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Post by Beach Police on Dec 19, 2007 17:39:36 GMT -5
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Post by meltdown711 on Dec 19, 2007 18:01:56 GMT -5
Hitler was ranked "Man of the Year" once also... as well as Stalin. Quite an accomplishment for Putin.
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Post by Novi Pazar on Dec 19, 2007 18:04:58 GMT -5
^ You couldn't help yourself.
Anyway, well done President Putin....he had turned the country around from debt to prosperity during his reign.
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Post by meltdown711 on Dec 19, 2007 18:06:47 GMT -5
Well. Like father like son. Hitler also brought the German economy up. I think Putin has inherited a little from Hitler an a lil from Stalin.
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Post by vinjak on Dec 19, 2007 18:08:37 GMT -5
^^^^^ LOL If he supported Kosovo independence his statue would probably be erected in Pristina
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Post by Dsurazal on Dec 19, 2007 18:10:19 GMT -5
Putin should be man of the year..he has single handily turned Russia's future around. They are strong and they all support him. I really don't understand your comment Toskali711 - I can name lots of powerful individuals who were man of the year, some of which include Reagan, Bush, Clinton, The Pope, Apollo 8 astronauts, "American Women", "The Computer", etc. etc. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Person_of_the_YearMan of the Year is a pretty powerful group of people to be listed with and quite an honor. And I agree with Vinjak, you guys pretty much worship Clinton and hang his picture everywhere, is he like Hitler and Stalin as well?
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Post by meltdown711 on Dec 19, 2007 18:14:06 GMT -5
Clinton moved his nations economy forward while also helping to reconcile nations around the world for peace. I dont see how he can be compared to Hitler or his kin, Putin, who launched a brutal war in order to retain a colonial holding(Chechnya), has limited freedom in his country and moved to restart a cold war.
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Post by Fender on Dec 19, 2007 18:23:15 GMT -5
Clinton moved his nations economy forward while also helping to reconcile nations around the world for peace. I dont see how he can be compared to Hitler or his kin, Putin, who launched a brutal war in order to retain a colonial holding(Chechnya), has limited freedom in his country and moved to restart a cold war. What he has done was to limit the oligarchs and their destructive manner. He is truly a president for the people.
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Post by meltdown711 on Dec 19, 2007 18:25:49 GMT -5
LOL. He shot down the oligarchs against him and let his own cronies take-over. The Russian economy was bound to go back up, he just happened to be there when it happened.
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Post by Dsurazal on Dec 19, 2007 18:26:47 GMT -5
It's your point of view but let me tell you how Clinton is like Germany and the Nazis. The Nazis claimed illegitimate accusations that Germans in foreign territories were being tortured and he had to rescue them and proceeded to take over the territory. What did Clinton do? Same thing, false accusations of genocide and he takes over the territory. Think about this, who goes into a country and bombs on false pretenses? It was a total lie (The genocide claim) either compounded by the Kosovo Albanian's or by Clinton in order to take over the territory. Either way, exactly what Hitler did. What has Russia done that's like Hitler?
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Post by meltdown711 on Dec 19, 2007 18:34:26 GMT -5
<<What did Clinton do? Same thing, false accusations of genocide and he takes over the territory. >> Ethnic cleasing was going on and its recognized as so. So this argument is void. The move was legitimate, maybe not to Serbia though. <<they are trying to preserve what they have within accordance with the international laws agreed upon by all countries in the UN.>> They are trying to keep conquered colonial holdings. Read the history of how Russia took over the Caucasus and see that it does not really fall within the compounds of self-determination, under which the UN was founded. It was brutal, genocidal and horrific(and entire people were exterminated -- the Circassians). Integrity of Nations has never been the basis of the UN, but self-determination under peaceful and diplomatic resolutions without conflict. Look at the this statement in the very first article, under Purposes: To develop friendly relations among nations based on respect for the principle of equal rights and self-determination of peoples, and to take other appropriate measures to strengthen universal peace;Russia has clearly ignored all of these by its acts in Chechnya, while Serbia has done the same thing to Kosova. <<What has Russia done that's like Hitler?>> LOL. lets not get started, I think Hitler pales in comparison to Russia. We are talking about Putin here, not all of Russia. If you want one comparison: Circassian genocide: www.circassianworld.com/circassiangenocide.html
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Post by Novi Pazar on Dec 19, 2007 18:38:39 GMT -5
"He shot down the oligarchs against him and let his own cronies take-over. The Russian economy was bound to go back up, he just happened to be there when it happened."
Well, as Fender has said, he is the peoples president having turned the economy around 360 degrees....and yes, he did shoot down those western backed oligarchs.
You know when someone is western backed, good example is Garry Kasparov - lol
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Post by Dsurazal on Dec 19, 2007 18:38:59 GMT -5
When was genocide recognized? Can you point me to the article that it has ever been substantiated?
Once again your logic is flawed, the aforementioned government officials are no longer alive. Serbia has rebounded from this period and have offered Kosovo Albanians, self government autonomy - the US want's the area for it's own personal agenda and did not try to work with Serbia to fix this situation. We all know the only reason Kosovo Albanian's want independence is to separate themselves even further from Serbia (Greater Albania). They have no right to unilateral independence as they are not the countries majority. We all know this is fact, otherwise Kosovo would independent at this moment.
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Post by Fender on Dec 19, 2007 18:39:35 GMT -5
LOL. He shot down the oligarchs against him and let his own cronies take-over. The Russian economy was bound to go back up, he just happened to be there when it happened. If you showed just one iota of intelligence, you would have seen that the oligarchs were attempting to break down democracy so they could rule as they wished. Russia would have been in a grip of a whole new underclass.
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Post by Dsurazal on Dec 19, 2007 18:43:22 GMT -5
Fender, it's no use arguing. He has his own biased reviews of why things are. Obviously since Putin does not support Kosovo independence, he has his panties in a bunch and the only way to pull them out is to attack Putin on a personal manner instead of just congratulating the guy.
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Post by meltdown711 on Dec 19, 2007 18:54:35 GMT -5
Ethnic Albania(or, more appropriately, Proper Albania, since its all the territories inhabited majority wise by Albs, therefore the rightful Albania that should have been created on the basis of self-determination) is not the reason why they want to separate, they dont feel a part of your nation and want independence so as to secure themselves from any future genocidal actions on the part of the Serbian govt.
And they said no, they want independence. Nations rarely want to relinquish holdings. Serbia does not want to relinquish its colonial holdings(Kosova) much like Russia doesnt want to relinquish hers, or Britain didnt want to relinquish the American colonies, or its Indian one. But in the end, all those territories go their independence. America is free today; and so is India.
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Post by Dsurazal on Dec 19, 2007 18:57:47 GMT -5
Sorry but this isn't 1492, this is 2007 and there are international laws in place that denies yours premise for recognized independence. Once again, like stated before...if you were correct Kosovo would be independent as we speak.
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Post by meltdown711 on Dec 19, 2007 18:59:27 GMT -5
1776... And nothing has really changed. From the looks of it, every day a new nation comes out saying that they will recognize Kosova when America and EU recognizes it. So again, we will see what will happen.
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Post by Dsurazal on Dec 19, 2007 19:01:19 GMT -5
I'm not talking about the past or future...talking about the present and my 1492 was Christopher Columbus...I was being cynical. Either way it doesn't matter.
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Post by vinjak on Dec 19, 2007 22:07:00 GMT -5
LOL,
So you keep a half nude picture of Putin huh ?
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