Bozur
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Post by Bozur on Dec 15, 2007 20:00:13 GMT -5
We're On The Brink Of A Balkan Bloodbath Dec 10 2007 George Galloway WHILE most were asleep, we've walked to the brink of yet another war in the Balkans. Kosovo is a part of Serbia. That's a legal and political fact. It wants to break away and appears to have secured British and American agreement, but not, alas, the agreement of either Serbia, whose land it is, or Russia, which will veto any breakaway in the UN. The Kosovo Liberation Army (KLA) rules the roost and has said it will make a unilateral declaration of independence soon. The Serbs cannot allow Kosovo, sacred to their orthodox Christian heritage for 1000 years, to go without a fight. Serbia, with Russian help, outguns the KLA, who can only fight with outside help. That's where we come in. In the Nineties, we provided the air force for the breakaway KLA, branded as late as 2000 by the US as a "terrorist organisation". But this time we would have to be their infantry as well. Fancy another war, anyone? And Serbia is not the only place where there is a substantial Albanian minority. One quarter of the former Yugoslavian republic of Macedonia is Albanian. They want independence too. And 50 per cent of Bosnia-Herzegovina is Serb. If Kosovo declares independence, so might the Bosnian-Serbs. Then we will be back in the bloody Balkan wars. Moreover, the principle that astate can be dismembered against its will is pregnant with problems all over the world. The Kurdish people are 20 million strong in Turkey and would like to break away. Would we fight for them? Of course not. Which goes to show the hypocrisy which has accompanied the break-up of Yugoslavia all along. Lord George "Bomber" Robertson was one of the chief propagandists for the last Kosovo war. You will remember his sonorous claim that the Serbs had murdered 100,000 Albanians and we must act. In fact, 3000 people died, less than the death toll in Northern Ireland, and picture if you will the outrage in Britain if the US Air Force had started bombing us over that. No one knows how many of the 3000 were Albanians or Serbs, or who killed them and how. Kosovo is a garrison for foreign soldiers, and at the same time Europe's major hub for gun-running, drugsmuggling, people-trafficking and prostitution. If it becomes independent onthe point of our bayonets, don't say you weren't warned. 'In the Nineties, we provided the air force for the KLA. This time we would have to be their infantry as well' www.dailyrecord.co.uk/
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Kralj Vatra
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Dec 16, 2007 1:23:51 GMT -5
George Galloway, next time i get to London i'll buy you a pint @ interpidy fox!! Thanx for your honesty mate! I'll even try to buy and read your paper!
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Post by Beach Police on Dec 16, 2007 22:17:58 GMT -5
"" You will remember his sonorous claim that the Serbs had murdered 100,000 Albanians and we must act. In fact, 3000 people died, less than the death toll in Northern Ireland, ""
We were saying this all along and Albs were claiming 100,000.
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Kanaris
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Post by Kanaris on Dec 17, 2007 1:26:05 GMT -5
The Albs .... acted this thing out nicely .... and the world listened... and the networks kept showing the same anorexic albs behind barb wires as if they hadn't eaten in a year and the masses fell for that.... the fact was those skinny Albs were skinny from birth... You guys had a henchman in power..that knew nothing of diplomacy.... How you gonna reverse this thing... without getting hurt now?
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Post by albanesehoney on Dec 17, 2007 1:33:17 GMT -5
The Albs .... acted this thing out nicely .... and the world listened... and the networks kept showing the same anorexic albs behind barb wires as if they hadn't eaten in a year and the masses fell for that.... the fact was those skinny Albs were skinny from birth... You guys had a henchman in power..that knew nothing of diplomacy.... How you gonna reverse this thing... without getting hurt now? Well, first thing they should do is lose Kostunica and that GreekSlav Jatras. lolol Both are doing a splendiferous job promoting the Albanian cause for independence because these two have created nothing new or authentic or original for the Serb cause except to pound away the same old propaganda bull Slobo and Owens orchestrated for Serbia's cause.
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Fender
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Post by Fender on Dec 17, 2007 3:16:48 GMT -5
The Albs .... acted this thing out nicely .... and the world listened... and the networks kept showing the same anorexic albs behind barb wires as if they hadn't eaten in a year and the masses fell for that.... the fact was those skinny Albs were skinny from birth... You guys had a henchman in power..that knew nothing of diplomacy.... How you gonna reverse this thing... without getting hurt now? Well, first thing they should do is lose Kostunica and that GreekSlav Jatras. lolol Both are doing a splendiferous job promoting the Albanian cause for independence because these two have created nothing new or authentic or original for the Serb cause except to pound away the same old propaganda bull Slobo and Owens orchestrated for Serbia's cause. One more time. You idiot.
