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Post by Novus Dis on Apr 18, 2008 7:34:30 GMT -5
^^ You mean he was sent to Jasenovac after World War 2 right? No doubt the Communists killed people, but I dont believe any of them were innocent. They were all enemies of the State, and therefore to Yugoslavia and our system. To of my uncles from my mothers side were murdered by Tito simply because they were supporters of Stalin. I had other family members locked up because they hated Tito too, and were supporters of Milovan Djilias. None of these people were bad, but they had opposing ideas which would have been detrimental to Yugoslavia going forward at the time. Im not saying they deserved to die, but thats the way the war goes. If the Cetniks had won, they would have done a purge of the Communists in Yugoslavia aswell. Tito didn’t care about Serbs so why should Serbs care about Tito?
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Post by vucigorski on Apr 18, 2008 7:48:50 GMT -5
^^
Tito cared about Yugoslavs though..........and Serbs fit into that group.
Serbs loved Tito because unlike Mihajlovic who was sitting under a tree wanking the entire war, Tito lead Serbs in the same manner that all our greatest leaders did. If only his name was Josif and not Josip, he would be rememberd as the greatest Serb in history.
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Post by Novus Dis on Apr 18, 2008 8:10:15 GMT -5
Tito cared about Yugoslavs though..........and Serbs fit into that group. So trying to divide and rule Serbs by splitting Yugoslavia into various republics is how he showed his love for Serbs is it? Serbs loved Tito because unlike Mihajlovic who was sitting under a tree wanking the entire war, Tito lead Serbs in the same manner that all our greatest leaders did. They are both materialistic commies who used Serbs to further their political/personal ambitions. Had Yugoslavia split during his presidency I am sure he would have sent Serbs to die for his petty ambitions just like he did during WW2. If only his name was Josif and not Josip, he would be rememberd as the greatest Serb in history. So his crimes against Serbs wouldn't disqualify him from such an honour?
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Post by vucigorski on Apr 18, 2008 8:30:39 GMT -5
Tito wasnt a Serb, what was he meant to do............Make a greater Serbia then make republics of the little scraps of land that were left?
Draza was a Commie?
Thats the difference between a Cetnik and a Partizan. You see "fighting for your survival" as being a slave to tito, whilst Partizan Serbs see "fighting for survival" as exactly that........fighting for survival. Tito didnt send us in to fight, we sent ourselves to fight. It was either that or death. We werent going to get freedom from doing nothing like the Cetniks. Hell you guys created the quote "Sloboda ili Smrt" but to be fair.......the only group living by this motto during World War 2 were the Serb Partizans.
What crimes against Serbs? Tito didnt commit crimes against Serbs...........he commited crimes against Cetniks and other people that he deemed enemies of the state. He did the same thing to Croatian nationalists, muslim nationalists, Montenegrin Royalists, Slovenians. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
The only mistake Tito ever made was what he did with Kosovo.
The Partizans will also be remembered as the greatest Serbs of the 20th Century. Never in our history have we fought against Genocide from 5 corners and survived to win. Zivjeli Partizani! The true Serbian heroes!
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Post by Novus Dis on Apr 18, 2008 8:50:39 GMT -5
Tito wasnt a Serb, what was he meant to do............Make a greater Serbia then make republics of the little scraps of land that were left? Greater Serbia? Is that what you call Serbs not being dominated by minorities? Draza never put himself above his responsibilities to Yugoslavia or the people of Yugoslavia. Unlike Tito who lived in a mansion, had a harem half his age and created a cult of personality around himself. Thats the difference between a Cetnik and a Partizan. You see "fighting for your survival" as being a slave to tito, whilst Partizan Serbs see "fighting for survival" as exactly that........ fighting for survival. Tito didnt send us in to fight, we sent ourselves to fight. It was either that or death. We werent going to get freedom from doing nothing like the Cetniks. Hell you guys created the quote "Sloboda ili Smrt" but to be fair.......the only group living by this motto during World War 2 were the Serb Partizans. Tito kept provoking the Germans into slaughtering Serb civilians so his numbers could be bolstered. "Sloboda ili Smrt" was created by Crna Ruke which was destroyed by Bela Ruka. The Chetniks supported Bela Ruka. The only mistake Tito ever made was what he did with Kosovo. And creating the various republics within Yugoslavia. If he was truly a supporter of Yugoslavia then he would have been against separating Yugoslavia into republics so he could enslave the Serb people more efficiently. What crimes against Serbs? Tito didnt commit crimes against Serbs...........he commited crimes against Cetniks and other people that he deemed enemies of the state. He did the same thing to Croatian nationalists, muslim nationalists, Montenegrin Royalists, Slovenians. The Partizans will also be remembered as the greatest Serbs of the 20th Century. Never in our history have we fought against Genocide from 5 corners and survived to win. Zivjeli Partizani! The true Serbian heroes! So you have no problem with all the Serb "Chetniks" the Partisans killed in 1946 or all the Serb "Stalinists" killed during the `1940s and 1950s?
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Post by montenegrodeki on Apr 18, 2008 9:01:10 GMT -5
Tito and the communist's are to blame for most of our recent history, the problems with Kosovo are his fault, he let too many Albanians live there and even encouraged their migration into Kosovo, before the Second World War the ethnic division of Kosovo was a majority Serbian, He also told us all to live as brothers, how is it possible after all the blood that had flowed during WW2 there was so much hatred boiling over the years for what had been done in the past and it all came to boiling point in the last Balkan conflicts. reparations should have been made to the people who had suffered at the hands of the Nazi's and their local ethnic collaborators, instead After the germans had taken everything away, the communist came and took everything as well, what right did they have to do that. Tito had a villa in every major town and city, do you know he had never been to have of them.
