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Post by highduke on Dec 12, 2007 18:31:19 GMT -5
THIS IS INTIMATELY CONNECTED WITH ANOTHER THREAD OF MINE HERE IN HERE IN SERBIA FORUM ( illyria.proboards19.com/index.cgi?board=srbijaserbia&action=display&thread=1196711083 / Russia to support return of Serb military & police to Kosovo). PLEASE TAKE A LOOK AT IT IF YOU HAVEN'T ALREADY. HERE IS HOLBROOKE'S INTERVIEW: www.nytimes.com/cfr/world/slot1_20071205.html?_r=1&pagewanted=2&oref=sloginIs there any chance the Serbs will try to send troops into Kosovo?There’s a chance, and the only way to prevent that is twofold: One, the international community must prevent Albanians from taking vengeance against the Serbs. That’s a real danger and it’s a big one. Secondly, the presence of additional international troops, NATO troops in particular, is the best guarantee to reduce the chances of that happening. Serb troops moving into Kosovo would be such a provocation that it’s hard to imagine, but this year everything has gone wrong in the region because of the Russian encouragement of the Serbs. CONTINUING... In Bosnia, after twelve years in which the Dayton Accords [which Holbrooke helped broker] have worked pretty well, and there have been no casualties, a very serious dilemma has now arisen. In the Serb portion of Bosnia, the Serb leader, Milorad Dodik, has previously been pro-Western and worked with the United States and the EU quite well, but he now seems to have been turned into something of an anti-Western, pro-Russian, pro-separatist leader. I believe it’s because the Russians have been showering petrodollars on him and he’s under intense pressure.
Most people hate each other, really hate each other, much more than in Bosnia. In Kosovo, there was almost no intermarriage, there are completely different languages, different cultures sitting in the same land—it’s much more like Arabs and Israelis. Bosnians, Croats, and Serbs all spoke the same language, all went to the same schools, all lived together—it wasn’t the kind of apartheid that you’ve got in Kosovo. And there’s so much history there. Even in the Middle East, you will not find people who hate each other as much as these people. HOLBROOKE IT TURNS OUT, IS ACTUALLY INFORMED ABOUNT THE HISTORY OF KOSOVO... Talk a bit about the situation in Belgrade. The Serbian government is supposedly pro-Western, right? And they’ve been talking about trying to get in the EU.Calling the Serbian government in Belgrade pro-Western is a bit of a stretch. They are intensely nationalistic, particularly Prime Minister Vojislav Kostunica. He is a real nationalist. Former Serbian President Slobodan Milosevic was a fake nationalist. He’s the real deal. He has a mystical attachment to Kosovo as the birthplace of the Serb people. Some of the greatest religious monuments in Europe are these ancient Serb monasteries that are all over Kosovo—twelfth-, thirteenth-, fourteenth-century monasteries. So the Serbs have been there a long time, but over time this area has become overwhelmingly Albanian.DESPITE KNOWING THAT ALBANIANS CLEANSED THE SERBS TO GET THEIR PRESENT MAJORITY, HOLBROOKE STILL DOESN'T GET THE BIGGER PICTURE.
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Post by highduke on Dec 12, 2007 18:58:50 GMT -5
CHECK THIS OUT: seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2004064669_kosovo11.html?syndication=rssThe fervor of Russia's support surprised even some Serbian officials and has pushed the government in Belgrade to harden its positions, making compromise virtually impossible. Last week, for the first time a member of Serbian Prime Minister Vojislav Kostunica's inner circle, Aleksandar Simic, raised the prospect of warfare as a legitimate option to be considered by the government. LOOKSLIKE THE ALBANIANS REALIZE THAT THEY'RE FINISHED... For Serbia's leaders, Russian support is good for domestic consumption, especially before the presidential election to be held in the first part of next year.
And among Kosovo's Albanians, there is a sense that they should have moved to independence a year or two ago, before Putin had a chance to seize the issue.
"Maybe our mistake was not settling this earlier," said Shpend Ahmeti of the Institute for Advanced Studies in Pristina, the Albanian-controlled capital of Kosovo.
This Russian-American Cold War-redux is etched on the ground here.
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Post by cando4u on Dec 12, 2007 19:20:47 GMT -5
So stupid
This article clearly shows who the Puppet master and Puppets are.
Serbia, make sure the strings are on tight .
