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Post by vinjak on Apr 2, 2008 19:36:52 GMT -5
at least according to the British liason,
Pfft propaganda.
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Post by Demonel on Apr 2, 2008 19:38:03 GMT -5
From January 1942 all NDH forces inside zones of operations came under German command and from October 1942 entire Bosnian territory between Sava river and demarcation line become Operative Zone under German rule, those agreements represented indirect way of chetnik collaboration with Germans.
First formal agreement between NDH and Bosnian Chetniks was signed on May 28th, 1942 in village Lipac, single document which covered Ozren and Trebava chetnik detachments, and covered part of Eastern Bosnia near river Bosna and railway Sarajevo-Brod. On July 9th, amendment in form of a statement was added by which agreement regulation also cover relations of two Chetnik detachments with German and Italian forces in NDH.
It seems, but NDH government doesn't state them, that two similar agreement have been signed earlier first with Uroš Drenoviæ, commander of Chetnik detachment "Petar Koèiæ" in Varcar Vakuf (Mrkonjiæ Grad) in county office on 27th April 1942, on NDH part agreement was signed by county Marko Jundiæ, Home Defense Major Ervin Rataj and acting ustasha logornik K. Urumoviæ.
Second with Lazo Tešanoviæ. After May 28th, during next three weeks three more agreements have been signed for areas of Central and North-West parts of Bosnia. Two of them with Radoslav Radiæ, commander of chetnik detachment "Borje". First was signed in Banja Luka June 9th and covered Western area and second on June 14th in Prnjavor and covered Eastern area. Third agreement was signed with Borivoj Keroviæ, commander of Majevica chetnik detachment on June 15th in village Lopare. In 1943 another agreement was signed with chetnik commander Radivoj Kosoriæ in village Kovanje, Eastern Bosnia on January 16th. Biggest agreement was the one signed on May 28th, 1942. By that agreement commanders of Ozren and Trebava chetnik detachments recognized sovereignty of NDH and as her citizens expressed there loyalty to state and poglavnik, both chetnik detachments had from that day forward to cease all hostilities against military and civilian authorities of NDH. NDH authorities where to restore regular administration in chetnik areas, and chetnik detachments promised help in normalization of situation. As long as state of emergency exist, chetnik leader where to govern in there areas, under supervision of NDH authorities.
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Post by radovic on Apr 2, 2008 19:38:59 GMT -5
I don't think the majority of Chetnik attrocities are due to Mihailovic's Chetniks. The Chetniks were several movements with different leaders. Mihailovic's were the largest faction. Serb Collaborators working for the Nedic regime also used the name Chetnik but in no way connected to Draza -- yet many anti-Chetnik historians accuse them of having connections to Mihailovic.
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Post by Demonel on Apr 2, 2008 19:40:34 GMT -5
There is no doubt that agreement included majority of chetnik forces in Bosnia east of demarcation line, because Glaise report from November 16th 1942 to Wermacht commander for South-East Europe shows that around 10,000 bosnian chetniks has agreement with NDH authorities on the principle 'live and let others live'. Map which was made by General Staff of Croatian Home Defence, dated on January 17th 1943, divides chetniks on NDH territory into three groups: Italian chetniks, concentrated around Otoèac in Lika, area of Knin in Northern Dalmatia and in Eastern Herzegovina; collaborationist chetniks in Central Bosnia and in parts of East Bosnia around river Bosna; and rebel chetniks holding minor parts in North-East Bosnia and area East of Sarajevo (map can be found at Military History Institute in Belgrade).
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Post by vinjak on Apr 2, 2008 19:42:40 GMT -5
General Draza Serbian warrior and Hero.
