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Post by osmano on Mar 31, 2008 7:27:54 GMT -5
why hate eachother? As far as i notice the most haters here are bosniaks, dunno why you ppl hate so much? You are the only one here talking about hate. I was talking about the defence of Bosnia. Armija BiH fights cetniks and ustase not because you consider yours self’s to be "serbs" and "croats" but because you where attempting to destroy BiH. Bosniaks have no other home then Bosnia and therefore bosniaks fight cetniks out of love for Bosnia and not because we hate the so called "serbs".
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Post by Ja Ona i Pivo on Mar 31, 2008 8:53:42 GMT -5
I know u hate because u call every serb that u dont get along with a chetnik.. U guys call everyone who dont see BiH the same way as you chetniks...
My weiv of BiH is That RS is a part of BiH, not Independent... Serbs and Bosniaks could get along wery well, but i see the problem with your politican, u spend all your energy abolishing RS, why not integrate it instead.. Theres nothing wrong with the two entites, they just need to co-operate with each other... And if u think that abolishing rs will solve all problems than think agains. a big number of people are against that. And if u want to live with other in a multietnical country then u gott to listen to them too...
Didnt u say before u want to slaughter some one?Now whos hating?
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Post by osmano on Mar 31, 2008 9:25:21 GMT -5
Every serb who wants to steal half of my country is a cetnik yes. I never called you a cetnik before you started talking about destroying mosques and separating half of my country. And yes the cunt who said that Bosnia was created in order to be crushed deserves to have his head removed. Still I think 90% of the citizen’s of BiH want the same thing in the end: BiH joining EU so that people in BiH can have peace and economic prosperity = a good life. And that wont happen as long as the entities exist.
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Post by vucigorski on Mar 31, 2008 9:44:03 GMT -5
^^
I was the one who said it. And I dont take it back........Bosna as an entity/nation/country was created to be destroyed. Theres no question about it. Serbs, Croats and Muslims (Serbo-Croat Rejects) know it cant last, and so does the rest of the World. I dont think any sane person out there sees a future for the country. Its a sad truth....but still truth.
Now I didnt say Islam should be destroyed. Nor did i say Muslims, Croats or anyone should be killed, cleansed, converted etc. I didnt say anything about cities being shelled, villiages being destroyed, civilians massacred and I certainly didnt call for war.
Bosna is a place were people should live together, since the majority of us are of the same stock. However it should never be under a falce pretence like the creation of another 3rd world nation with no future. The believers of a funcitoning Bosna-Hercegovina are dreamers just like my parents were about Yugoslavia. But At least Yugoslavia went through 30 years of peace before the first conflicts arose. Bosna went to hell as soon as the decleration of Independance was announced.
If you want Bosna to survive............then keep it just the way it is. RS has every right to exist, in the same manner you Muslims believe Bosna does.
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Post by osmano on Mar 31, 2008 9:56:11 GMT -5
^^ I was the one who said it. And I dont take it back........Bosna as an entity/nation/country was created to be destroyed. Theres no question about it. Serbs, Croats and Muslims (Serbo-Croat Rejects) know it cant last, and so does the rest of the World. I dont think any sane person out there sees a future for the country. Its a sad truth....but still truth. Now I didnt say Islam should be destroyed. Nor did i say Muslims, Croats or anyone should be killed, cleansed, converted etc. I didnt say anything about cities being shelled, villiages being destroyed, civilians massacred and I certainly didnt call for war. Bosna is a place were people should live together, since the majority of us are of the same stock. However it should never be under a falce pretence like the creation of another 3rd world nation with no future. The believers of a funcitoning Bosna-Hercegovina are dreamers just like my parents were about Yugoslavia. But At least Yugoslavia went through 30 years of peace before the first conflicts arose. Bosna went to hell as soon as the decleration of Independance was announced. If you want Bosna to survive............then keep it just the way it is. RS has every right to exist, in the same manner you Muslims believe Bosna does. In that case I take back what I said,, tebe ne treba zaklati nego te treba na kolac nabiti
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Post by Boško Buha on Mar 31, 2008 10:15:18 GMT -5
Supporting a state that was created on the basis of genocide is logical to you? I find it funny that you people still cant see why there is so much hatred in Bosnia. Statebriga your giving me false examples of what the current situation in Bosnia is. If you can't comprehend reality then I am really not sure what there is for you in life.
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Post by stickinthemud on Mar 31, 2008 10:21:31 GMT -5
I think centralization is the wrong way to go for Bosnia. It needs to go in precisely the opposite direction of decentralization. I like the fact that Bosnia is divided into entities simply because of the fact that it means less centralization in the entire state. But I would go further than entities. I would like to see the entities themselves decentralize into independent provinces and those provinces decentralize into independent counties , counties into 'city states' and townships, and finally I believe individuals should have the right to secede from them with their property.
