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Post by Fender on Mar 26, 2008 7:21:41 GMT -5
Thaci opposes Russian aid to Kosovo Serbs 26 March 2008 | 11:10 | Source: Tanjug PRIŠTINA -- Hashim Thaci wants all Russian aid sent to the Kosovo Serbs coordinated with Priština.
According to Albanian-language daily Zeri, the Kosovo prime minister has called on Russia to consult with the Kosovo institutions in Priština if it wants to send aid to the Kosovo Serbs.
“In these circumstances, Kosovo is independent, sovereign and has legitimate institutions. Serbs are Kosovo citizens, and a part of these legitimate and democratic institutions, and everything should be handled through these institutions, once an agreement is reached,” Thaci said.
Russian President Vladimir Putin announced that humanitarian aid would soon be sent to the Kosovo Serbs.
According to a statement from outgoing Russian ambassador to Serbia Alexander Alexeyev, discussions are being held with Belgrade in order to ascertain what the Kosovo Serbs require.
“Firstly, we must see what is most necessary—medicine, medical equipment, personal hygiene products. I think that it would be best to get the aid there via Serbia, and we will speak to UNMIK about this,” Alexeyev explained.
UNMIK spokesperson Alexander Ivanko said that the UN mission was ready to help Russia to give humanitarian aid to the Serb enclaves in Kosovo.
“We are ready to offer help to Russia in this matter,” Ivanko told Russian news agency Interfax.
UNMIK officials, however, have said that they have yet to receive any official request from Moscow.
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Post by Fender on Mar 26, 2008 7:31:57 GMT -5
Its interesting to note in the article that the Russians have not spoken nor recognised Thaci in any capacity what so ever. He talks, but the Russians don't listen. As a matter of fact, when the UDI was declared, the Russians haven't spoken to Thaci at all. All communications pertaing to Kosovo have been through either Serbia or the UN of both, but not through Thaci.
Secondly, Thaci knows that when the Russian aid strats flowing in to the enclaves, he cannot touch any of the shipments as I would firmly believe any of his cronies that stood in the way would be liquidated on the spot like the criminals they are.
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Post by Sh1 Shonić on Mar 26, 2008 7:51:12 GMT -5
“In these circumstances, Kosovo is independent - KFOR/US dependent?, sovereign - UN recognised? and has legitimate institutions- UNMIK?
Toliko, nemam vise komentara. ;D
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Post by radovic on Mar 26, 2008 9:39:32 GMT -5
I made this same exact post, so someone should delete the one I posted.
but any ways:
^ Looks like Thaci is following the same model for aid distribution as African warlords. They demand that they have a role in aid distribution but none of that aid is distributed instead they sell it for a profit.
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Post by Novi Pazar on Mar 26, 2008 17:50:15 GMT -5
“In these circumstances, Kosovo is independent, sovereign and has legitimate institutions. Serbs are Kosovo citizens, and a part of these legitimate and democratic institutions, and everything should be handled through these institutions, once an agreement is reached,” Thaci said.
But its not sovereign and independent!. Why should Russia nor anyone be listening or negotiating with terrorists, its obivious Russia doesn't, but the US does because it needs oil and global super power status.
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Post by ilirdardani on Mar 26, 2008 18:17:01 GMT -5
Its not sovereign? As far as I know Tadic is not the president of Kosovo. (or any other serb leader) We're as sovereign as it can get. Have been recognized by 70% of the worlds GDP, most of the EU countries (all of EU by year end) and will have been recognized by at least 140 countries by year end. Russia on the other hand needs to help its people first, who are poor, and then maybe help the Serbians in Srbija, and then if there are any left overs, help the Serbs in Bosnia. As for the Serbs in Kosovo, our govt will (and has offered) help (to) them. Oh yeah, did you guys get the story that the two Serbian ministers returned to the govt meetings?
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Post by Fender on Mar 26, 2008 18:32:50 GMT -5
Its not sovereign? As far as I know Tadic is not the president of Kosovo. (or any other serb leader) We're as sovereign as it can get. Have been recognized by 70% of the worlds GDP, most of the EU countries (all of EU by year end) and will have been recognized by at least 140 countries by year end. Russia on the other hand needs to help its people first, who are poor, and then maybe help the Serbians in Srbija, and then if there are any left overs, help the Serbs in Bosnia. As for the Serbs in Kosovo, our govt will (and has offered) help (to) them. Oh yeah, did you guys get the story that the two Serbian ministers returned to the govt meetings? Kosovo is as soverign as it can get. Good words and a very true statement. Kosovo can never reach what is considered around the world true soverignty which mens having clearly defined borders, UN membership, its own industry, Foreign Affairs, Army, Border Control etc. Pristina have not achieved any one of those critirea and thus its souvergnity is limited in more ways than an automonous state. You forget that the UN can VETO any law it likes. You can't do that in souverign nations.
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Post by ilirdardani on Mar 26, 2008 18:50:15 GMT -5
Let me help you on those points Fender moj prijatelj.
We have defined borders that has been recognized around the world. Look at the map, or better yet look at the flag and you'll see it. That map will not change for the next couple thousand years, unless global warming kills us all and no one is left alive. (which will not happen)
UN membership - we'll get it. (in a year or two, but it will happen)
Own industry - in 5 years time, we'll be the leading economic country in the Balkans. Just wait and see.
Foreign affairs - we'll open about 30 embassies after the summer (in july we'll get the new passports), and as far as I know every country that recognizes us has good relationship with us. (at the same time your country breaks relationships with them)
Army - we'll have a light army (but effective) for now, with weapons supplied by the US of course, and with time, it'll grow bigger, but only for protecting our people and our borders, not for occupying other countries like Serbia did in the '90s.