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Post by vinjak on Apr 2, 2008 19:47:43 GMT -5
LMAO
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Post by Demonel on Apr 2, 2008 20:17:54 GMT -5
Chetnik units, which were part of the regular army of the Kingdom of Yugoslavia and were designated for "special actions", and individual Chetnik commanders, during the Derventa retreat, killed 17 Croatian civilians, five women among them on April 11-13, 1941; killed three Croatian women, a young girl among them on April 11 in Siveric; on April 9, 28-29, killed three Croatian civilians and wounded one near Bjelovar; from April 13-15, killed 20 Croatians, 5 Muslims and burned 40 houses near Capljina; on April 15, killed 5 Croatian civilians, one woman among them near Mostar, and burned down the Croatian villages of Cim and Ilici. Such murders occurred in other places indicating what was to soon follow.
on June 30, 1941, Stevan Moljevic, one of the main Chetnik ideologists and national leaders, formed the project, "Homogeneous Serbia", in which the Chetnik program regarding borders, the social system and foreign policy of Greater Serbia in the re-established Yugoslavia were outlined. The project proposes that "... today the first and fundamental responsibility is imposed upon Serbians: to create and organize a homogeneous Serbia which will encompass the entire ethnic territory in which Serbians live...." This meant annexing Bosnia and Herzegovina and a greater part of Croatia to Serbia through "migration and transfer of inhabitants" and cleansing. All this was expressed cartographically in a special propaganda leaflet together with a corresponding text.
In July and the beginning of August 1941, a general Serbian rebellion occurred in almost all of the B-H and Croatian territory where the population was predominantly Serbian. The chief initiators and leaders of the rebellion were leaders of the Communist Party, and this the CK KP (Central Committee of the Communist Party) in Croatia and the Regional Committee of the KPJ (Communist Party of Yugoslavia) for Bosnia and Herzegovina as parts of the CK KPJ, even though there were places where the rebellion occurred spontaneously, and some places where Chetniks themselves headed the rebellion. At that time and in those regions, it was the Serbian population which almost exclusively participated in the rebellion. There were only some individuals and smaller groups of other nationalities, primarily members of KPJ and SKOJ (League of Communist Youth of Yugoslavia), who were involved in the rebellion. The crimes of the Ustasa Regime against the Serbian people were stressed as the main reasons for the rebellion with the goal of overthrowing the NDH and the re-establishment of Yugoslavia.
At the same time, a group of Serbian nationalists who had escaped from Bosnia and Herzegovina and Croatia into the annexed part of Dalmatia and linked itself with the Italian government, sent the Italian government in Rome a petition asking for the Italian army to occupy and annex Bosnia and Herzegovina, Dalmatia, Lika, Kordun, and Banija, and to overthrow the NDH government in those territories.8 The Italian government used this for its expansionist pretensions and pressures on NDH in negotiations upon the outbreak of the rebellion, as well as for negotiations, cooperation and organization of Chetniks on its annexed and occupied territory in Bosnia and Herzegovina and Croatia.
From the beginning until the end of the war, members of the Chetnik movement intentionally equated the entire Croatian and Muslim people with the Ustasa Regime by accusing them of the Ustasa crimes against Serbians in the NDH with an attempt to justify their own crimes using these formal reasons. The Chetnik movement was comprised of armed and political organizations which appeared on NDH territory shortly after the capitulation of Yugoslavia and the proclamation of the NDH and was active until the end of the war.
From HDA,ZKRZ GUZ no. 5228/46, box 144; Ministry of Foreign Affairs NDH, No.V.T. 320/1942, box 3:
The "Elaborat" of the Dinara Chetnik division of March 1942, which was established precisely at that time and encompassed northern Dalmatia, Lika, and the southwestern part of Bosanska Krajina, also presented its aims and arguments. The principle goal was the creation of a "Serbian national state" where "Serbians lived and which Serbians aspire to...", that is, a "Greater Serbia" which would include Bosnia and Herzegovina, a part of Dalmatia, Lika, and other territories with a pure national system and "King Peter at the head" in which "exclusively the Orthodox populace would live". The rest was to disappear so that on March 25, 1943, the Dinara division gave an order to its units to "cleanse the Croatians and Muslims" from their territory.