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Post by Novi Pazar on Dec 12, 2007 20:10:37 GMT -5
"Calling the Serbian government in Belgrade pro-Western is a bit of a stretch. They are intensely nationalistic, particularly Prime Minister Vojislav Kostunica. He is a real nationalist. Former Serbian President Slobodan Milosevic was a fake nationalist. He’s the real deal. He has a mystical attachment to Kosovo as the birthplace of the Serb people. Some of the greatest religious monuments in Europe are these ancient Serb monasteries that are all over Kosovo—twelfth-, thirteenth-, fourteenth-century monasteries. So the Serbs have been there a long time, but over time this area has become overwhelmingly Albanian."
I found this passage kind of funny considering the americans did all they could to overthrow Milosevic and replace him with a puppet, but it seems like this puppet has gone evil - lol.
Ofcourse Holbrooke knows the real history, you gotta know something about your enemy!.
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Post by Fender on Dec 12, 2007 20:23:35 GMT -5
Holbrooke is trying to reinvent himself. He too full of his own self importance to be taken seriously.
With Serbia now using the UN courts to settle this, it will become even more irrelevant the proclomation of independance.
In the courts, they would loose hands down. It can be proven without a doubt that the Albanians started this illegaly and have used illegal methods throughtout this campiagn with the aid of the US. The US will be also be shown to be complicit in every department thus ruining an image thats already bad through the world.
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Post by albanesehoney on Dec 12, 2007 21:32:59 GMT -5
Taking this case to the world court is a BIG MISTAKE for Serbia. Serb leaders already won a political bs line with the genocide case against them. They should quit while they have this judgment in their hands. Taking this case to this court will only give Russia/China etc the green light they've been looking for to wash their hands of Serbia and their whinings for more talks. But then, who am I to tell Serb leaders what to do. They've already shown themselves to be real geniuses when it comes to int'l affairs.
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Post by Fender on Dec 13, 2007 9:18:00 GMT -5
Taking this case to the world court is a BIG MISTAKE for Serbia. Serb leaders already won a political bs line with the genocide case against them. They should quit while they have this judgment in their hands. Taking this case to this court will only give Russia/China etc the green light they've been looking for to wash their hands of Serbia and their whinings for more talks. But then, who am I to tell Serb leaders what to do. They've already shown themselves to be real geniuses when it comes to int'l affairs. You made no sense what so ever. You first say that they won the judgment against genocide and should now cut and run. What for? If the International courts couldn't pin genocide on them with Srebrenica, then the Serbs would win hands down in this judgment with Kosovo and you know it. Hence your ludicrous request.
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Post by tripwire on Dec 13, 2007 9:25:34 GMT -5
What for?--fendor
Because Serbs know and said that those courts were kangaroo courts. The decision was 5-4. That shows how close it was.. Shows the politcization of the genocide issue and wanting serbia to join eu, not the truth of what actually happened and how serbs are condemned by world public opinion as genocidal.
Like i said, kostunica is a genius, I hope he follows through on his will. He's been working against Serbs since day 1 and he'll continue in milosevic's footsteps.
Soon, you and bj opps bp will be condemning him as a paid opportunist for the Albanians too. Just like you did to slobo and his co. of thug killers. But this time, you won't get away with it. You'll finally see that an evil black heart and its intent will always have God's will and plan in his words and hands. Doing the evil to himself and those who sign on to his evil deeds..just like slobo did to his precious belgrade and serbia.
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Post by Fender on Dec 13, 2007 9:28:33 GMT -5
What for?--fendor Because Serbs know and said that those courts were kangaroo courts. The decision was 5-4. That shows how close it was.. Shows the politcization of the genocide issue and wanting serbia to join eu, not the truth of what actually happened and how serbs are condemned by world public opinion as genocidal. Like i said, kostunica is a genius, I hope he follows through on his will. He's been working against Serbs since day 1 and he'll continue in milosevic's footsteps. Soon, you and bj opps bp will be condemning him as a paid opportunist for the Albanians too. Just like you did to slobo and his co. of thug killers. But this time, you won't get away with it. You'll finally see that an evil black heart and its intent will always have God's will and plan in his words and hands. Doing the evil to himself and those who sign on to his evil deeds..just like slobo did to his precious belgrade and serbia. Don't confuse the Hague courts with the International Courts. Two different things. The International court was the one that found Serbia not guilty with Srebrenica. The other court with Del Ponte is the illegitimate court. As far as the rest of rant is concerened, its not worth answering as there is no basis in fact in your ravings .
