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Post by donnie on Mar 2, 2008 18:42:44 GMT -5
Police officer testifies at Suva Reka trial 17 January 2008 | 15:29 | Source: Beta BELGRADE -- A police officer from Prizren testified today at the Suva Reka war crimes trial.During the NATO bombing in 1999, Nikola Ljubisavljeviæ worked as an assistant to a team carrying out investigations in Suva Reka. Ljubisavljeviæ told the Belgrade District Court that he had heard about the crime that, according to the indictment, took place on March 26 1999, a day or two later in Prizren, where he was working on reducing crime in general in Suva Reka. “I heard that there had been some sort of disturbance and that some people had been killed,” said the witness, adding that he had discussed the matter with his colleagues, but that no-one knew the identities of the culprits. A number of policemen from Suva Reka have been charged with shooting dead several older members of the Berisha family, before taking the remaining men, women and children to the nearby Kalabria pizzeria and locking them inside. The accused then threw two hand grenades inside, before shooting dead anyone who was still showing any signs of life. Ljubisavljeviæ said that he had helped bury 18 bodies that, he claimed, had been brought from Prizren in a lorry. The site, he said, had been guarded by police officers from Suva Reka, while the bodies, of which two had been identified, were buried in plastic bags in a nearby cemetery. Then commander of the Niš Battalion Radoslav Mitroviæ, Suva Reka Chief of Police Radojko Repanoviæ, his assistant Nenad Jovanoviæ, and police officers Slaðan Èukariæ, Miroslav Petkoviæ, Zoran Petkoviæ, Ramiz Papiæ and State Security operative Milorad Nišaviæ are charged with the murders of 48 members of the Berisha family on March 26, 1999. The trial resumes tomorrow at 9.30 a.m. at the Special Court. Source: www.b92.net/eng/news/crimes-article.php?yyyy=2008&mm=01&dd=17&nav_id=47013
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Post by vinjak on Mar 2, 2008 19:07:12 GMT -5
Spies and traitors to the Serbian state just because you hide your guns,radios etc does not mean you are automaticaly a civilian.
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Post by tripwire on Mar 2, 2008 19:11:15 GMT -5
Spies and traitors to the Serbian state just because you hide your guns,radios etc does not mean you are automaticaly a civilian. Even if your statement was proven right, why were dead Albanian women and children and elder men found in a freezer truck in the Danube by one of your Serbian fishermen? A 2 month old baby is a spy or traitor to the murderous ethnic cleansers of the belgrade govt machine? Get real vinjak or you will begin to believe your own lies.
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Post by vinjak on Mar 2, 2008 19:17:33 GMT -5
Spies and traitors to the Serbian state, it has been proven that girls as young as 17 where full blown KLA members so when killed in combat it was easy to remove the gun and any evidence of being a combatant your lies worked really well.
A 2 month old baby
More lies
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Post by tripwire on Mar 2, 2008 19:32:35 GMT -5
Spies and traitors to the Serbian state, it has been proven that girls as young as 17 where full blown KLA members so when killed in combat it was easy to remove the gun and any evidence of being a combatant your lies worked really well. A 2 month old baby More lies You have proof they were KLA and they carried guns, then show it. What's taking your lawyers to prove this claim anyway? And yes, we have pictures and bones of our babies burned and shot by your JNA official bullets.
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Post by Novi Pazar on Mar 2, 2008 20:21:06 GMT -5
Thats fine Donnie and if that person or person's are found to be guilty then they will get their punishment. The Serbian nation is still awaiting Albanian KLA members and other terrorists to face a court of justice (not kangaroo courts) and that includes the president of a sham province and his hench men.
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Post by Novi Pazar on Mar 2, 2008 20:25:11 GMT -5
"Spies and traitors to the Serbian state just because you hide your guns,radios etc does not mean you are automaticaly a civilian."
This was an effective method by this terrorist organisation, they fight then disbanden into the civilian population and obiviously the civilians will happily hide them.
What annoys me Vin is that justice for them has been served but what about OUR open wound, our case hasn't been closed yet.