Vukasin Marcetic, the commander of the Chetnik unit "Manjaca", stated the following at a conference of the Chetnik units on June 7, 1942: "I believe that Bosnia and Serbia are one nation and I hope that everything that is not Serbian will be cleansed from Bosnia." Milan Santic, a Chetnik leader, was even more direct. In his speech, in Trebinje at the end of July 1942, he stated that the goal of the Chetnik movement was to "establish a Greater Serbia" as stipulated by Draza and then said "Serbian lands must be cleansed of Catholics and Muslims. Only Serbians will live in those lands. The cleansing will be thoroughly executed. We will drive out and destroy them all, without exception and without compassion. This will be the starting point of our liberation". He further stresses that all of this "must be executed quickly and in one revolutionary momentum" and because of this Chetniks will "never formally recognize" the NDH.
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Post by vinjak on Apr 2, 2008 20:23:24 GMT -5
On January 11, 1943, during the height of World War II, Twentieth Century Fox released the movie Chetniks! The Fighting Guerrillas on the guerrilla movement headed by Draza Mihailovich in German-occupied Yugoslavia. The movie starred Philip Dorn as Draza Mihailovich and Anna Sten as his wife. The movie was the Hollywood chronicle of the Chetnik resistance movement.
Draza Mihailovich launched a resistance movement against the Nazi occupation forces of Yugoslavia in 1941. This was unprecedented and created a sensation in Europe and in America. In America, Draza Mihailovich became one of the most popular figures in the news. In the May 25, 1942 issue of Time Magazine, Mihailovich was on the cover under the heading, “Mihailovich: Yugoslavia’s Unconquered.” He was one of the major contenders for the title of Time’s Man of the Year. Time was inundated by letters of support. Joseph Stalin, however, ended up the Man of the Year in 1942 because the Red Army was able to halt the German advance on Moscow. But Mihailovich received massive media coverage in the US, garnering very favorable popular support and acclaim.
As a result of this wide acclaim, in 1942, a Hollywood movie was made by a major studio, Twentieth Century-Fox, called Chetniks! The Fighting Guerrillas, which showed Draza Mihailovich and his forces as allies of the US. The film starred Dutch-born actor Philip Dorn, who played Papa Lars Hanson in the 1948 classic, nominated for 5 Academy Awards, I Remember Mama, as Draza Mihailovich and Russian-born Anna Sten, Samuel Goldwyn’s answer to Greta Garbo, as his wife, Lubitca Mihailovitch. Dorn had appeared in Tarzan’s Secret Treasure (1941) with Johnny Weissmuller and Maureen O’Sullivan, The Fighting Kentuckian (1949) with John Wayne, and the sequel or follow-up to Casablanca, Passage to Marseille (1944) directed by Michael Curtiz with Humphrey Bogart, Claude Rains, Peter Lorre, and Sydney Greenstreet. Born in the Netherlands as Hein van der Niet, Dorn had been a screen actor in the Netherlands and in Germany during the 1930s. He continued to act until the 1950s when poor health forced him to retire. He died in 1975.
Anna Sten had been born in Kiev as Anel Stenski Sudakevich. She appeared in Russian and German movies such as The Bothers Karamazov and Trapeze in 1931 in Germany. She was discovered by Konstantin Stanislavsky who encouraged her to try out for the Moscow Film Academy. Samuel Goldwyn brought her to Hollywood and sought to make her into a Greta Garbo or Marlene Dietrich type of female lead. Sten was even satirized in Cole Porter’s musical Anything Goes (1934): "If Sam Goldwyn can with great conviction / Instruct Anna Sten in diction / Then Anna shows / Anything goes." She starred in the Goldwyn film Nana (1934), which failed at the box-office, as did subsequent releases We Live Again (1934) and The Wedding Night (1935). She was also in the 1943 movie They Came to Blow Up America about a planned attack on the American homeland by German saboteurs. She continued to make films and appeared on TV in the 1960s. She died in 1993.
