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Post by MiG on Mar 31, 2009 17:06:27 GMT -5
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Post by MiG on Mar 31, 2009 17:08:05 GMT -5
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Post by Novus Dis on Mar 31, 2009 19:00:32 GMT -5
Seeing as how Serbs were killed alongside the Croats by the Commies, why isn't Croatia probing the deaths of Serbs as well?
Oh right, propaganda.
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Post by MiG on Mar 31, 2009 22:29:54 GMT -5
^ Of course. Blieburg was mostly Serbs too.
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Post by Novus Dis on Mar 31, 2009 22:33:37 GMT -5
Mostly? No. Partially? Yes.
I also don't know why their primary focus is a Serb when there were plenty of Croat Commies who committed the massacres, surely. And I'm sure they'd be easier to reach.
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Anthologic
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Post by Anthologic on Mar 31, 2009 22:51:04 GMT -5
Stop asking silly questions.
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Post by superstar on Mar 31, 2009 22:56:10 GMT -5
Yup, he already admitted to the crime in his book. May as well start the investigation with him and see where it leads.
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Post by Novus Dis on Mar 31, 2009 23:01:38 GMT -5
True. Though let's not pretend any establishment in the Balkans seeks justice.
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Post by Sh1 Shonić on Apr 3, 2009 22:58:52 GMT -5
Hrvatska poternica za Simom DubajićemBivši partizanski starešina, koji danas živi u Beogradu, tereti se za smrt 13.000 zarobljenika 1945. godine u Sloveniji Sima Dubajić Od našeg stalnog dopisnika Zagreb, 3. aprila – Hrvatsko Državno tužilaštvo saopštilo je danas da je istražnom sudiji zagrebačkog Županijskog suda uputilo zahtev za pokretanje krivične istrage protiv Sime Dubajića zbog osnovane sumnje da je počinio krivično delo protiv čovečnosti i međunarodnog prava. Tužilaštvo je predložilo da se preko Ministarstva unutrašnjih poslova za Dubajićem raspiše međunarodna poternica. Simu Dubajića, koji je inače teško bolestan i s porodicom živi u Beogradu otkako je kao izbeglica napustio rodno Kistanje kod Knina, hrvatske vlasti sumnjiče da je od 26. maja do 5. juna 1945. godine na području Kočevja u Sloveniji kao komandant Motomehanizovanog 4. odreda JA oformio posebnu grupu vojnika i organizovao transport ratnih zarobljenika iz Kočevja do mesta njihove egzekucije na Kočevskom rogu gde ih je ubijeno najmanje 13.000, a tela su im pobacana u prirodne jame. Sam Dubajić je o tome iscrpno pričao u TV intervjuu Milomiru Mariću još pre nekoliko godina, ali do sada niko na to nije reagovao preko službenih pravosudnih organa, pa se mnogi pitaju zašto je to odjednom „zanimljivo” baš sada. O tome se čulo i u sinoćnoj emisiji zagrebačke HTV „Otvoreno”, u kojoj je emitovan deo ispovesti Sime Dubajića. Iz beogradskog studija gostovao je i Milomir Marić, kojeg voditeljka zagrebačke emisije skoro i da nije više ništa pitala kada je ponudio da govori, između ostalog, i o prijateljstvu Dubajića s Franjom Tuđmanom, koje je, kako je rekao, „učvršćeno na Kočevskom rogu”.
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Post by CiKoLa on Apr 3, 2009 23:09:00 GMT -5
Pravda je spora al dostizna
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Post by Sh1 Shonić on Apr 3, 2009 23:12:36 GMT -5
Odgledah otvoreno (link koji sam postavio) i pominje se da je vecina streljanih iz Crne Gore (10000 crnogorskih cetnika).
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Post by Ja Ona i Pivo on Apr 4, 2009 4:49:36 GMT -5
Pravda je spora al dostizna Slazem se 100%, ali nemoj zaboraviti da pravda uvjek nije u tvojoj koristi..
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Post by radovic on Apr 7, 2009 10:02:55 GMT -5
Mostly? No. Partially? Yes. I also don't know why their primary focus is a Serb when there were plenty of Croat Commies who committed the massacres, surely. And I'm sure they'd be easier to reach. Because he published a book admitting his crimes knowing that: 1. He lives in Serbia and won't be extradited. 2. Even if Serbia was to carry extraditions, they wouldn't in his because of his old age. 3. Croatia doesn't have an intelligence service like Israel which would kidnap major Nazi's and have therm put on trial and secretly executed in Israel. I seriousl;y doubt some 86 year old partizan living in Croatia would do this knowing he would be prosecuted.