I don't maintain this principle for Bosnia alone but rather the entire Balkans and even the world beyond. It might be considered a radical position on my part but history has shown that less centralization always = more liberty and freedom for the people.
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Post by vucigorski on Mar 31, 2008 10:38:21 GMT -5
Which State are we talking about? :S
Republika Srpska? Or maybe Germany? Austria? Poland? Russia? Albania? Spain? Brazil? Argentina? Peru? Chile? How about the United States of America and their genocide of all their natives? Maybe Australia and their genocide of the Aborigines?? What about the 40 states in Africa created due to war and Genocide?
You Bosnian Muslims are such p****es. You dont realise that every nation is created through War and ethnic cleansing. What you went through in 91-95 is NOTHING compared to the suffering other ethnic groups have come under during the course of History. Hell even the Serbs of Bosna suffered 10x more then you guys in World War 1 and World War 2.
This victim card you play is simply due to your lack of history and culture. You have nothing in your past (Since it only started in 91) that makes you proud, so you only think about the bad stuff.
RS was the only State in history created by Ethnic Cleansing. Moron?
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Post by osmano on Mar 31, 2008 10:39:17 GMT -5
I think centralization is the wrong way to go for Bosnia. It needs to go in precisely the opposite direction of decentralization. No Bosniak has ever suggested centralization. In fact all the Bosniak-dominated parties want to decentralize BiH with a minimum of 5 economic regions --- as proposed by EU: This would mean the end of the cetnik dream of creating greater Serbia at he expense of BiH therefore the cetniks in RS refuse to accept it.
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Post by vucigorski on Mar 31, 2008 10:42:15 GMT -5
^^ Rightfully so! If Serbs supported that type of Bosna, wede be supporting Terrorism. Never negotiate with Terrorists.....RS is here to stay!
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Post by stickinthemud on Mar 31, 2008 10:50:49 GMT -5
I think centralization is the wrong way to go for Bosnia. It needs to go in precisely the opposite direction of decentralization. No Bosniak has ever suggested centralization. In fact all the Bosniak-dominated parties want to decentralize BiH with a minimum of 5 economic regions --- as proposed by EU: This would mean the end of the cetnik dream of creating greater Serbia at he expense of BiH therefore the cetniks in RS refuse to accept it. Is there anyway to increase the size of that map?I want to know what all the colors mean and what the legend on the side says. I'm always a fan of economic decentralization ( as well as political). But I have some questions maybe you can inform me about. 1) What is the point of government distribution of 'economic regions?' 2) Building on the first question, why can't the free market determine how economic decentralization would configure in Bosnia instead of the government? 3) Is this a push for a planned economy?
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Post by niquetamere on Mar 31, 2008 11:47:18 GMT -5
3) Yes it is, this is a push by the major EU Powers as well as Bosniak-dominated parties. Many Croat ones support it also, the only ones b***hing about it are Serbs because they don't want their kids to prosper since nationality is more important than economy. They'd rather sing nationalistic songs on an empty stomach than work towards something better for their children and rely blindly on their politicians.
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Post by vucigorski on Mar 31, 2008 11:59:21 GMT -5
^^ Serbs from Bosna were singing Hej Slaveni, sending their children to Pioniri camps and supporting Yugoslavia at World Cups............whilst the Muslims and Croats were arranging the destruction of our multi-ethnic nation and advocating all out war. Bosnas economy is always going to be shit............there is no chance of that changing. But if a Serb (or Croat) forgets his roots then there is a possibilty that his nationality can be changed (Hence "Bosnjaks"). So i advocate always been proud Serb above being proud Bosnian
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Post by niquetamere on Mar 31, 2008 12:12:35 GMT -5
RS = 2 Enclaves. Not only do you have Bosniaks and Croats coming to f**k you all ass, but also many mixed marriage folks and their kids who are joining their ranks in a race to a united BiH. I advocate that Serbs learn to reconcile for their own sake.
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Post by stickinthemud on Mar 31, 2008 13:13:23 GMT -5
3) Yes it is, this is a push by the major EU Powers as well as Bosniak-dominated parties. Many Croat ones support it also, the only ones b***hing about it are Serbs because they don't want their kids to prosper since nationality is more important than economy. They'd rather sing nationalistic songs on an empty stomach than work towards something better for their children and rely blindly on their politicians. Well, if this is a push for a planned economy then it IS a type of centralization. Only promoting a more free market orientated economy and less government 'planning' leads to real decentralization. I believe a planned economy will lead Bosnia down even more dire straights and I actually compliment the ones who oppose this ridiculous plan. I knew it looked fishy. lol.