Chetniks! The Fighting Guerrillas was produced by Bryan Foy and Sol M. Wurtzel, who had been one of the top executives at William Fox’s studio and remained a prominent producer when Fox merged with Twentieth Century Pictures in 1935.
The movie was directed by Louis King, best known for directing the My Friend Flicka sequels, based on the Mary O’Hara novels, in the 1940s, Thunderhead--Son of Flicka (1945) and Green Grass of Wyoming (1948), which received an Academy Award nomination, the Bulldog Drummond series of films, Charlie Chan in Egypt (1935) with Warner Oland and Rita Hayworth, and a series of low budget B westerns in the 1920s and early 1930s, the most notable of which were made at Joseph P. Kennedy’s Film Booking Offices of America movie studio (FBO) in the 1920s.
The screenplay was written by Jack Andrews and Edward E. Paramore, Jr., based on the original story by Andrews. The movie was well-written, derived from events of Draza Mihailovich’s life. The movie is factual although some facts were changed. Mihailovich was based in Ravna Gora in Serbia, while in the movie the action takes place in Kotor in Montenegro. Mihailovich had four children, while the movie only showed two. Mihailovich’s wife was named Jelica Lazarevich, while in the movie she is called Lubitca. The cast also occasionally has difficulty pronouncing the “z” sound in “Draza”, mispronouncing it as a “j” sound while the actual sound is more like the “z” in the word “azure”. Nevertheless, diligent effort was made to rely as closely as possible to the facts and to recreate the Yugoslavian landscape.
Andrews and Paramore are able to capture what motivates Mihailovich in the following dialogue from the movie:
Lubitca Mihailovitch: The Germans say, “It is only a matter of time until we catch you!”
Draja Mihailovitch: You don’t believe that, do you?
Lubitca: They’re strong. They have so much.
Draja: Yes, but we are stronger because we have something they never had: The will to be free. You see, our people don’t like to be conquered. So they never will be.
Lubitca: That is the truth, isn’t it?
Draja: Yes, my dear.
The film opens with a written statement after the opening credits by Twentieth Century Fox that the film is dedicated to Draza Mihailovich and the Serbian Chetnik guerrillas:
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Post by vinjak on Apr 2, 2008 20:24:32 GMT -5
The following New Year’s greeting was sent by General Dwight Eisenhower, who was to become the Supreme Allied Commander in Europe, to General Draza Mihailovich, on January 1, 1943:
“The American forces in Europe and Africa send greetings to their comrades in arms, the resourceful and gallant Yugoslav military units under your splendid leadership. These brave men banded together on their native soil to drive the invader from their country are serving with full devotion the cause of the United Nations. May the New Year bring them full success.”
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Post by vinjak on Apr 2, 2008 20:25:11 GMT -5
HEINRICH HIMMLER ISSUES ORDER TO DESTROY DRAZA MIHAILOVICH
Excerpt from Britain, Mihailovich and the Chetniks 1941-42
By Simon Trew
“While the Chetniks in Serbia were rebuilding their strength, the Communist-led guerrillas were losing what little remained of their own. The last of the Partisan odreds on the right bank of the river Drina was driven into Bosnia in March, while in the same month Bulgarian troops, legalized Chetniks and other Nedic forces dealt their detachments near Leskovac a heavy blow. By June there were only 852 Partisans in the whole of the country and after an offensive against the survivors in southern Serbia during July, barely 500 remained. However, although the near-destruction of his rivals could only be a source of satisfaction for Mihailovich, it did of course mean that the enemy’s attention was more and more likely to be turned towards dealing with his own organization. Certainly, by mid-summer 1942 the Germans were becoming increasingly worried by the revival of Chetnik strength and the potential threat that the latter represented. On July 17 Heinrich Himmler, the Reichsfuhrer-SS, wrote to one of his colleagues:
‘The basis of every success in Serbia and in the entire southeast of Europe lies in the annihilation of Mihailovich. Concentrate all your forces on locating Mihailovich and his headquarters so that he can be destroyed. Any means may be used to achieve this end. I expect the smoothest cooperation between all agencies concerned, from the Security Police and Security Service to all other branches of the SS and police. The head of the SS and police Meissner has already received instructions from me in this regard. Please let me know which clues we already have of Mihailovich’s whereabouts. Please inform me weekly about the progress of this action.’
