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Post by SKORIC on Sept 8, 2008 8:27:22 GMT -5
Russia said Monday it will send a naval squadron and anti-submarine patrol planes to Venezuela this year for a joint military exercise in the Caribbean, a deployment that comes amid increasingly tense relations with the United States. Russia's Foreign Ministry spokesman Andrei Nesterenko said the exercise was planned before Russia's war last month with Georgia "and it's unrelated to the current political situation and the developments in the Caucasus." "If this exercise takes place, it won't be directed against interests of any third party," Nesterenko said at a briefing. The announcement was made just a week after Prime Minister Vladimir Putin warned that Russia would mount an unspecified response to recent U.S. aid shipments to Georgia. Nesterenko said the Peter the Great missile cruiser and three other Russian navy ships would visit Venezuela before the year's end, and would be joined by a unit of long-range anti-submarine patrol aircraft. He did not say how many planes would be sent, but said they would be "temporarily based at one of Venezuela's air bases." Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez had announced the maneuvers in his Sunday television and radio program, saying the Russian vessels would call on Venezuelan ports in late November or December. Chavez, who has cultivated close ties with Moscow and placed big orders for Russian jets, helicopters and other weapons, has repeatedly warned that the U.S. Navy poses a threat to Venezuela. Diplomatic relations between Caracas and Washington have been tense for years. U.S. officials have warned that Chavez poses a threat to democracy, while Chavez has emerged as Latin America's most outspoken critic of U.S. foreign policy. The socialist leader ridiculed any U.S. concerns over the joint exercise with the Russian forces, saying, "Go ahead and squeal, Yankees."Nesterenko said the joint exercise would not be directed against any third country. Russia has been angered, however, over the recent deployment of U.S. Navy ships to the Black Sea to deliver humanitarian aid to Georgia, which was ravaged by a five-day war with Russia last month. Russian officials said past U.S. military assistance for Georgia had encouraged the Caucasus country to launch its offensive in South Ossetia, and argued that the new shipments could be a cover for weapons deliveries. U.S. officials have dismissed those accusations, saying the ships are carrying only humanitarian supplies such as blankets and powered milk. Putin last week warned that Russia would respond to the U.S. aid shipments to Georgia, but he did not say how. "We don't understand what American ships are doing on the Georgian shores, but this is a question of taste, it's a decision by our American colleagues," Putin said. "The second question is why the humanitarian aid is being delivered on naval vessels armed with the newest rocket systems." Russia's reaction to the U.S. deployment to the Black Sea "will be calm, without any sort of hysteria. But of course, there will be an answer," Putin said. ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5g7rJ2wsyU-lwLe2noRHRoj-gJH5wD932I33G0
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Sept 8, 2008 9:35:10 GMT -5
The prophecies go by the letter
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Post by acosrbin on Sept 8, 2008 21:05:32 GMT -5
Hey Nikolic, sorry brother can you post some of these prophecies up. I find this stuff very interesting.
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Post by Novi Pazar on Sept 8, 2008 21:23:01 GMT -5
I'll tell you what l think its the right tactic, eye for an eye. I wonder how the US would view cuba these days.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Sept 8, 2008 23:52:41 GMT -5
Hey Nikolic, sorry brother can you post some of these prophecies up. I find this stuff very interesting. all i write are from the tv, i'll buy the book on saturday. p.s. i am afraid of turning into a super fanatic orthodox and pray all day ;D
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Post by karabin on Sept 9, 2008 1:15:22 GMT -5
I was kind of expecting this. With Russia striking back and not willing to take America's shit anymore, I see it rightful for Russia to carry out naval exercises at US's doorstep given that they have quite many high tech naval ships/destroyers in the black sea (Russia's doorstep). Putin is furious about his, he even said "What are ameican warships doing in the black sea? Do you see any Russian warships close to the American coast?". Man him and Medvedev have started rolling and I see no stopping.
I can bet some of those Russian ships won't be there for exercises but for surveillance and intelligence gathering. They can say whatever they want but I firmly believe we are up for either another Cold War or a change over of super power.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Sept 9, 2008 2:33:56 GMT -5
The point is, that all this is coming, in a time when most humans in the west and east, south and north hemisphere are tired of this fake bullying and stressful peace.
They will not follow any more bullying. The serbs came out pretty safe out of all this, but Iraq was fucked.