Border control - Kosovo police together with TMK together with Kfor will defend the borders, and that will change with time, as TMK becomes the new kosovo army, they'll get the job to defend the borders and Kfor will only be there to watch things, and with time (when we joing nato), they'll only be in their bases.
As for UN vetoing any law it likes, they will not have to, since our constitution has been created with the help of EU, US, and UN, so there is nothing to be vetoed. Everything will be done in harmony with the West. (unlike how things are being done in srbija)
Is that jasan enough for you?
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Post by Fender on Mar 26, 2008 19:14:44 GMT -5
Let me help you on those points Fender moj prijatelj. We have defined borders that has been recognized around the world. Look at the map, or better yet look at the flag and you'll see it. That map will not change for the next couple thousand years, unless global warming kills us all and no one is left alive. (which will not happen) UN membership - we'll get it. (in a year or two, but it will happen) Own industry - in 5 years time, we'll be the leading economic country in the Balkans. Just wait and see. Foreign affairs - we'll open about 30 embassies after the summer (in july we'll get the new passports), and as far as I know every country that recognizes us has good relationship with us. (at the same time your country breaks relationships with them) Army - we'll have a light army (but effective) for now, with weapons supplied by the US of course, and with time, it'll grow bigger, but only for protecting our people and our borders, not for occupying other countries like Serbia did in the '90s. Border control - Kosovo police together with TMK together with Kfor will defend the borders, and that will change with time, as TMK becomes the new kosovo army, they'll get the job to defend the borders and Kfor will only be there to watch things, and with time (when we joing nato), they'll only be in their bases. As for UN vetoing any law it likes, they will not have to, since our constitution has been created with the help of EU, US, and UN, so there is nothing to be vetoed. Everything will be done in harmony with the West. (unlike how things are being done in srbija) Is that jasan enough for you? Sorry, Kosovo borders are only defined within the UN structure which is a part of Serbia. Thaci has no control of the North and embassies does not constitute a Foreign Affairs department that takes its ultimate orders from the UN. I'm unsure of how Kosovo will ever attain UN membership.The UNSC will not endorse it nor does Kosovo have any where near the 2/3 majority in the General Council, which first of all needs approval through the UNSC before it can proceed. Saying so does not make it happen. Your delusional. Obviously your politicians are incapable of writing up a constitution but it still doesn't mean that your overlords can't VETO at will.
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Post by vinjak on Mar 26, 2008 19:33:30 GMT -5
Is that jasan enough for you?
Ilirdardani Jel ti sad Jasno ?
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Post by Novi Pazar on Mar 26, 2008 21:07:26 GMT -5
"Obviously your politicians are incapable of writing up a constitution but it still doesn't mean that your overlords can't VETO at will."
Fends, l seriously pondered about this for awhile, l also cannot ever see the provincial government being ever able to draft a constitution....at least they are capable of what they do best lol
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Post by SKORIC on Mar 27, 2008 6:16:45 GMT -5
Own industry - in 5 years time, we'll be the leading economic country in the Balkans. Just wait and see. lol.. good one
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Post by zgembo on Mar 27, 2008 6:23:53 GMT -5
We will be part of the UN, we will have an economy, we will, we will, we will.... well, when you do, then you will become sovereign... for now, you are not
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Post by ilirdardani on Mar 27, 2008 13:34:33 GMT -5
When we do you'll still claim that we're not sovereign.
Even when Serbia recognizes us, you as a person will claim that they were paid to do so and that we're STILL not sovereign.
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Post by fannoli on Mar 27, 2008 13:51:54 GMT -5
Being sovereign has nothing to do with UN membership. Its like saying you cant have a national soccer team without being in UEFA.
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Post by Anthologic on Mar 27, 2008 14:49:00 GMT -5
You can't though! It would be considered sub-national, like the Chechen Republic's team.
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Post by fannoli on Mar 27, 2008 14:55:32 GMT -5
UEFA is not a prerequisite to having a national soccer team which you can also compete with individual countries you have agreement with. Switzerland didnt stop from being sovereign just because it wasn't in UN. Easy concept folks. Politics 101.
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Post by ilirdardani on Mar 27, 2008 14:59:30 GMT -5
Exactly, no where does it say that you need to be in the UN. The UN is just like the EU for example. Albania, Serbia (etc) aren't in the EU but still they're in Europe and are sovereign nations.
Granted, being in the UN would help on the applications for the world bank and other organizations but don't get your hopes high thinking that we're not sovereign just because we're not in the UN. (yet)
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Post by Anthologic on Mar 27, 2008 15:04:39 GMT -5
Easy concept folks. Politics 101. I have a feeling you never actually took that course. Besides, do you see sub-national teams in UEFA? No. That implies something.... I'm not sure what though.... something about being a sovereign nation.... and um... I don't know.
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Post by fannoli on Mar 27, 2008 15:27:51 GMT -5
Easy concept folks. Politics 101. I have a feeling you never actually took that course. Besides, do you see sub-national teams in UEFA? No. That implies something.... I'm not sure what though.... something about being a sovereign nation.... and um... I don't know. I have a feeling you dont even know the definitions of terms such as: sovereign and nation. That alone should make me stop replying to you because you block information from getting to your brain. Again for the last time. Read carefully. UN just like UEFA is an organization. It gives legitimacy to the state but is not a prerequisite to being a "nation" or a "sovereign". If you cant get this simple concept start reading the definitions. Then after start reading definitions start reading on what are some elements of being a nation or a sovereign.
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