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Post by wbb on Dec 17, 2007 4:05:36 GMT -5
better not be any balkan war, i hope there wont be 4th Balkan War cause if it does happen then i will too fight for hungarian independence of hungarian majority northern vojvodina. i cross my finger that there will be peace and stability in the balkans. but even if Kosova is not going to be independent there's still a large chance of triggering 4th balkan war so i hope the peacemakers will solved this issue out very wisely without thinking ignorant which can cause hundreds of thousands of lives lost.
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Fender
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Post by Fender on Dec 17, 2007 4:53:14 GMT -5
better not be any balkan war, i hope there wont be 4th Balkan War cause if it does happen then i will too fight for hungarian independence of hungarian majority northern vojvodina. i cross my finger that there will be peace and stability in the balkans. but even if Kosova is not going to be independent there's still a large chance of triggering 4th balkan war so i hope the peacemakers will solved this issue out very wisely without thinking ignorant which can cause hundreds of thousands of lives lost. This has nothing to do with Hungary, stick to the main issue or be deleted.
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Dsurazal
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Post by Dsurazal on Dec 17, 2007 18:20:58 GMT -5
This time Serbia has a brother with them (Russia) unlike last time the US will not attack Russian forces, to do so would cause a huge collision that really, the US has no legitimate right to be a part of. Kosovo is a part of Serbia and it is within Serbia's right to defend it's boarders. It is obvious if the US does not abide by the rules they were part of legitimizing with the use of the UN, than why should Russia play any type of game thats different.
The US needs to pack it's bags and worry about it's many many problems at home.
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Post by albanesehoney on Dec 17, 2007 21:14:34 GMT -5
This time Serbia has a brother with them (Russia) unlike last time the US will not attack Russian forces, Who do you think was actually taking part in that Afghani war on the Russians? lolol..WE accomplished an excellent job seeing their army run home with their tails between their legs. Kosovo is a part of Serbia and it is within Serbia's right to defend it's boarders. It is obvious if the US does not abide by the rules they were part of legitimizing with the use of the UN, than why should Russia play any type of game thats different. Why you ask? Please, even Russia knows they can't beat GOD. The US needs to pack it's bags and worry about it's many many problems at home. And, miss out on another fireworks show. Never!! That's our second name.
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Dsurazal
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Post by Dsurazal on Dec 17, 2007 22:48:03 GMT -5
Does your only argument's include ancient history reciting? Would you like me to remind you of Vietnam, Korea and now Iraq? It wouldn't matter, this is a different time frame and a different set of circumstances. You trying to argue these apparent unparalleled situations is the equivalent of trying to hammer a common nail into an iron beam, it makes no sense and doesn't work.
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Post by albanesehoney on Dec 17, 2007 23:17:21 GMT -5
"Does your only argument's include ancient history reciting? Would you like me to remind you of Vietnam, Korea and now Iraq? It wouldn't matter, this is a different time frame and a different set of circumstances. You trying to argue these apparent unparalleled situations is the equivalent of trying to hammer a common nail into an iron beam, it makes no sense and doesn't work. "
Right, that's what a superpower is. Unparalleled and equivalent only to itself, 5 minutes ago. Now, perhaps you might see why 'more talks' promise of compromise does not pass the test with those who've been through the serbian mindset for the last 100 years. As for russia losing in afghanistan, they shoulda known it would happen, considering their deeds in those conflicts you mention. Now, you see the stalemate and bigger brick wall Russia is up against, with the EU powers included?
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Dsurazal
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Post by Dsurazal on Dec 18, 2007 0:30:55 GMT -5
So in other words you disagree with the article? I am not going to indulge your incoherent response. It's off topic, makes no connection with what it intends to debate but rather re-direct's it towards somewhere or something it did not initially resemble.
Do me a HUGE FAVOR!
Open a separate browse window, go to this url:
fast forward to 2:15 seconds into the video and this guy will tell you exactly the same thing I am telling you. Maybe when he says it, it will make sense.
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Post by albanesehoney on Dec 18, 2007 0:58:15 GMT -5
Listen, if you can't stand the heat in this kitchen, then get out and let the big guns debate. You only debate when your Serb side gloats with Russia holding up its back. Don't be so confident Russia will be there to hold Serbia up, considering they too have their hands full with Iran, China, Pakistan and Georgia holding up its wto membership, Abhkazia..etc etc etc..lolol.. Yes, I do disagree. The only bloodbath remotely possible to occur in the Balkans would be the one between radical and democratic Serbs. Because they hate each other more than they hate Albanians or any other republic of fy. Same can be said for srpska too. They have your twisted Serbian paranoia. As for the Albs in Macedonia, all they have to do is withdraw from the coalition govt. That would set Macedonia's plans to join Nato or EU ..many many years back. Oh excuse me, I think the major Albanian parties in Maced. did withdraw from that failed coalition govt. lol Well, good for them and power to their parties and goals.