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Post by stickinthemud on Mar 31, 2008 13:19:03 GMT -5
^^ Serbs from Bosna were singing Hej Slaveni, sending their children to Pioniri camps and supporting Yugoslavia at World Cups............whilst the Muslims and Croats were arranging the destruction of our multi-ethnic nation and advocating all out war. Bosnas economy is always going to be s**t............there is no chance of that changing. But if a Serb (or Croat) forgets his roots then there is a possibilty that his nationality can be changed (Hence "Bosnjaks"). So i advocate always been proud Serb above being proud Bosnian As long as Bosnia's economy remains planned it will not progress very far. I've just recently read that the Bosnian government 'owns' large shares of home grown companies in the region. Thats ridiculous and a perfect way to ward off real capital investment leading to more poorer conditions for the people ( except the bureaucrats of course). I know most of the people of the region are overtly nationalistic. I never really been able to understand this stupid concept myself. People would entrust their future and prosperity in a highly nationalistic ( and often militaristic) state based on the dribbling rhetoric of some self-styled Mussolinis? The vast majority of those people don't have a clue about how to achieve prosperity and only seek to empower themselves through the state at the peoples expense. I'd love to see the day when the people of the region wake up and take charge of their own lives and destinies that don't count on the false promises of nationalistic ideologues.
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Post by Boško Buha on Mar 31, 2008 14:55:32 GMT -5
Is that why Serbs have lost every single war that they ever fought in? You dumb serb!
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Post by vinjak on Mar 31, 2008 16:35:57 GMT -5
Is that why Serbs have lost every single war that they ever fought in? Hey ? where did you get that from ? While certainly battles have been lost, I think if you go through History you will see that the Wars definatley where not lost. You dumb Bosniak
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Post by Novus Dis on Mar 31, 2008 18:22:43 GMT -5
Every serb who wants to steal half of my country is a cetnik yes. I never called you a cetnik before you started talking about destroying mosques and separating half of my country. And yes the c**t who said that Bosnia was created in order to be crushed deserves to have his head removed. Still I think 90% of the citizen’s of BiH want the same thing in the end: BiH joining EU so that people in BiH can have peace and economic prosperity = a good life. And that wont happen as long as the entities exist. You don't even know what a Chetnik is. That said, how can Serbs steal land which is theirs? Supporting a state that was created on the basis of genocide is logical to you? I find it funny that you people still cant see why there is so much hatred in Bosnia. Statebriga your giving me false examples of what the current situation in Bosnia is. If you can't comprehend reality then I am really not sure what there is for you in life. Its our fault for the fall of Yugoslavia? If it wasn't for Serbian nationalism, yugoslavia would still be united. Serbs wanted total control over all of these countries, but no one let them have this chance. I know you don't have to cry about it. I guess Slovenian, Croatian and Muslim nationalism has nothing to do with destruction of Yugoslavia. It was all the fault of the Serbs because Slovenes, Croats and Muslims felt threatened. So it turns out that either you are wrong and it was the fault of Slovenes, Croats and Muslims or that Slovenes, Croats and Muslims are incredibly paranoid and are willing to start wars because of their paranoia. I'd rather take the word from him then any Serb. The German Kaiser told the truth. So you would rather take the opinion of a Serbophobe when the subject of Serbs comes up? Is it any wonder why your opinion on Serbdom is so screwed up? 3) Yes it is, this is a push by the major EU Powers as well as Bosniak-dominated parties. Many Croat ones support it also, the only ones b***hing about it are Serbs because they don't want their kids to prosper since nationality is more important than economy. They'd rather sing nationalistic songs on an empty stomach than work towards something better for their children and rely blindly on their politicians. How many is "many"? RS = 2 Enclaves. Not only do you have Bosniaks and Croats coming to f**k you all ass, but also many mixed marriage folks and their kids who are joining their ranks in a race to a united BiH. I advocate that Serbs learn to reconcile for their own sake. We survived the Ottomans and the Ustasha. After those 2 Muslims seem pitiful in comparison.
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Post by theblackswans on Mar 31, 2008 18:30:10 GMT -5
I know u hate because u call every serb that u dont get along with a chetnik.. U guys call everyone who dont see BiH the same way as you chetniks... My weiv of BiH is That RS is a part of BiH, not Independent... Serbs and Bosniaks could get along wery well, but i see the problem with your politican, u spend all your energy abolishing RS, why not integrate it instead.. Theres nothing wrong with the two entites, they just need to co-operate with each other... And if u think that abolishing rs will solve all problems than think agains. a big number of people are against that. And if u want to live with other in a multietnical country then u gott to listen to them too... Didnt u say before u want to slaughter some one?Now whos hating? 1) You are a cetnik (it is an insult to differentiate between people like you and real serbs) It is more about being a country hill person than being a serb. 2) RS needs to be abolished because it is not economically feasible for the country to have this enity. Bosnia is a small place and there are too many layers of government. When a train runs thru Bosnia they switch the engines between the RS and the Federation because there is no agreement to share such equipment! How stupid is that? If RS territory wasn't based upon genocide and ethnic cleansing and was based just upon what was prewar traditionally Bosnian Serb land and made economic sense then there woudl be a better argument. RS is a tumor that must be removed for the patient to live. I know some good doctors in BiH...
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