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Post by avenger on Dec 13, 2007 10:25:14 GMT -5
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Don't confuse the Hague courts with the International Courts. Two different things.
The International court was the one that found Serbia not guilty with Srebrenica. The other court with Del Ponte is the illegitimate court.
As far as the rest of rant is concerened, its not worth answering as there is no basis in fact in your ravings .[/quote]
All the International Courts, including The Hague, are all illegitimate and challenge the authenticity of national soveriegnty.
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Post by sorryp on Dec 13, 2007 11:04:03 GMT -5
Sorry Avenger, why those "Legitgimate" courts are *not* recognized by NATO? Well i think that the "western" system is full of holes, that a 12 years old can mathematically proove on paper. Shame. *You* made Putin look not only a keeper of international law and order but ... the *ONLY* keeper of international law!!!
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Post by Anthologic on Dec 15, 2007 18:27:08 GMT -5
Well in the case of Kosovo, Putin is in accord with international law...
Chechnya not so much.
I'm curious, are you in personal contact with Russian and Chinese politicians?
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Post by theblackswans on Dec 16, 2007 1:21:24 GMT -5
Don't confuse the Hague courts with the International Courts. Two different things. The International court was the one that found Serbia not guilty with Srebrenica. The other court with Del Ponte is the illegitimate court. As far as the rest of rant is concerened, its not worth answering as there is no basis in fact in your ravings .[/quote] All the International Courts, including The Hague, are all illegitimate and challenge the authenticity of national soveriegnty. [/quote] The international court has always bent to political will and isn't at all independant. That Serbia was found not guilty on some charges is just one small part. They were convicted of not following there legal obligations. Also if the court had all the information that was witheld from them, Serbia would have been convicted for sure. Belgrade couldn't afford to send billions to Bosnia in war reperations, this is another reason why they were found not guilty.
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Post by Fender on Dec 17, 2007 3:15:33 GMT -5
Who the f-u-c-k is deleting my posts!!!! And why!? I didn't post anything offensive! Not me. Repost it.
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Post by vinjak on Dec 19, 2007 16:40:17 GMT -5
Posts from Viktor where originaly deleted by Sh1 Shonic who explained that the UCK reference in the Sig was offensive I have left 2 messages for Viktor to remove the UCK in his Sig when posting in the Serbian Forum as it is offensive to members here. Apparently he (viktor) has not read or chosen to ignore my message to him, there cannot be double standards here, If a Serbian member was to post with any thing Nationalistic in there Sig there would be an outcry so...........................
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Post by Pejoni on Dec 20, 2007 12:02:24 GMT -5
vinjak, you edit his post by removing his tag, how hard can it be?
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Post by Dsurazal on Dec 20, 2007 12:36:51 GMT -5
Did you not just see his reply post? Viktor shouldn't even be allowed to post on this board - he's an instigator. His remarks are antagonizing. And why should moderator's be forced to edit all remarks by one individual instead of him doing the simple, right thing?
I prefer him to not change his sig. so instead of having to read immature remarks, I can one button delete the whole thing. Thanks Viktor.
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Post by Pejoni on Dec 20, 2007 12:39:43 GMT -5
Did you not just see his reply post? Viktor shouldn't even be allowed to post on this board - he's an instigator. His remarks are antagonizing. And why should moderator's be forced to edit all remarks by one individual instead of him doing the simple, right thing? I prefer him to not change his sig. so instead of having to read immature remarks, I can one button delete the whole thing. Thanks Viktor. You are taking this way to personal, if the guy wants to say smth.. then its his right as long as its not insulting, but I bet you get a bone by deleting Albanian post dont you? L-O-L
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Post by Dsurazal on Dec 20, 2007 12:52:06 GMT -5
Why are you interested in other people's bones?
All I am saying is if Viktor won't do the right thing than in the end it really saves us a lot of time editing. Thanks Viktor!
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Post by vinjak on Dec 20, 2007 17:42:40 GMT -5
vinjak, you edit his post by removing his tag, how hard can it be? Well Duh Of course I tried to edit just the Sig but I cannot for some reason, so, before I deleted any of his posts I tried twice to reason with him, but both messages where ignored.
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