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Post by karabin on Sept 9, 2008 2:58:20 GMT -5
Man what the yanks did in Iraq is a crime above all. They have completely humiliated and raped Iraq's territorial integrity and sovereignty, yet here they are preaching some moral lessons to Russia about Georgia. And don't get me started on Kosovo. My sympathy goes out to all the people in Iraq. They certainly have my support.
I wanna see an albanian or bosnian muslim come here and support what the yanks are doing in Iraq. Obviously they would have to, given that they supported the yanks in the Balkans. That is one major reason why the arabic world is not buying this albanian/muslim brotherhood bulls**t.
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Post by MiG on Sept 9, 2008 4:53:32 GMT -5
^ I don't think anyone supports the war in Iraq. Not even the Americans themselves.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Sept 9, 2008 6:14:02 GMT -5
^ I don't think anyone supports the war in Iraq. Not even the Americans themselves. which is a live proof that democracy is a myth, and the term "democracy" is used a fast means or quickly denoting the friendliness or hostility towards a second party, e.g. This nation is democratic (means we love them) This nation is not democratic (means we hate them) fucking good old economy of words.
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Post by acosrbin on Sept 9, 2008 6:27:26 GMT -5
Hey Nikolic, sorry brother can you post some of these prophecies up. I find this stuff very interesting. all i write are from the tv, i'll buy the book on saturday. p.s. i am afraid of turning into a super fanatic orthodox and pray all day ;D thanks bro, dont have go through the trouble. Just find it very interesting. Because i have also heard alot about this from others to, It will be scary if a war breaks out, because you know it will be nuclear. Who knows what other weapons are out there too, we wont find out until some country gets blown away by one. All in all this has opened people eyes more to see the double standards of the US, they can't take it but can dish it out. Then they go on tv and say how bigger countries can't be bullying other countries in the 21st centurary. The same bitch also said that kosovo is old and to get over it. How can you argue with idiots that can't see there own mistakes. Why not do exactly what there doing......
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Sept 9, 2008 6:46:16 GMT -5
"dont have go through the trouble. Just find it very interesting. Because i have also heard alot about this from others to, "
Hej Aco, imas nesto link za to?
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Post by Novi Pazar on Sept 9, 2008 7:59:54 GMT -5
" I don't think anyone supports the war in Iraq. Not even the Americans themselves."
Bush Snr started and Bush Jnr finished it off. I agree with the comments here, the americans completely butchered iraq, there are no words to describe their actions in that country. MiG, yugoslavia during the day had excellent relations with iraq, many yugoslav professionals took part in developing the country prior to Bush snr.
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Post by engers on Sept 9, 2008 9:59:01 GMT -5
When Russia will send tanks, planes to Serbia?
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Post by radovic on Sept 9, 2008 10:37:07 GMT -5
Not unexpected given that the Russians have said they are considering sending nukes to Cuba once again:
Report: Russia May Send Nukes To Cuba Castro Commends New Leader's Silence On Report, Says Cuba Owes Washington No Explanations
(CBS/AP) Ailing Fidel Castro said Wednesday that Cuba's president was right to adopt a "dignified silence" over a Moscow newspaper report that Russia may send nuclear bombers to the island, and said Cuba doesn't owe any explanation to Washington about the story.
In a brief, cryptic essay posted on a government Web site Wednesday night, the 81-year-old former president neither confirmed nor denied the Monday report in Izvestia newspaper.
Moscow is angry about U.S. plans for missile-defense sites in eastern Europe and Izvestia cited a "highly placed" military aviation source as saying, "While they are deploying the anti-missile systems in Poland and the Czech Republic, our long-range strategic aircraft already will be landing in Cuba." Izvestia said this apparently refers to long-range nuclear-capable bombers.
Izvestia points out that there would have to be a political decision on landing bombers in Cuba, and quoted the unnamed source as saying there have been such discussions.
Former Russian Air Force Commander-in-Chief Anatoly Kornukov told Russia's Interfax news agency Thursday that the country's "strategic bombers are entitled to use airfields in any country, including Cuba, as long as its leaders do not object."
A well informed military-diplomatic official in Moscow told CBS News Thursday that Russian strategic bombers "could use an airfield in Cuba for refueling during flights for air patrol over the Atlantic." The source spoke on condition of anonymity due to the sensitive nature of the topic.
Kornukov's statement was made in response to remarks earlier in the week by the nominee for U.S. Air Force chief of staff, Gen. Norton Schwartz, who said a move by Moscow to position nuclear weapons on the Caribbean Island would cross "a red line for the United States of America".
