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Post by Caslav Klonimirovic on Nov 23, 2008 22:56:15 GMT -5
I descend from a Muslim family, from Bosnia, and by ethnicity I am a Serb. I belong to Serbian literature, while the literature of Bosnia, to which I also belong, I consider only as my geographic literature center, and not a distinct literature of the Serbo-Croatian language. I equally respect my origin and my destination because I am associated to everything that determinated my personality and my work. Any attempt to disjoint that for any purpose I would consider as misuse of my basic right guaranteed by the constitution. I belong, so, to the same nation and literature of Vuk, Matavulj, Stevan Sremac, Borisav Stankoviæ, Petar Koèiæ, Ivo Andriæ, and my deepest kinship with them I don't need to prove.
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Post by sweetnugs on Nov 23, 2008 23:03:43 GMT -5
What are you trying to prove?
I mean if its that... ''all Bosniacs are just islamicized Serbs bla-bla' spare us, seriously. Its beyond old and not to mention annoying.
A Muslim man who felt Serb... okay, it has happened before, sure. Just like an Orthodox Serb who feels Bosnian, or a Croatian Bosniac who feels like a Croatian Muslim, only...
Do I really need to go on? Its the Balkans. A huge orgy of theories spread half evenly across every inch of the land into the heads of emotional and proud tribes.
Nothing surprises me when it comes to how some people feel down there (based on nationality, ethnicity, etc). Hell just look at Fikret Abdic's daughter who declares herself as a Croatian Muslim out of spite because Bosnians hate her father and everything that has to do with what he did.
Years from now some kid on a forum is going to use that same woman as a reference to further more promote some jackass theory while supporting his claims from people that will no longer be around.
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Post by bob1389 on Nov 23, 2008 23:24:18 GMT -5
Whilst I appreciate that the Bosniaks are their own seperate identity today, it is important not to lapse over the historical fact that they were the 'brainchild' so to say, of the Ottoman occupation of the Balkans. Serbs and Croats who embraced the Islamic religion and culture for whatever reasons and have since evolved to what they are today - a seperate identity both from Serbs and Croats.
Embrace your past, don't try to deny/rewrite it. Editting and making up stories on Wikipedia doesn't change the historical reality.
P.s Mesa je zakon!
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Post by Trazi Vise on Nov 23, 2008 23:37:02 GMT -5
Well ethnically he could be Serb, after all we invited them into the area more than a 1000 years ago. But how could he go so far back lol ?
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Post by bob1389 on Nov 23, 2008 23:42:54 GMT -5
'invited them' What have you been smoking bro? What's ours is ours and isn't for you to 'invite' or 'give' Based on that logic it's like you find my lost dog and then return it as a gift.
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Post by Trazi Vise on Nov 23, 2008 23:44:45 GMT -5
How can it be yours when you were never there in the first place lol ? Yes invited, read your history.
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Post by bob1389 on Nov 23, 2008 23:56:30 GMT -5
Kinda like the Croatian army "liberated" Knin from it's 99% Serbian population in 1995? Warped logic. You CANNOT 'give' (invite into) places which don't belong to you in the first place. I very much doubt you can even pronounce a place name like Virovitica let alone claim as Croatian. Serbs lived in those parts long before Croatia even thought of Statehood
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Post by Trazi Vise on Nov 24, 2008 0:22:15 GMT -5
Again, please read your history and please don't misquote or provoke me.
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Post by SKORIC on Nov 24, 2008 0:40:15 GMT -5
Stop being a genocidal ustasica, Illyria lol
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Post by bob1389 on Nov 24, 2008 0:41:54 GMT -5
How it must feel to be young and ignorant Those were the days... but seriously 'Illyria' it wouldn't hurt to start growing up.
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Post by tito on Nov 24, 2008 0:52:17 GMT -5
I descend from a Muslim family, from Bosnia, and by ethnicity I am a Serb. There are no ethnic serbs in Bosnia, only posrbice who claim to be ethnic serbs. LOL
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Post by Caslav Klonimirovic on Nov 24, 2008 0:58:09 GMT -5
I descend from a Muslim family, from Bosnia, and by ethnicity I am a Serb. There are no ethnic serbs in Bosnia, only posrbice who claim to be ethnic serbs. LOL You definately got him there with those points.
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Post by zgembo on Nov 24, 2008 0:58:52 GMT -5
Invited by whom, seriously? Who invited Croat tribes to come to the Balkans? Who invited Serbs to settle in Krajina? It wasn't the Croats or Bosnian Muslims. It was the Empires who ruled that land.
You are the one provoking Illyria.
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Post by Trazi Vise on Nov 24, 2008 1:39:25 GMT -5
bob, how it must feel to be a provocating idiot, I won't respond to you again.
Ok zegmbo, if you say so...
SKORIC, you should know by now I'm a fun loving, free person; in no way would I want to kill anyone :-)
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Post by kapetan on Nov 24, 2008 5:17:40 GMT -5
I think Muhamed Filipovic said it best.