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Dsurazal
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Post by Dsurazal on Dec 18, 2007 1:29:46 GMT -5
Do me another favor....open the insane asylum forum and look 3 posts from the end than come back here and stop stealing my quotes and using them on me. Get some originality. Once again I am forced to debate this poor excuse for a reply.
You know you talk about Russia backing up Serbia but last I checked Serbia was holding it's own country together where as Kosovo needs to hold onto the US's via UN's jock strap just to survive. The UN creates a structured government, security etc etc for Kosovo...now tell me who's more of a leech? As the phrase goes, "people who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones." I suggest you learn what this means and hold your tongue, otherwise look like the person who can't hold a argument that makes any sense.
Russia hands are full with China and Iran? Show me some articles. Would you like me to post articles about Iran's buying military equipment from Russia to protect them from US strikes, same with China? How can you look in the mirror and truly believe the BS you are trying to use for support in this argument?
Why are you bringing Macedonia into this? once again stick to the subject at hand..I will leave it at that.
Can you not provide clear, coherent statements with simple, logic to make an argument? That's all I am asking. Eg...."I do not believe xyz will happen because xyz". Instead you ramble.
Btw...did you grow bored of arguing with Greece, Turkey and every other countries forum members? Is that what we owe this visit to?
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Post by albanesehoney on Dec 18, 2007 2:17:30 GMT -5
You know you talk about Russia backing up Serbia but last I checked Serbia was holding it's own country together Right, together enough to withold its own EU membership... DSS could “turn back on EU” 17 December 2007 | 11:07 | Source: B92 BELGRADE -- Vojislav Koštunica could halt Serbian European integration because of his party's stance regarding Kosovo, analysts say. Political analyst Slobodan Antoniæ said that the prime minister's Democratic Party of Serbia (DSS) could give up on supporting European integration because of its stance on Kosovo, and that Koštunica could potentially refuse to sign the Stabilization and Association Agreement (SAA) with the European Union. www.b92.net/eng/news/politics-article.php?yyyy=2007&mm=12&dd=17&nav_id=46251Like I said, any bloodbath in the balkans wil most likely end up being one between Serbs.. and the above is just a taste of what waits for Serbs.
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Dsurazal
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Post by Dsurazal on Dec 18, 2007 2:23:16 GMT -5
I wouldn't join the EU either, if I were Serbia. It's obvious the EU takes power away from the country in exchange for economic growth. Why would you sell off your morals and beliefs in exchange for money? It's obvious many countries in the world are doing this - just look at all the countries US pays off. It's great to see Serbia is not one of them.
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Post by albanesehoney on Dec 18, 2007 2:29:57 GMT -5
Listen, if you're gonna pimp yourself to the big eco powers of the world, you might as well get the biggest buck for their gang bang. lol And, you know Russians have practically bought up your Montenegro at pennies on the ruble. Bank of Moscow in Serbia soon 17 December 2007 | 12:02 | Source: B92 BELGRADE -- The Bank of Moscow has filed a request to the National Bank of Serbia (NBS) for inclusion on the Serbian market. According to B92’s sources, the Bank of Moscow plans on entering the Serbian banking market and has submitted a request to the central bank for a Greenfield license. The work license is expect to be given out in February 2008. The minimum capital necessary to start operations in the market is EUR 10mn. The Bank of Moscow was interested for a long time to enter the Serbian market by buying Agrobanka, but backed off the deal after the NBS approved the sale of the bank in January. Agrobanka Executive Dušan Antoniæ said that the only reason for the Bank of Moscow backing out would be the sharp growth in the value of Agrobanka, though he did not say how much the Russians offered. Finance Minster Mirko Cvetkoviæ said that the state will put four banks, in which it owns a majority stake of capital, on the market to be sold next year: Srpska, Panèevaèka, Credy and Poštanska štedionica.
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Dsurazal
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Post by Dsurazal on Dec 18, 2007 3:21:36 GMT -5
Trying to make this personal, huh? This is the wrong forum. If you truly want a response to your statement repost in in the CG forum and I will happily tell you why your statement is incorrect and why what was purchased by Russia, does not bother me in the least. Goodnight
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donnie
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Post by donnie on Dec 18, 2007 16:11:40 GMT -5
Who deleted my reply and for what reason?
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