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Post by donnie on Mar 3, 2008 6:20:48 GMT -5
It was a family of 48 members. You're saying they were KLA members without any proof? Fine. From now on, whenever you give an account of Serbs being killed, we'll just say they were Chetniks in disguise. Convincing method of argumentation .... Also, I must say that you are being very two faced. When it is the other way around, i.e. a case of a former Muslim fighter in Bosnia being convicted for war crimes against Serbs, you have following to say to people who reason like you (infact, they are being far less 'justifying'); ' Why do you have a need to justify ? all I asked was for a comment on this thats all,' illyria.proboards19.com/index.cgi?board=bosniahercegovina&action=display&thread=1203706412 KLA members suspected of having carried out crimes have faced and face both international and local courts, such as Ramush Haradinaj, Fatmir Limaj etc. If these courts are "kangaroo courts" then I lack words to describe what Serbian courts are. It is not the Republic of Kosova that is hiding its criminals (Çeku and Thaçi are not wanted), but rather the criminal institution of RS and Serbia, where Mladic and Karadzic roam free.
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Post by Novi Pazar on Mar 3, 2008 6:30:22 GMT -5
^ proof is in the pudding!. Just like the US first labelled the KLA as a terrorist org then scrapped it becuase they served as a perfect proxy for their (USA) goals. Thaci is a criminal not only that he murdered people but also leads a band of mafia groups, and you know what these mafia mobs do.
Don't get me started with that thug haradinaj....pffft.
"then I lack words to describe what Serbian courts are"
because you can't....thats why!.....get out of here.
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Post by donnie on Mar 3, 2008 6:36:09 GMT -5
And what makes you think that the first label, other than wishful thinking, was correct? The KLA never carried out terrorist activities, unlike the Serbian army and police. If Thaçi would have been fairly suspected for having carried out crimes, he would have been called in much alike Haradinaj. But he is not a criminal. The real criminals are those heading the Serbian state, people who do not divert from Milosevician politics at all. Infact, the only reason for selling out Milosevic was to do something against the imposed sanctions.
You can't get started because you have nothing to say ... pfft.
I'd rather stay and annoy you some more. It is a free forum, and people are supposed to debate. Aren't you tired of everyone having the exact same ideas and opinions in this subforum, padding each other on the back constantly.
LOL.
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Post by Novi Pazar on Mar 3, 2008 6:37:52 GMT -5
"but rather the criminal institution of RS and Serbia, where Mladic and Karadzic roam free."
Mladic and Karadzic, not good, they could be hiding within the local population or a greater force like your friends today (USA) are preventing it from happening for a framing reason, who knows....serbia, however is clean, do you want me to go?
All the KLA leaders need to do is pay some drug money to people within the Hague and they are scott free, you know, buy corrupt people out like all those american senators.....evil donnie no soul, be ashamed because l would.
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Post by donnie on Mar 3, 2008 6:41:03 GMT -5
Wishful thinking again. But yeah ... Donnie is "evil", Karadzic and Mladic who are responsible for tens of thousands of civilian deaths are "not good". Thanks Novi, you made my day. ;D
Of course. Corruption is absent only in Serbia.
And the one without a soul is you, who despite having facts before his eyes, tries to acquit Serbia from the horrendeous crimes its army and police committed in Kosova, but also Croatia and Bosnia.
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Post by Novi Pazar on Mar 3, 2008 6:48:37 GMT -5
"The KLA never carried out terrorist activities, unlike the Serbian army and police."
The serbian army and police never carried out terrorist activities. Why was the KLA labelled as a terrorist org by the US state department. So your telling me that the serbian terrorists provided terrorists for both the london and madrid bombings with semtex and other materials?
"You can't get started because you have nothing to say ... pfft."
A guy who has been charged with with 37 counts of war crimes....please don't get me started....pfft!.
"I'd rather stay and annoy you some more. It is a free forum, and people are supposed to debate. Aren't you tired of everyone having the exact same ideas and opinions in this subforum, padding each other on the back constantly."
Don't get too angry it was only a figure of speech, l allow and pride myself on freedom to all only if they conduct themselves in proper mannerisms, l don't care if one talks about lies or truths but this is a forum for discussions not a forum of one biased opinions and communistic values!.
So speak as much as you like, you will have your freedom here, l guarantee!.....but no swearing.
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Post by Novi Pazar on Mar 3, 2008 7:21:32 GMT -5
"Wishful thinking again. But yeah ... Donnie is "evil", Karadzic and Mladic who are responsible for tens of thousands of civilian deaths are "not good". Thanks Novi, you made my day."
Sorry bud, you said that not me.
"Of course. Corruption is absent only in Serbia."
