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Post by Beach Police on Jan 4, 2008 15:31:56 GMT -5
Madrid: ETA will refer to Kosmet’s example 04. January 2008. 19:16
If Albanian leaders in Kosmet unilaterally proclaim independence of the province, the Basque separatist organization ETA will follow its example and ask for secession from Spain, announced Gara, their local newspaper. This daily, which ETA uses for communicating with the public, writes that the Basque people have the right to self-determination and in this context cites the example of Kosmet and Scotland. Spanish media report that Basque leaders want to organize a referendum by 2010 about the state independence of this region. Radio Srbija
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Post by vinjak on Jan 4, 2008 16:09:39 GMT -5
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Post by meltdown711 on Jan 4, 2008 16:23:16 GMT -5
If the Basques truly want independence, then I think they should have it. Its their democratic right to. However, as it seems, only 38% of Basques actually want independence: www.20minutos.es/noticia/147900/0/vascos/independencia/sociometro/The Basque issue has been going on for a while now, and recently it has been going quite peacefully. So I dont see the problem with it. If they want it, and they eventually succeed, more power to them. On top of all this, unlike Kosova, Basque country is one of the wealthiest in Spain. The Spanish do not seem to have thought of the region in the same terms. Unlike Serbs, they did not ignore it and let it starve, or so it seems. Unlike Serbia, Spain does not seem to have unleashed a major operation designed to expel the vast majority of the population.
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Post by tyson on Jan 4, 2008 18:00:07 GMT -5
america thinks it can dictate to the whole world the will of america and impose decisions on other countries, regardless if it goes against international laws, and then thinks it can put its stamp of approval and tell the rest of the world that its a special case, and declare that their decison will not set a precedent because america said so. america wants to dictate the whole world to their will. america are so arrogant and bullyish that its beyond sickening
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Post by Novi Pazar on Jan 4, 2008 21:20:46 GMT -5
The US knows fully well that this will create a precedent, they are only saying that it won't, just to downplay the consequences.
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Post by Novi Pazar on Jan 4, 2008 21:27:55 GMT -5
"america are so arrogant and bullyish that its beyond sickening"
The Americans are losing influence and have also lost respect in the international arena. Currently they are slowly getting into hybernation because of its debt ridden society, l won't be surprised if they get into a resession soon. They are so intent on finishing off what they have started and promised, but this isn't iraq and they have somewhat hit a hard stone wall because of the rising bear who has just awoken from its deep hybernation.
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Post by tyson on Jan 4, 2008 21:50:58 GMT -5
the funny thing is that even though by UN rules they are wrong, and they have got their hands tied with its military missions in iraq and afghanistan, and diplomatic wars with iran, syria and north korea, they still wont let up on its support for kosovo independance. all the U.S. presidential hopefuls, hilary clinton, barack obama, mike huckabee and others all have all promised to push for an independant kosovo. it seems that no matter what the candidate is, they all will continue with the global policies that their predecessors didnt finnish, for america as a nation not to be seen on the international scene as someone who bails out of the mess that they have caused, so as not to lose face . its part of the american ideology to never back down or give up on anything. that is just one of the types of arrogance of the american nation. they wont admit they're wrong, or accept defeat. even if they realize themselves that they're wrong. vietnam was america's greatest humiliation, and they'll never get over that they were defeated there. because of this, that has pushed america even more to "sticking it out" in any of their global policies that they pursue. thats why they're still in iraq and afghanistan, and clinton, obama or huckabee wont pull them out of there either until they believe that they have won that mission. the issue with kosovo could well end up with a strong confrontation of russia and america, which could possibly start another cold war if russia choses not to back down, but instead go all the way with this.
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Post by donnie on Jan 5, 2008 4:18:28 GMT -5
The US knows fully well that this will create a precedent, they are only saying that it won't, just to downplay the consequences. Yes. Because I am sure that if Kosova is denied independence, ETA will cease to exist. As will all other separatist organizations around the globe. I mean, they all emerged only after the KLA came to existance
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Post by jerryspringer on Jan 5, 2008 7:14:44 GMT -5
Well, all of the Democratic candidates are against the war in Iraq and want to bring the troops home. Vietnam got a lot of publicity and they bailed out because of rising problems at home. Still, on paper, they were not defeated. If you want a clear American defeat, check on their conflict in the Philippines. www.historyguy.com/PhilipineAmericanwar.html
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Post by vinjak on Jan 5, 2008 16:58:18 GMT -5
Well, all of the Democratic candidates are against the war in Iraq and want to bring the troops home.
I have heard this but has anyone actualy given a concrete plan of how to acheive this ? I cannot see a way of doing this in the short to medium term by actualy leaving the mess they (US) have created would be disatrous.
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