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Post by Novus Dis on Apr 8, 2009 9:13:06 GMT -5
Exactly. So why don't they prosecute local Partizans? Because this is politically motivated.
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Post by radovic on Apr 8, 2009 13:17:59 GMT -5
Exactly. So why don't they prosecute local Partizans? Because this is politically motivated. Prosecute them for what. Being a member of an anti-fascist resistance movement more then 60 years ago. The details of Partizan crimes are coming to light and those who ordered does crimes. But the simple fact is until they all die the truth will not be known. This case it's known what happenned because the guy admitted it and published a book to earn moeny. But I seriously doubt they're ghoing to find any evidence to prosecute any Partizans until they die and get their memoirs published post-humously.
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Post by Fender on Apr 9, 2009 8:53:15 GMT -5
This now raises some interesting questions. The first being jurisdiction. I recall that not long ago, Mesic stated that todays Croatia bore no resemblance to the NDH but at the same time, the government of the day is acting like its proxy by citting war crimes, so how does this work? Secondly, the alleged crimes were comitted in Slovenia, not Croatia, so shouldn't the Slovenian government be prosecuting rather than the Croatian government?
Maybe someone out there knows the answer to these questions. ( This excludes Cikola for obvious reasons).
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Post by Trazi Vise on Apr 9, 2009 9:09:36 GMT -5
I'll be the prosecutor, I have no closed jurisdiction; it's all mine :-)
How are you fend's? ??:-)
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Post by Novus Dis on Apr 9, 2009 9:42:16 GMT -5
Since the crimes were committed in Yugoslavia and since the capital of Yugoslavia was Belgrade then I'd assume they'd be tried in Belgrade. Not by the local courts, of course. A special commission/tribunal would have to be set up and be based on the Geneva Convention (and where homicide takes precedent over "genocide"). Prosecute them for what. Being a member of an anti-fascist resistance movement more then 60 years ago. The details of Partizan crimes are coming to light and those who ordered does crimes. But the simple fact is until they all die the truth will not be known. This case it's known what happenned because the guy admitted it and published a book to earn moeny. But I seriously doubt they're ghoing to find any evidence to prosecute any Partizans until they die and get their memoirs published post-humously. Surely there would also be records in the archives that would shed light on who was commanding the western Partizan divisions (and those who were soldiers in those divisions) during the massacres? At the very least they can be questioned. There is no statute of limitations on murder in any court to my knowledge.
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Post by radovic on Apr 9, 2009 11:16:57 GMT -5
This now raises some interesting questions. The first being jurisdiction. I recall that not long ago, Mesic stated that todays Croatia bore no resemblance to the NDH but at the same time, the government of the day is acting like its proxy by citting war crimes, so how does this work? Secondly, the alleged crimes were comitted in Slovenia, not Croatia, so shouldn't the Slovenian government be prosecuting rather than the Croatian government? Maybe someone out there knows the answer to these questions. ( This excludes Cikola for obvious reasons). I don't know about Croatia, i know in Serbia the law allows to Serbia to prosecute it's nationals or anyone arrest on Serb soil for crimes done abroad. There was a case a few months ago of a Croat being arrested for crimes committed in Bosnia, he was not a Serbian citizen.
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Post by radovic on Apr 9, 2009 11:18:57 GMT -5
Since the crimes were committed in Yugoslavia and since the capital of Yugoslavia was Belgrade then I'd assume they'd be tried in Belgrade. Not by the local courts, of course. A special commission/tribunal would have to be set up and be based on the Geneva Convention (and where homicide takes precedent over "genocide"). Prosecute them for what. Being a member of an anti-fascist resistance movement more then 60 years ago. The details of Partizan crimes are coming to light and those who ordered does crimes. But the simple fact is until they all die the truth will not be known. This case it's known what happenned because the guy admitted it and published a book to earn moeny. But I seriously doubt they're ghoing to find any evidence to prosecute any Partizans until they die and get their memoirs published post-humously. Surely there would also be records in the archives that would shed light on who was commanding the western Partizan divisions (and those who were soldiers in those divisions) during the massacres? At the very least they can be questioned. There is no statute of limitations on murder in any court to my knowledge. Most of the archives are closed. Durign the 2007 campaign Draskovic made a big deal of finally opening the archives. They weren't. currently the only one on the political scene advocating this is Vladan Batic- president of the Demochristian party [only 1 seat in parliament]. Personally to me it seems that various people don't want the archives opened. SPS for obvious reasons, various Tadic allies [they are more pro-partizan]. i doubt SPO wants it, they only used it tog et Chetnik votes. Personally I think the Radicals are opposed to it. I only think SNS (nikolic's party), Kostunica's DSS and the LDP would support the bill Batic proposed if it ever came up.
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