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Post by diurpaneus on Feb 14, 2009 5:11:37 GMT -5
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Post by Pejoni on Feb 14, 2009 6:31:25 GMT -5
Had it not been better asking for KFOR?
Romanian military - OK
Romanian police has a bad reputation for killings of two protesters in 2007 using outdated rubber bullets.
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Post by diurpaneus on Feb 14, 2009 13:50:20 GMT -5
Had it not been better asking for KFOR? Romanian military - OK Romanian police has a bad reputation for killings of two protesters in 2007 using outdated rubber bullets. Those bullets are not outdated. They use them here in Romania frequently. And those Gendarmes were attacked by the protesters.
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Post by leshte on Feb 14, 2009 14:18:40 GMT -5
Damn I hadn't seen an ARO since the late 80's.
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Post by Pejoni on Feb 14, 2009 15:29:10 GMT -5
Had it not been better asking for KFOR? Romanian military - OK Romanian police has a bad reputation for killings of two protesters in 2007 using outdated rubber bullets. Those bullets are not outdated. They use them here in Romania frequently. And those Gendarmes were attacked by the protesters. Romanians accused of using outdated rubber bullets on Albanian rioters April 20, 2007 10:20 AM PRISTINA, Rubber bullets fired by a Romanian special police unit that killed two protesters in Kosovo exceeded their legal use by over a decade, the province's U.N. police chief said Wednesday. Richard Monk, the top U.N. police commissioner in Kosovo, said an investigation on the RB1 type of rubber bullets found they were manufactured in 1991 with a shelf life of three years. "That means the rubber bullets were out of date by at least 12 years," he said. "I have directed that such ammunition currently in the possession of any specialized police unit be either sent home or destroyed." Monk spoke a day after a U.N. prosecutor concluded that Romanian police officers were responsible for two deaths and two woundings of ethnic Albanian protesters during a protest against a U.N. plan on the future of the disputed province. The prosecutor, however, found no sufficient evidence to identify those responsible for firing the shots. Monk, who commands some 1,500 U.N. police officers and the 7,300-strong Kosovo police force, said that prosecutors and technicians investigating the case were concerned that the "rubber would have hardened and therefore the bullet itself would have become more lethal." "Manufacturers put a time limit on the use of the rubber bullets because probably the rubber hardens over time ... making them even more risky to use at short range," he said. One of the victims was struck in the head, behind his ear with the rubber bullet that pierced his skull, while the other one was shot in front of his forehead, the U.N. report said. The prosecutor Robert Dean said Tuesday the shootings appeared to be "unwarranted and unjustified" and that the two deaths "appear to have been unnecessary and avoidable." Two demonstrators were killed on Feb. 10 when U.N. police fired rubber bullets at 3,000 ethnic Albanian protesters angry with a U.N. plan they said fell short of their demands to grant Kosovo full independence. They broke through a police barricade in an attempt to reach the government building in Kosovo's capital, Pristina. Two others were seriously wounded and dozens were treated for the effects of tear gas. Kosovo has been run by a U.N. mission since mid-1999, when NATO airstrikes halted Serb forces' crackdown on independence-seeking ethnic Albanians. Some 1,500 U.N. police officers and a 7,300-strong Kosovo police force are in charge of security. Monk said the issue of the expired rubber bullets was being looked into at the U.N. headquarters in New York, but said that it did not rest within body's capacity to issue regulations on the expire date of the ammunition. "We would expect that specialized police units coming here would adhere to the manufacture's rules," he said. -------------------------
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Post by sotneser on Feb 14, 2009 19:50:58 GMT -5
Had it not been better asking for KFOR? Romanian military - OK Romanian police has a bad reputation for killings of two protesters in 2007 using outdated rubber bullets. Those bullets are not outdated. They use them here in Romania frequently. And those Gendarmes were attacked by the protesters. Look here dickhead, you have come here to show Romanian military in Kosovo which is OK. But do not fucking justify the action of those fucking pigs that took the lives of two innocent people. They attacked my arse. There was hardly any attack, and no one deserved to fucking die, and there wasn't any fucking reason to shoot people on the head (you reading this, on the HEAD) two people that were as far away from the police, again with outdated rubber bullets. If by any chance they use those in Romania, it doesn't fucking mean they are legit. It shows the quality of the Romanian police.
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Post by jerryspringer on Feb 14, 2009 23:47:07 GMT -5
I have an awkward feeling about our presence there. We shouldn't be there. We're not neutral in this conflict. We sized with the Serbs. I don't really know what our mission is. Is it to protect the Serb minority? Let a neutral contry do that.