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Post by vinjak on Apr 2, 2008 20:25:58 GMT -5
THE FOLLOWING ARE EXCERPTS FROM A SPEECH
GIVEN BY DR. KIRK FORD, Jr.
CHICAGO, IL APRIL 23, 1993
...Until recently, almost any general history of the Second World War repeated the official justification for the Allied abandonment of General Mihailovich—namely that he and forces were largely inactive against the Italians and Germans or were collaborating with them. Tito’s Partisans, so the argument ran, were supported because they were far more active militarily as evidenced by the fact that they ultimately liberated their country—the only resistance movement to do so. This particular version of wartime events in Yugoslavia is no longer regarded as credible.
In 1989, John Keegan, one of the foremost military historians writing today, published a general history of the Second World War in which he wrote:
“Hindsight has also greatly diminished Tito’s achievement. At the end of the war he was widely hailed as the only resistance leader to have liberated his country by guerrilla effort…Realistically, it is now accepted that the liberation of Yugoslavia was the direct result of the arrival of Russian troops in the country in September 1944.”
At last, it seems that he scales of history are moving in the right direction, reflecting the cumulative efforts of people like David Martin, Walter Roberts, Nora Beloff, Michael Lees, Prof. Steven Pavlowitch, and others. What is interesting in all of this is that the truth was first written some fifty years ago by American OSS personnel who witnessed what was happening in Yugoslavia. George Musulin, Robert McDowell, Walter Mansfield, Albert Seitz, John Milodragovich, Mike Rajacich, and Nick Lalich all came out of Yugoslavia with very favorable reports on General Mihailovich, but no one paid serious attention to them, The assumption seemed to be that any favorable assessment of Mihailovich must be the result of poor judgment and could certainly not be regarded as objective…
…One might think that if the intelligence coming from OSS officers attached to Nationalist (Mihailovich and other Chetnik leaders) forces was so faulty and biased, then that coming from officers attached to the Partisans would present an entirely different point of view. We now know that was not the case. In fact, officers with the Partisans confirmed much of the intelligence coming from OSS observers with Mihailovich.
Here are a few examples coming from the field reports of OSS personnel attached to Partisan units—reports which have only been declassified for a relatively brief period of time.
On the question of liberation or of liberated territory:
Dan Desich [ALUM] Slovenia: “All the time that I spent in Yugoslavia with the Partisans which was ten months, I never saw where, as far as the Partisans were concerned, they could stand head-to-head with the Germans and have a battle front.”
Major Richard Weil [CALIFORNIA]: “There is no territory anywhere in the country which cannot be entered by enemy troops at will, and with a minimum of resistance.”
Captain John Blatnik [ARROW] admitted that “it is not only possible to have our liberated areas overrun or cut thru by the enemy, but it could be done quickly.”
Captain John Hamilton (Sterling Hayden) [HACIENDA] (Hayden, it should be noted had previously praised the Partisans in the most laudatory terms—suggesting that a few of them could take Parris Island armed only with yo-yos. But listen to what he had to say when he gets into the interior of the country and sees beneath the veneer of Partisan propaganda): “The Partisan movement is not an expression of the people’s will.”
Hamilton characterized Partisan claims of holding “liberated territory” as “pure bunkum.” “Partisan territory is ‘free’ simply because the enemy does not care to use it at the time. When the enemy wants to, he marches in and the Partisans take to the hills.”
