is a segway Back on topic....i think the Subie is the best one so far.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Oct 29, 2008 7:54:27 GMT -5
Man, i got all my family in Giannena... Its cool as a land,beauty, etc... but if i was to move out of athens, i would choose Nauplion, or Syros or Crete or central/eastern Makedonia (western is like Ipiros)!
Anyways, take care file!
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Post by chalkedon on Oct 29, 2008 8:02:00 GMT -5
Nice ! Il take your advice since your from there ! Im definitly looking to get out of Athens...sometime. We'll see.... Na se kala..ta leme
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Oct 29, 2008 8:21:20 GMT -5
o Theos mazi sou file.
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