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Post by Beach Police on Dec 3, 2007 15:03:57 GMT -5
Palokaj: Kosovars want a state, but not independence! (Koha)
In an opinion piece for Koha Ditore, Brussels-based correspondent Augustin Palokaj writes, “Kosovars hope that even after the creation of the state of Kosovo, internationals will be in charge of getting the country out of the economic crisis, protecting the territorial integrity, fighting corruption and organized crime and even establishing governments. Kosovars are afraid of responsibility, which is why they intimately don’t want independence, but only the creation of a state that is dependant on the international community.” Dec 3 2007
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Post by meltdown711 on Dec 3, 2007 15:17:22 GMT -5
They mainly want to secure their safety from a nation that has tortured them for the last 100+ years. Since the land was annexed by Serbia against the wishes of 70% of Kosova's population. They want to sleep in peace. And its finally happening, slowly but surely.
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Post by Mimi on Dec 3, 2007 16:25:03 GMT -5
what kinda of idiotic statment is that?, what have we been talking about all this time? about independence of course, nothing is more importand,,,do we have to type with big letters for them to understand,,,, WE WANT NOTHING LESS THAN INDEPENDENCE!! we know that it is gonna take time before they leave and they said it themselves that they are gonna be there to help creating kosovo a better place and of course we accept their help things will get better faster since they already been there and they are more experienced, they know what tactics to use to succeed we will be safer that way to knowing they will be there to protect kosovo from any threats, hopefully anyway
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Post by Novi Pazar on Dec 3, 2007 17:32:39 GMT -5
"They mainly want to secure their safety from a nation that has tortured them for the last 100+ years."
So what was this torture?......What would classify ethnic cleansing as?
"Since the land was annexed by Serbia against the wishes of 70% of Kosova's population."
Really, l didn't know that?
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Post by meltdown711 on Dec 3, 2007 17:52:04 GMT -5
'Really, l didn't know that?'
The ethnographic status of Kosova at the time of the Serbian annexation is well known. its your job to attain knowledge for yourself, not mine.
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Post by Novi Pazar on Dec 3, 2007 18:06:06 GMT -5
"The ethnographic status of Kosova at the time of the Serbian annexation is well known. its your job to attain knowledge for yourself, not mine."
This recent ethnographic status (last 100yrs) doesn't really represent the historical aspect of kosovo. The kosovo villayet during the ottoman administration saw a shift from serbian to albanian.
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Post by meltdown711 on Dec 3, 2007 18:09:26 GMT -5
History is history. What was once is no more. The population from then till today was predominantly Albanian; and thus, if democracy and human freedoms were truly applied in the region, it should have been annexed by Albania. And there was no administrative shift, the region was still administered by Turks. It was the population that shifted. And the population shifted from serbian to albanian even before 100 years ago... It was over 50% Alb as early as the late 1800's.
But as I said: history is history. Kosovar Albanians today what independence and they will get it, no matter how slowly it will come. keep in mind that by 2025 Albs will not only be 100% of Kosova, but also +40% of Macedonia and probably will have grown in Presheva. The demographics are putting things in our favor...
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Post by Novi Pazar on Dec 3, 2007 18:27:55 GMT -5
"But as I said: history is history. Kosovar Albanians today what independence and they will get it, no matter how slowly it will come. keep in mind that by 2025 Albs will not only be 100% of Kosova, but also +40% of Macedonia and probably will have grown in Presheva. The demographics are putting things in our favor..."
Well that is todays most effective way, not war like in ancient times.....hats off to you guys.
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Post by Fender on Dec 3, 2007 18:44:13 GMT -5
History is history. What was once is no more. The population from then till today was predominantly Albanian; and thus, if democracy and human freedoms were truly applied in the region, it should have been annexed by Albania. And there was no administrative shift, the region was still administered by Turks. It was the population that shifted. And the population shifted from serbian to albanian even before 100 years ago... It was over 50% Alb as early as the late 1800's. But as I said: history is history. Kosovar Albanians today what independence and they will get it, no matter how slowly it will come. keep in mind that by 2025 Albs will not only be 100% of Kosova, but also +40% of Macedonia and probably will have grown in Presheva. The demographics are putting things in our favor... So its ok when it suits to disregard international norms and international laws. thats hypocracy at its best. Its not a wonder why the internatiionals are now slowing the whole status process. They have no stomach to allow this situation escalate into illegal declarations. You may not follow international law, but others more prominant than your mob, still do.
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Post by Novi Pazar on Dec 3, 2007 19:50:18 GMT -5
To answer BP's topic:
“Kosovars hope that even after the creation of the state of Kosovo, internationals will be in charge of getting the country out of the economic crisis, protecting the territorial integrity, fighting corruption and organized crime and even establishing governments. "
Again, you cannot put all your eggs in one basket and just rely on the internationals, they are happy to give out loans like a bank. In my opinion the insiders in the Pristina government have to pull there fingers out and come up with plans instead of wasting money on phone bills.
The biggest problem is there isn't any sufficient infrasture.
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Post by Beach Police on Dec 4, 2007 0:11:19 GMT -5
Palokaj: Kosovars want a state, but not independence! (Koha) what kinda of idiotic statment is that?, I don't know Mimi, ask that idiot Polokaj.
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Post by ILIRI I MADH on Dec 4, 2007 0:48:49 GMT -5
Tik Tak 6 more days, are u happy beach police?
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Post by suart on Dec 4, 2007 7:51:15 GMT -5
Tik Tak 6 more days, are u happy beach police?
Yup, the starvation and suffering lies ahead ;D
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Post by Beach Police on Dec 4, 2007 13:07:33 GMT -5
Tik Tak 6 more days, are u happy beach police? Tell us, Ilir, what exactly will happen in 6 days.
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Post by donnie on Dec 4, 2007 16:23:45 GMT -5
I disagree with Augustin Palokaj. It isn't an issue of not wanting independence. That is and has been our goal. The key is to receive help, much like the US assistance in Western Europe and Japan following World War Two. A push that will aid in developing the future state in all fields.
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Post by markoserb1 on Dec 4, 2007 23:09:28 GMT -5
if Serbia decides to use it's military forces in future, so it would secure it's borders.... I've made a decision to go. 4real.
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Post by vinjak on Dec 6, 2007 16:03:59 GMT -5
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Post by zgembo on Dec 7, 2007 8:04:15 GMT -5
Tik Tak 6 more days, are u happy beach police? I'm actually waiting in anticipation for December 10th... really curious to see if Albanians have the balls to declare unilateral independence. My guess: America will say hold off, and they will... but hey, one has to look forward to something ;D
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Post by adlun on Dec 7, 2007 9:28:49 GMT -5
Palokaj: Kosovars want a state, but not independence! (Koha) In an opinion piece for Koha Ditore, Brussels-based correspondent Augustin Palokaj writes, “Kosovars hope that even after the creation of the state of Kosovo, internationals will be in charge of getting the country out of the economic crisis, protecting the territorial integrity, fighting corruption and organized crime and even establishing governments. Kosovars are afraid of responsibility, which is why they intimately don’t want independence, but only the creation of a state that is dependant on the international community.” Dec 3 2007 KOSOVARS WANT ONLY INDEPENDENCE nothing less
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