I never said that, but the drugs and terrorists down there in kosovo with its bomb supplies on call for terrorists around the world is stunning, l'm asking you, are you proud of this evil?.
"And the one without a soul is you, who despite having facts before his eyes, tries to acquit Serbia from the horrendeous crimes its army and police committed in Kosova, but also Croatia and Bosnia."
So would l go and desecrate cemetries and have my grandfather tell his grandchildren to rape women....they are people with no morals and soul, no respect for life, this is not even mentioned in the koran for christs sake. Crimes did happen in Croatia and Bosnia but they did not happen in kosovo like RACAK, lies and deception to frame the victim donnie, just like the staged ethnic cleansing because the KLA played the fear of a centuries old blood feud to tribal leaders that if they don't conform to the KLA commandments then they may risk reprisals when they return.
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Post by Novi Pazar on Mar 3, 2008 7:36:59 GMT -5
An off topic post but one l need to say.
Donnie, l know you are feeling on a high after 17 Feb with 20 add recognitions, and whatever you may read, l know there will be a cynical smirk on your face, but mark my words, today in 2008 will be smooth sailing for the kosovo albanian population (you are only into the induction phase or the start of it) but something will give in this sham and joy will turn to cries and desparation as a population will be enslaved into NATO's laboratory, you will suffer and die while they will be drinking coffee in downtown NYC....your loves ones will return in body bags. You will hate and try to resist but they will brake your bones, you are enslaved Donnie and there is no way turning back know.....your people is doomed.
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Post by donnie on Mar 3, 2008 7:48:33 GMT -5
Novi
I see you're just full of it. More so than you ever were before. Prior to February 17, I could sense atleast a slight amount of reason deep within a hard nationalist exterior amidst you diaspora Serbs. Now, it seems you have lost touch with reality furthermore. I mean, you even have the audacity to claim that what Albanians did to Serbs in Kosova was worse than what the Serbs did to the Albanians; stating that everything was a farce, that our "crimes" were worse than those of the Serbs in Bosnia. Facing such utter blindness, I am disgusted and feel almost compelled to not pursue this meaningless debate further.
I mean, here you read an article about an entire family of 48 members being executed ... and you can only speak of 'desecrated graves'. You are lost Novi, as is your soul.
Hopefully, and probably, the Serbs of Serbia will preserve their sanity and look beyond the recent development and emancipate themselves from their slave-owner contract with Russia. Isolation and a worthless economy is otherwise to be expected.
As for body bags and massacred family members; this occured while the SERBS were present in Kosova. They killed several of my family members, including my 95 year old greatgrandmother and a 17 year old cousin. The EU is different. So far, they have killed none of my relatives, nor have they enslaved them. I know that our independence is killing you from within. But try to maintain some logical sense. Kosova was enslaved and brutalized by Serbia, not Nato or the EU. And now, being that Kosova's progress is so intertwined with Nato's and EU's reputation (they have openly taken Kosova's side in its conflict with Serbia), they must seek to make the former province and current Republic a success story. Whereas Serbia is being exploited by Putin, Russia and its opportunistic leaders to give profit to a few and make lives miserable for alot. Or would you say that Russia & China, Venezuela or Indonesia, as opposed to the EU, are democratic role models? Just sit down and think about which countries are taking which side ... a more black and white picture cannot be portrayed.
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Post by vinjak on Mar 3, 2008 16:22:02 GMT -5
Ah lies and deciete where your biggest weapon against Serbs did you know that kids as young as 12 where being used as gophers to report Serbian positions, did you also know that Teenagers where recruited into the KLA as combatants, girls and boys and they actulay volunteered, I am not saying they where forced" but volunteered,did you know that Women also formed the ranks of the KLA old men where used in what capacity they could manage, spieing etc there really where no civilians except the very young you all had one goal and that was to gain independence. did you also know that Snipers where holed up in villages with the so called innocents who hid them ? So dont come here and preach the poor civilian card, you know very well the tacktics used by your mob dont play dumb as it does not work and neither will your propaganda and lies theivery murder etc
All in good time we will reclaim one day what is ours and the truth is slowly comming out ......slowly but surely.
Guerilla warfare is a very dirty business and you exploited it to its full, my congratulations to you and yours as you used it well of course the Germans etc helped you but nevertheless you succeeded but its our turn now although it will be fought in the courts where you cannot use your advantage as you could in direct conflict.