"Safvet-beg Bašagic nije nikada bio, niti je hrvatski pisac, to nije bio Musa Cazim Catic, kao ni Mak Dizdar, kao što ni Meša Selimovic nije bio srpski pisac. Meðutim, ne treba sve bacati na te koji to cine, jer oni to èine na osnovu izjava, deklariranja i želja takvih pisaca. Treba znati da su se naši brojni pisci izjašnjavali kao Hrvati: Safvet-beg Bašagic, Musa Cazim Catiæ, Alija Nametak, Muratbegoviæ, Mak Dizdar; kao što su se drugi, od Avde Karabegovica do Meše Selimovica, izjašnjavali kao Srbi, a npr. Camil Sijaric kao Crnogorac. Druga je stvar zbog cega su to oni cinli. Svako zna da je Meša postao Srbin zbog terora nad njim kojeg je vršio Cvjetin Mijatovic, uz pomoæ nekih muslimanskih pseudo-intelektualaca, a da je Mak postao Hrvat, kako je meni lièno obrazložio, jer je tako imao bolju proðu i mogao štampati svoje knjige u vecem tiražu i u više izdanja, a to mu je bilo važno u sirotinjskom životu kojeg je veci dio svog života vodio. S druge strane, i mnogi drugi, politièari i navodni narodni voðe, su se izjašnjavali kao Srbi ili Hrvati. Tako je npr. i Alija Izetbegovic bio dugo godina Srbin, prema svom izjašnjenju u popisima stanovništva. To, meðutim, ne mijenja istinu i identitet tih pisaca. Svako, ko zaviri u njihova djela može se jednostavno uvjeriti da je sadržaj, jezik, faktura i sve o cemu oni pišu i kako misle, vezano sa Bosnom, vezano za bosanski naèin života i našu tradiciju i kulturu. Jedan od razloga da drugi preuzimaju naše pisce može biti i u tome što je malo naroda koji su u tako malo vremena dali toliko velikih pisaca. Uzmite samo kratak period od 1908.-1917. godine. U tom vremenu se meðu Bošnjacima raðaju Hasan Kikiæ, Ahmet Muratbegoviæ, Meša Selimovic, Skender Kulenovic, Midhat Begic, Safet Krupic, Samil Sijaric, Muhamed Abdagic, da navedemo samo najpoznatije i nesumnjivo velike pisce koji bi cinili cast svakoj našoj književnosti. To može biti razlog da se drugi pokušavaju na nama namiriti za oskudnost svojih pisaca. Ko zna." (oktobar 2005. za Radio Slobodna Evropa odgovarajuæi na pitanje o svojatanju bošnjackih i bosanskih intelektualaca od susjednih Srba i Hrvat)
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Post by Trazi Vise on Nov 24, 2008 5:22:37 GMT -5
^^^Then why did Safet talk about the Croatian language in his works??? There must be alot of dementia going on here or people don't really know which fence they sit on til it suits them :-)
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Post by ccccnjegoscccc on Nov 24, 2008 6:33:26 GMT -5
GREAT POINT GORSTAK!......why should anyone believe the primary sourse (His own quote), when the secondary sourse (by another person after his death) makes so much more sence?
tool..
im mean omfg.....seriously? WTF are you thinking? The guy HIMSELF said those things, then someone else 20 years after his death says another, and were supposed to believe him? Only a Bosniak, Macedonian or Montenegrin can interpret that kind of bullshit as valid historical evidence LOL
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Post by kapetan on Nov 24, 2008 19:09:46 GMT -5
Can you even read what it says? Obviosly not. Fuckin' moron. Stick to your Serbian faggot ass personalities. If you have any.
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Post by bog on Nov 24, 2008 19:21:09 GMT -5
GREAT POINT GORSTAK!......why should anyone believe the primary sourse (His own quote), when the secondary sourse (by another person after his death) makes so much more sence? tool.. im mean omfg.....seriously? WTF are you thinking? The guy HIMSELF said those things, then someone else 20 years after his death says another, and were supposed to believe him? Only a Bosniak, Macedonian or Montenegrin can interpret that kind of bulls**t as valid historical evidence LOL why do internet poeple use "tool" as an insult... tools are hammers, screwdrivers ,saws and the like, why is it a bad thing you are a rude person... . And its funny that some Serbs get of on history, nation states were made during the 1700-1800s, do you think the peasant slavs of the Balkans had developed identities? He was a Serb, like I care... Funny thing is modern Serb identity is based on religion, and doesn't have a "line" back to the tribe that came here in 700AD..... Funny thing is in the Balkans, you can chose what you want to be, some Serb in Bosnia could come out and say he is a Bosanski Pravoslavac... Some Muslim in Serbia wants to be a bigger Bosnian then Bosnians, and some Bosniac might say he is a Serb... It is all a joke. So get over your selfs.... Yes, Mesa tought of him self a Serb... But if you think your modern identity is any less BS then all the other Balkan identities, then you are fooling yourself
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