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Post by Pejoni on Feb 15, 2009 12:35:12 GMT -5
They will all soon leave, I'll give them maximum 2-3 years, except for American troops.
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Post by donnie on Feb 15, 2009 14:59:44 GMT -5
I have an awkward feeling about our presence there. We shouldn't be there. We're not neutral in this conflict. We sized with the Serbs. I don't really know what our mission is. Is it to protect the Serb minority? Let a neutral contry do that. Do you agree with ths stance, Anittas?
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Post by raynon on Feb 15, 2009 21:49:50 GMT -5
Kosova authorities need to issue an international warrant for the arrest of those two killers, Kosova authorities and Albanian authorities need coordinate int'l warrants for the arrests of all those serbian murderers who were left out of hague list to prosecute. Nothing less or more as serbia has done with the recent arrest of Presheva V. Albanians.
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Post by jerryspringer on Feb 16, 2009 3:13:25 GMT -5
I have an awkward feeling about our presence there. We shouldn't be there. We're not neutral in this conflict. We sized with the Serbs. I don't really know what our mission is. Is it to protect the Serb minority? Let a neutral contry do that. Do you agree with ths stance, Anittas? I'm not exactly sure what stance you're referring to, but I've always said that we should've remained neutral in the conflict.
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Post by kasso on Feb 16, 2009 5:39:26 GMT -5
Go, Romania, go
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Post by donnie on Feb 16, 2009 6:09:24 GMT -5
Yes you are. You said it yourself. Romania's pro-Serbian stance in the conflict of Kosova.
OK.
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Post by jerryspringer on Feb 16, 2009 7:00:10 GMT -5
Yes you are. You said it yourself. Romania's pro-Serbian stance in the conflict of Kosova. OK. Yeah, Romania sized with Serbia over the conflict, but I still wasn't sure what you were referring to. I mean, why would you ask about my stance when I clearly stated that I wished we remained neutral?
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Post by donnie on Feb 16, 2009 12:54:14 GMT -5
I asked you this after your first reply, in which you did not clarify that your preferance was for Romania to stay neutral in this conflict.
How would you describe a state being neutral in this situation?
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Post by Alb_Korcar on Feb 16, 2009 13:11:07 GMT -5
neutral = not taking any sides. look up Switserland in all major wars.
anyway, just because Romania had a pro-Serbian stance doesnt mean theyre all evil, Greece has a pro-Serbian stance but they sent their army there too. I think the major reason Romania is pro-Serbia is because theyre afraid of the Hungarians wanting independence in their country.
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Post by meltdown711 on Feb 16, 2009 13:17:11 GMT -5
And because, as Orthodox Christians, they tend to support their co-religionists. Ive rarely met a pro-Kosova Romanian. They genuinely support the Serbs. Even some went as mercs for the Serb side.
Greece's main concern is the Orthodox churches and the Serb minority....
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Post by insomniac on Feb 17, 2009 2:07:05 GMT -5
some news on this issue.. LOL
Romania Band Unwelcome In Kosovo Party
Hundreds of Kosovo Albanians have joined a Facebook campaign against the gig of Romanian europop band Morandi, scheduled to take place on the first anniversary of Kosovo’s declaration of independence, because their country has not recognised Kosovo.
Morandi, consisted of Marius Moga and Andrei Stefan Ropcea, were awarded as Best Romanian Act at the MTV Europe Music Music Awards 2008. Some 1,000 Kosovars joined a group in the virtual community Facebook called “No Morandi on our independence day.”
Kosovo declared independence from Serbia on February 17, 2008, and so far has been recognized my most of the EU member-countries. Romania has said it is its policy not to recognise..
“Romania is lobbying to other countries not to recognize Kosovo. This is why we don’t want them [Morandi] here,” said one of the group members.
A young man, taking down an already ripped Morandi poster, said “they should have banned Romanians from entering Kosovo.”
The Facebook protest aside, tickets for the Tuesday evening concert in Pristina’s “1 Tetori” sports hall appeared to be selling well, the domestic audience keen on any international music acts that make the effort to play in Kosovo as part of their tours.
(Reporting by Krenar Gashi)
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Post by insomniac on Feb 17, 2009 2:18:44 GMT -5
i guess anything goes when it comes to recognitions. I for once never believed that Montenegro would recognize Kosovo.
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Post by wbb on Feb 17, 2009 2:19:42 GMT -5
big deal with romanian military in kosova bs. Are they in Kosova for peacekeeping or to help the serbs? if they help the serbs, leave Kosova, if they there for peacekeeping crap, then remain. In my oppinion, let the Albanians deal with their Kosovar Serbs minorities, Albanians are majority enough to deal with it in their own country.
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