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Post by Novi Pazar on Mar 3, 2008 17:56:20 GMT -5
"I mean, here you read an article about an entire family of 48 members being executed ... and you can only speak of 'desecrated graves'. You are lost Novi, as is your soul."
I said thats fine, if they are found guilty they will get their punishment. Remember Donnie no genocide in kosovo only a couple of thousand dead which includes all sides. Desecrated graves is a souless act, you know that....and grandparents encouraging their grandchildren to rape women....evil just evil.
"Hopefully, and probably, the Serbs of Serbia will preserve their sanity and look beyond the recent development and emancipate themselves from their slave-owner contract with Russia. Isolation and a worthless economy is otherwise to be expected."
No UN recognition will hit hard and Albin Kurti's words will pump through your head, your the ones who will be the laughing stock. The EU desparately wants serbia to join and recently we've seen unemployment fall and the bad ecomony improving, however kosovo province is full of sex, drugs, weapons, terrorists, semtex and albania well what can l say, there is alittle tiny boom in the construction industry with rama behind it all, but still no real improvement, thats why your king bush had his watch stolen. Albania is a buffer state and it will always continue to be one thats its purpose all along and past history has proven that fact.
"As for body bags and massacred family members; this occured while the SERBS were present in Kosova. They killed several of my family members, including my 95 year old greatgrandmother and a 17 year old cousin. The EU is different. So far, they have killed none of my relatives, nor have they enslaved them. I know that our independence is killing you from within."
Independance is not recognised by the UN, its only gotten 20 odd recognitions primarily from the USA's suck up friends.
Right the serbs killed your family, but this could had been by the KLA?....they are the terrorists in all of this, they have been proven to kill innocent civilians while they disbanden and hide amoungst the people. I'm curious, didn't they conform to the KLA's demands?
"Kosova was enslaved and brutalized by Serbia, not Nato or the EU."
Any examples?
"being that Kosova's progress is so intertwined with Nato's and EU's reputation (they have openly taken Kosova's side in its conflict with Serbia), they must seek to make the former province and current Republic a success story. "
How did iraq and afghanistan go or somalia.....the money will go to keep camp bondsteel in good condition.
"Whereas Serbia is being exploited by Putin, Russia and its opportunistic leaders to give profit to a few and make lives miserable for alot."
Examples?
"Just sit down and think about which countries are taking which side ... a more black and white picture cannot be portrayed."
How many countries have recognised?....maybe there might be more from islamic countries but not the promised 100 as Thaci the criminal predicted will happen IMMEDIATELY.
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Post by Fender on Mar 3, 2008 19:43:59 GMT -5
Not to worry boys, donnie and his ilk are still wearing the rose coloured glasses.
Here's the reality. Thaci thinks he's in charge, but no listens. Thaci can't have a foreign ministery nor an army. Thaci expressed more than a passing interest to have a seat at the UN, but we all know that's impossible. recognition has peaked at about 25 nations. Thaci has forgotten what Northern Kosovo looks like since he can't go in there nor do they listen to him or want him.
He has lost control of the border crossing, he has lost control of the rail network in Northern Kosovo, more importantly, his drug trade through the administrative borders has been cut to, if lucky a trickle.So its back to the donkey crossing over the ranges through either Crna Gora or Macedonia.
And this is the good new.
The bad news for Thaci is that he can never expect the North to rejoin. He can never expect to trade properly with Serbia. He can never expect to join international organisations of significance which provide the all important funding boost. He can never expect serious organisations/companies to invest because of the ambiguitiy that is Kosovo. If such companies were to invest, they would expect their main source of income to come from the Serb people as that is where the main economy of the region makes money. Albania's, Crna Gora's and Macedonians economies combined, still do ot add up to Serbia. Thaci can expect Serbia to continually ask for its province back. Thaci can expect sometime down the track that Serbia will take it off his hands forcefully, having said that, NATO will not be there forever and a day. The only country bordering Kosovo that recognises Kosovo is Albania.
All in all, the prospects for Thaci and the KLA are not good. Not only are they inept at fighting wars, they also have no idea on how to run legitimate government.
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Post by donnie on Mar 4, 2008 11:55:03 GMT -5
Vinjak
Surprised to see even you, a less spiteful Serb not equally filled with hatred, justifying the massacres of defenceless civilians just because they were Albanian. I guess our whole population was armed.
P:s Sweden recognized Kosova today lads ;D
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