Indeed, Richard Weil, whose report was mentioned earlier, told a State Department official that if Tito tried to establish a fixed line the Germans would “knock the hell out of him.” So much for Partisan claims to have liberated Yugoslavia…
Dr. Kirk Ford, Jr.
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Dr. Kirk Ford, Jr. is the Chairman of the Department of History and Political Science at Mississippi College in Clinton, Mississippi. He is the author of the book OSS and the Yugoslav Resistance 1943-1945, published by Texas A&M University Press, 1992.
This book is an extensively researched, in-depth, objective and truthful analysis of OSS activity attached to both the Mihailovich forces and the Partisan forces under Marshall Tito. Highly recommended for any honest pursuit of research interests in the area of World War Two Yugoslavia and the role played by the United States in relation to the Yugoslav resistance movement against the Axis forces.
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Post by vinjak on Apr 2, 2008 20:26:51 GMT -5
By Lt. Col. Albert B. Seitz
There remains little for the physical record of Draza Mihailovic; sparkplug of resistance; abandoned Minister of War to the throne of Yugoslavia.
On April 18, 1946 a news item appeared in Il Giornale della Sera in Rome from an unidentified Yugoslav source. It reported that on 13 March, after a sustained air-ground attack, in which poison gas was used, Mihailovic had been captured with eleven living followers. They were all that remained of a force of 1020 men. He became a martyr in July.
Three things must be considered in evaluating the greatness of Mihailovich.
First - He set the example for Europe and its conquered people in resistance.
Second - He was of incalculable benefit to Russia in defeating Germany. His revolt at Ravna Gora caused Hitler to delay his time table of attack on Russia from April to June of 1941, with the result that the Germans found themselves stalled outside Moscow in the middle of the bitter Russian winter. That precious time and the subsequent siphoning of 30 sorely needed Axis divisions to keep the Yugoslavs quiet plus the lend lease from the Allies, was the saving grace of a nation whose salvation was of questionable usefulness to the world.
Third – He was a bulwark to the British in their North African Campaign. With Europe occupied, the Germans were able to turn their attention to the Italian war effort in North Africa. In June 1942 Rommel and his Africa Korps in a long counter offensive against Ritchie, had captured Tobruk with 25,000 and pushed on within 70 miles of Alexandria. Auchinleck replaced Ritchie, with Cunningham and Tedder commanding sea and air components. There was no cause for British optimism as the build-up of her ground and air had been seriously influenced by her disastrous campaign in Greece which had cost her 50,000 men.
Mihailovich was asked to harass the Germans in this area and retard the flow of supplies through the Vardar Valley to Salonika. How well he did this was attested to by radio messages from Auchinleck, Cunningham and Tedder on 16 August 1942.
By October Allied reinforcements swelled the British command in North Africa sufficiently to permit Montgomery to match strength with Rommel in El Alamein. With the Allied landing in French North Africa on 8 November the Axis were through in Africa.
During this period Mihailovich suffered 20,000 casualties stopping the German supply route, and on 16 December 1942, 2500 hostages were executed by the Nazis in Belgrade.
These are debts of Britain and her Allies! To Mihailovic not Tito.
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Lt. Col. Albert B. Seitz of the O.S.S. parachuted to Chetnik headquarters in September of 1943 as a member of the American military mission to Mihailovich. The preceding text is from Chapter XXXIII of Mihailovich: Hoax or Hero by Lt. Col. Seitz.
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Post by vinjak on Apr 2, 2008 20:29:14 GMT -5
Approved for Release July 26, 1984
9 November 1944
Memorandum for the President:
The OSS representative in Caserta has transmitted the following report, summarizing the political conclusions of McDowell, leader of the former OSS intelligence team at Mihailovich headquarters:
Serb Nationalist Leadership is vested less in Mihailovich than in the local leaders in Serbia and Bosnia, who violently oppose the Partisans as Communists but almost equally hate the old Belgrade ruling class. The local leaders and the masses among both the Nationalists and Partisans would quickly agree to unite if the Allies would deny support to the “reactionary” minority in one camp and the “Communist” minority in the other. Entrusting Tito with the Yugoslav Government will insure civil war.