The London-based AFX news wire quoted Schwartz as saying: "If they did I think we should stand strong and indicate that is something that crosses a threshold, crosses a red line for the United States."
"The statement by Gen. Schwartz cannot be called other than inadequate and childish," Kornukov said, according to Interfax, which, like all Russian media, is closely monitored by the Kremlin. "Gen. Schwartz, being a professional, must know that missile carriers have the right to fly over neutral waters in any part of the world, which, by the way, is what U.S. bombers are doing as well."
Strategic bombers are entitled to use airfields in any country, including Cuba, as long as its leaders do not object.
Anatoly Kornukov, Former Russian Air Force Commander-in-Chief, quoted by InterfaxIn Washington, U.S. State Department Acting Deputy spokesman Gonzalo R. Gallegos said that American officials had received no official confirmation from the Russian government about the newspaper report, and was unaware of any U.S. efforts to directly contact Moscow about it.
"We continue to continue to work with the Russians on this issue," Gallegos said Tuesday, referring to talks aimed at explaining the U.S. government's missile defense plan. "We have consistently made it clear to them that our proposed deployment of a limited missile defense system in Europe poses no threat to them or to their nuclear deterrent."
According to CBS News Foreign Affairs Analyst Pamela Falk, Russia may be using the report as another way to show its opposition to a missile defense system close to its borders.
“Although plans to begin a second 'Cuban Missile Crisis' were dispelled at the State Department, it is perfectly plausible that Russia would leak a report of Russian bombers to Cuba, even if it denies it later, in order to make the point about how it sees the U.S. plans for a missile defense system in eastern Europe,” said Falk.
“The next steps will be closely watched, because technology has changed significantly since 1962 and Washington would not risk allowing such a plan to move forward.
"The report is an indication, however, of how much the U.S. missile defense proposal has soured U.S.-Russian relations," Falk added, "and Castro's comments are a reflection that if any crisis occurred, he is still on the scene to deal with it."
While Castro said the president, his brother Raul Castro, was wise not to respond to the newspaper report, he did not make clear why he was commenting.
Fidel Castro also said Cuba is not obligated to offer the United States an explanation about the newspaper report, "nor ask for excuses or forgiveness."
Despite Cuba's one-time alliance with the former Soviet Union, it seems unlikely that Raul Castro would allow Russian bombers on the island and risk the ire of the U.S. government.
Raul Castro has been president only since February, securing a seamless transition from his brother, who ruled for nearly a half-century. He has repeatedly said he is willing to discuss the two countries' differences in talks held on equal terms with America's next president.
Soviet nuclear missiles stationed in Cuba during the height of the Cold War pushed the world to the brink of nuclear conflict on Oct. 22, 1962, after President John F. Kennedy announced their presence to the world. After a tense week of diplomacy, Soviet leader Nikita Krushchev removed them.
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Post by Sh1 Shonić on Sept 9, 2008 12:10:36 GMT -5
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Sept 9, 2008 12:26:31 GMT -5
Right! Also lets remind our friend albie "the angry" engers, that Serbia has the capacity to MANUFACTURE TANKS on her own, unlike the (majority of the) rest of balkan countries.
he he he....
Hey engers dude, it was Serbia's manufacturing ability that drove mad the western ex-empire in the first place.
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Post by MiG on Sept 9, 2008 14:33:13 GMT -5
Right! Also lets remind our friend albie "the angry" engers, that Serbia has the capacity to MANUFACTURE TANKS on her own, unlike the (majority of the) rest of balkan countries. he he he.... Hey engers dude, it was Serbia's manufacturing ability that drove mad the western ex-empire in the first place. All ex-Yugoslav nations have the ability to manufacture their own arms and military vehicles (Depends on the nation to what extent they can do that), and so can Bulgaria, Greece, and Romania. The only ones that don't are, well, Albania. BTW, it wasn't Yugoslavia's manufacturing ability that drove the west to allow it to break apart, but it was the very fear that Yugoslavia as a Multi-Party Democracy would challenge the very economies of France, UK, and Germany.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Sept 9, 2008 14:39:40 GMT -5
Traditionally, (pre-90s), manufacturing was a synonym of economy. Nowadays everybody can make bucks selling air.
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Post by Beach Police on Sept 9, 2008 17:16:48 GMT -5
US in Black sea, Russia in Caribbean. Fair enough.
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