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Post by Novus Dis on Apr 18, 2008 9:03:03 GMT -5
Tito also forbid Kosovo Serbs who were expelled during WW2 to return to Kosovo and turned a blind eye to the abuse against Kosovo Serbs done by the Albanians.
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Post by Zvone on Apr 18, 2008 10:27:15 GMT -5
I think you know the answer to that. Everyone was labeled a criminal by the partizans. Not to mention the soldiers gave up their weapons.
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Post by Novus Dis on Apr 18, 2008 10:46:25 GMT -5
Partisans weren't interested in justice. Had they been they wouldn't have given amnesty to Ustasha soldiers who defected into the Partisans.
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Post by Zvone on Apr 18, 2008 10:49:50 GMT -5
Or chetnik turncoats, right?
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Post by Novus Dis on Apr 18, 2008 10:58:22 GMT -5
Or chetnik turncoats, right? Chetniks didn't commit crimes against civilians so no.
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Post by Zvone on Apr 18, 2008 11:00:46 GMT -5
Ok...
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Post by vucigorski on Apr 18, 2008 11:08:09 GMT -5
Yawn..............Mihajlovic was a pussy, as were the majority of Cetniks in ww2.
Im extremely glad of my Partizan heritage and the fact that we are rememebred postivily by many groups bar the LOSERS of world war 2 (Ustase, Nazis and Cetniks, plus any other nationalists).
Saw losers..........you need to get over the fact you lost. Its been 60 years.
If youre a Partizan Serb, youre still a Serb. If youre a Cetnik Serb youre still a Serb. Your political orientation does not matter.........this is why Serbia is never united. There was no right or wrong side during the war, and being one or the other sure as hell doesnt make you "more Serb".
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Post by Novus Dis on Apr 18, 2008 11:12:02 GMT -5
Yawn..............Mihajlovic was a p***y, as were the majority of Cetniks in ww2. You're an idiot.
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Post by Zvone on Apr 18, 2008 11:23:24 GMT -5
Ain't that the truth.
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Post by vucigorski on Apr 18, 2008 11:46:16 GMT -5
^^ A Mihajlovic loving Croat..............nice
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Post by karabin on Apr 18, 2008 11:53:26 GMT -5
This is typically ustasha, first suck up to the superior power, second abuse that power and kill and torture people for years, third when you get shot and executed and d*mn right more should have been killed then cry like a little b*tch and pretend to be the victim.
Honestly i don't feel any regret for any of the ustashas killed and as a matter of fact i am a strong believer that the bosnian war could have been evaded. Instead serbs should have used all its forces and power (which would not have required much) on them.
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Post by Zvone on Apr 18, 2008 11:57:06 GMT -5
^ Alright, I just sent that comment to aadmin. BTW vucigorski, grow up.
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Post by donnie on Apr 18, 2008 12:30:26 GMT -5
Deki wrote;
Albanians composed the majority of Kosova's population before and after WWII; at the height, Serbs (according to Djordje Krstic who wrote in 1928) composedonly 38 per cent of Kosova's population prior to World War two, and this only because of the colonization process that was going on with Serbs settling on Albanians' lands illegaly (Krstic, Kolonizacija p. 81).
There is no evidence on the other hand that supports your claim. Infact, Serbs have continuously made this claim (i.e. that Tito brought in alot of Albanians in Kosova after WWII) yet whenever I confront them, they fail to provide concrete sources that support such a claim.
Tito's Partisans weren't allies with us; they committed crimes in Kosova and persecuted the Albanians for quite some time.
I am not sure if you're still speaking about Kosova. If you are, know that the Serbs suffered the fewest casualties in Kosova in the territories that formerly composed Yugoslavia. This regardless of whether you read statistics written by Croatian scholars (Zeljko Kruselj & Djuro Zagorac) or their Serbian colleagues (Bogoljub Kocovic).
Deucaon wrote;
Wrong. Tito, as a result of Albanian resistance in Kosova, issued a provisional decree in '45 that banned the return of Serbian colonists who had been rightfully expelled previously. This is where the convenient confusion arise. However, the decree was indeed only provisional and abolished two weeks later. A law was passed on August that year which allowed the return of the former colonists to Kosova. Altogether there were some 11,168 contested cases; of these, 4,829 of the colonists had their rights fully confirmed; in 5,744 the colonists lost only some previous landholdings, although they still returned; only in 595 cases were the colonists fully dismissed. (Zivancevic, Emigranti, pp. 24 & Rajovic, Autonomija, p. 264).
On the other hand, the Albanians who were expelled toAlbania and Turke from Kosova during the 1920s & 1930s but also after WWII were never allowed to return.
What 'abuse'? Tito's Partisans carried out heinous crimes in Kosova and outside it against Albanians. One infamous example is the massacre of Tivar (Bar, Montenegro) when 4,30 Albanian Partisan recruits were massacred after having been disarmed.
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Post by terroreign on Apr 18, 2008 12:33:06 GMT -5
karabin lol
wow he's a maniac send him right off
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