The local Nationalist leaders in Serbia and Bosnia have been fighting Axis forces almost continuously since 1941. Their troops are better armed and disciplined than those directly under Mihailovich. Despite the 1941 massacres by the Croat quisling Ustashi, the Serb leaders in Bosnia are cooperating with Croat and Moslem Nationalists in preparation for a campaign against the Partisans.
In this impending civil war, the Partisans will win the formal battles by virtue of superior arms. However, the Nationalist outnumber the Partisans and will be able to conduct guerrilla warfare for at least two years unless the Allies establish an effective military occupation of all Yugoslavia. The OSS intelligence unit at Mihailovich headquarters personally observed Partisans [Yugoslav communists] attacking Nationalist [Mihailovich’s] troops engaged in fighting the Germans. The unit also has “concrete evidence” of Partisan massacre of Nationalist civilians, including women, and of Partisan failure to launch serious attacks against retreating Germans.
William J. Donovan Director
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Post by vinjak on Apr 2, 2008 20:33:37 GMT -5
The following is an excerpt from The Mansfield Report March 1, 1944. Lieutenant Walter R. Mansfield was the first American liaison officer sent in to the forces of General Draza Mihailovich, beginning what was to become the American Mission to Mihailovich. He arrived in Yugoslavia on August 18, 1943 and left on February 15, 1944. Lieutenant Mansfied spent the first half of his six month stay in Yugoslavia at the General Staff Headquarters with General Mihailovich and the last half of his stay inspecting the Chetnik troops out in the field. In March of 1944 Mansfield submitted an official report detailing his six-month experience with Mihailovich and his Chetnik forces along with his observations and conclusions. Below is an excerpt from that report regarding reportage of Chetnik and Partisan activity against the Germans in Nazi-occupied Yugoslavia during World War Two.
Aleksandra Rebic
“In the meantime [September 1943] Mihailovic had sent out a general order to his troops throughout Yugoslavia to attack lines of communication, and German troops. I had a copy of this order translated and sent home a signal about it. Thereafter, for several days, Mihailovic was showing me radio reports from all of his Korpus commanders reporting extensive sabotage and attacks on small German columns throughout Serbia, Hercegovina, Bosnia and Dalmatia; that several trains were derailed in south Serbia; that a large number of German lorries were destroyed, and several villages and towns taken. Commanders in Bosnia and Dalmatia were complaining bitterly about being attacked in the rear by Partisans [Tito’s forces], while Chetniks were fighting Germans. For example, they stated that after taking Gacko and driving the Germans toward Bileca, Partisans walked into Gacko and claimed they had taken it from the Germans.
While this all was going on, BBC London, on its Yugoslav news program, began an extensive program of Partisan news, devoting its attention almost exclusively to reports that the Partisans were fighting the Germans everywhere, and taking numerous cities and towns from the Germans throughout the region of Bosnia, North Hercegovina, and Dalmatia. Mihailovic was never mentioned, despite the fact that his intelligence reports were to the effect that he had taken many towns, such as Berane, Priepolje, and Gacko; and had carried out the above mentioned operations. The American station WRUL was reporting both Chetnik and Partisan operations at this time, but it was so weak that it could be heard only infrequently.
At this time Mihailovic asked me to see him at a conference with his Staff. He was furious at the British because of the BBC news, and showed me intelligence reports from his own commanders indicated that some of the BBC news was false. He asked me whether it would be possible to have a group of American observers come in solely for the purpose of going out with his troops to see for themselves the operations which he was conducting and report back intelligence to my government. He stated that he felt further talk with the British on the subject would be useless because it was quite apparent to him that the British had sold him down the river to Stalin. I told him that I would report the matter home for consideration by my chief. I immediately revealed our entire conversation to the British Mission and sent home a signal.
From this point on there was complete distrust of the British by Mihailovic, his staff, and his area commanders. The feeling toward the Americans, on the other hand, was one of intense friendship. Time and again, both Mihailovic and his officers stated that they felt that America was the only democracy left which would take a fair and unbiased view of what was going on in the country..."
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Post by Demonel on Apr 2, 2008 21:09:09 GMT -5
LOL, my God! Such arguments. A Movie and a few articles. No documents, pictures and maps. Going into detail mentioned in your articles shows how absurd they are. NDH documents and maps claim that most of Chetniks in Bosnia were collaborating with them or Italians/Germans. You claim that several major Chetnik groups in Serbia and Croatia were rouge groups not under Draza’s command and yet you claim Draza had control and manpower to do all those things mentioned through out Yugoslavia. Also you claim he commanded the largest Chetnik group. The worst thing is you are trying to portray the commies as losers and an insignificant group of thugs that did nothing but attack Draza from the back. Do you have any idea how far Russians penetrated into Yugoslavia? If commies were so weak why were they the ones call all the shots in Bleiburg, Yugoslavia etc. Why did your king choose Tito over Draza? You really think Draza fucked up all of Adolf’s plans concerning Africa and Russia. Let’s not forget the fact that you didn’t even try to refute the crimes his troops committed against my people. As long as you save a few hundred Allied Airman who cares if you murder thousands of civilians, right?
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Post by vinjak on Apr 2, 2008 21:49:53 GMT -5
Let’s not forget the fact that you didn’t even try to refute the crimes his troops committed against my people. As long as you save a few hundred Allied Airman who cares if you murder thousands of civilians, right?
Not just saved a few Airman but thousands of Serbs. To be truthful what happened to your people is not my concern whatsoever, as I constantly put it He Is a Serbian Warrior/hero I dont care what you or his other enemys think.
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Post by Novus Dis on Apr 2, 2008 22:37:00 GMT -5
Photograph taken at Dvori near Bjeljina, September 28 1944; 1) Draža Mihailovich, 2) US Army Colonel Robert H. McDowell, 3) Mustafa Mulaliæ and a group of Ustashas Source: Web Archive - The Trial Of Dragoljub Draza Mihailovic - 1946 According to this photo, McDowell could testify that Draza Mihailovich was in love with Ustashas instead, but there is nothing about that (including this photograph) in McDowell's intelligence report mentioned. Unfortunately this photo does not come with any transcripts of their "meeting". And the words of McDowell is opposed to the words of 500 other Allied soldiers and especially those of Richard Felman (who was not a Serb).
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Post by vinjak on Apr 2, 2008 22:50:33 GMT -5
Why is there a couple of American officers there ?... where they Ustasa or Nazi collaborators ?
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Post by CiKoLa on Apr 2, 2008 23:01:34 GMT -5
its pathetic to see how low serbs can stoop esp. in times when her neighbours are being rewarded for all their hard work, reforms, and commitments to democracy. I guess you serbs see some sort of comfort in this thread .. whatever cheers up u ... i guess.
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Post by MiG on Apr 2, 2008 23:07:33 GMT -5
its pathetic to see how low serbs can stoop esp. in times when her neighbours are being rewarded for all their hard work, reforms, and commitments to democracy. I guess you serbs see some sort of comfort in this thread .. whatever cheers up u ... i guess. Umm, dude thats very disrespectful. You're an idiot. Draza Mihajlovic only wanted the best for his people (Serbs) in their darkest hour (WW2), when the Nazis wanted revenge for what Serbia did to AHE in WW1. Sh it bro, read up on some history. You're stupid to insult like that. What if someone started bagging on Kralj Tomislav like this, or maybe Vladko Macek, or Stjepan Radic? I wouldn't like it, nor would you. So unless you can add something in respect to a fallen soldier, and respected man, shut your face, and be on your way.
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