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Post by vinjak on Sept 23, 2008 22:18:21 GMT -5
23 September 2008.
Member of the Bosnia-Herzegovina Presidency from the Republic of Srpska Nebojsa Radmanovic has sent a letter to UN Secretary General Ban Ki-moon and General Assembly President Miguel d’Escoto Brockmann, regarding the speech of Presidency Chair Haris Silajdzic, who is supposed to speak today in the UN General Assembly. While reminding that the Bosnia-Herzegovina Presidency is the highest body for creation and implementation of that country’s foreign policy, comprised of three members from each of the three constitutive peoples, Radmanovic pointed out that the decisions in that body are passed by consensus. Being that Silajdzic has voted against the proposal for B-H to support the Serbian initiative in the General Assembly, it is my Constitutional right and obligation to inform you that the Presidency has not reached consensus, stressed Radmanovic. He pointed that the stances presented in Silajzdic’ speech do not represent the official position of Bosnia-Herzegovina, but rather his own personal belief, hence asking the UN officials to treat them as such.
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Post by CiKoLa on Sept 24, 2008 2:16:22 GMT -5
BiH is so f ... ed up. ! 3 presidents LOL.
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Post by karabin on Sept 24, 2008 2:56:45 GMT -5
BiH is so f ... ed up. ! 3 presidents LOL. Exactly right. "BiH" has been artificially kept alive since 1995. Serbs want to separate, and so do Croats even though croats always keep things secretive until they see the opportunity and stab their so called ally (bosnian muslims) in the back. All in all, the only people hanging onto BiH is the bosnian muslims still delusional that Bosnia will be united again and that eventually they will rule over it. ROFL, 3 presidents and 1 "country". With the way things have been going lately, i think sooner rather than later RS should separate from BiH. Watch the croats follow soon after that with Herzegovina. I am sure cikola will agree with me that croats too want their piece of the cake and would like to have their part annexed by croatia. Right cikola?
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Post by tito on Sept 24, 2008 3:41:06 GMT -5
have at least 59% of the seats in the BiH-parliament, control the Brcko corridor which cuts of 70-80% of the orthodox population in BiH from Serbia and have time on their side. For every day that goes Bosnia is becoming stronger and the separatists are becoming even weaker.
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Post by CiKoLa on Sept 24, 2008 4:15:17 GMT -5
agree with me that croats too want their piece of the cake and would like to have their part annexed by croatia. Right cikola?
Not particularly. I mean ... lets say RS did get international recognition, then in that case Herceg Bosna would definitely go as well although all this is unrealistic.
A fairer system would be the way to go ... ie. 5 economic regions with ravnopravnost for all.
Although i think even this is unattainable at this stage so a federal structure with 3 federal units would be the easiest option. I just cant see anything but a federal model for BiH.
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Post by sweetnugs on Sept 24, 2008 10:39:59 GMT -5
If separatists and poisoned nationalists couldn't break BiH back in the early 1990s, what makes them think its going to be an easy job now? That was the only chance, pro BiH citizens were caught off guard and defenseless for the most part and still, thats hardly the case right now.
Much like Tito said.. BiH is stronger and stronger, 'RS' is broken into two parts. In an unlikely war scenario, the eastern BiH (RS) and Hercegovina (RS) would be fucked and lost beyond belief. I'm not worried about the Bosniaks in Hercegovina, they've always proven to be insanely hardcore when it comes to defending themselves in the worst scenarios. So even if the Herceg-Bosna twits try something again, they can be dealt with, besides, nema vise Njofre da podkuhava i naoruzava seperatiste.
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Post by zgembo on Sept 24, 2008 10:46:50 GMT -5
You guys can talk all you want about war, but it will not happen. In the early 90s you could keep the country together with weapons. You won't be able to do it today, no one will allow a war in Bosnia. Things will be settled diplomatically. The current mood in the world is increasingly secessionistic. Bosnia is a country that cannot function politically and that stagnates economically because of political infighting. The logical solution is to let everyone go their own way. The international community is slow-acting, but they will realize that soon. It makes so much more sense to divide the country up than to keep it together for everyone (except Muslim nationalists).
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Post by tito on Sept 24, 2008 10:59:31 GMT -5
The logical solution is to let everyone go their own way. "Those who don’t like it, who are still dreaming of a failed project of Greater Serbia, or some Serbian state in Bosnia, can go somewhere else, but they can’t take with them an inch of Bosnian territory"
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Post by sweetnugs on Sept 24, 2008 11:00:15 GMT -5
You guys can talk all you want about war, but it will not happen. In the early 90s you could keep the country together with weapons. You won't be able to do it today, no one will allow a war in Bosnia. Things will be settled diplomatically. The current mood in the world is increasingly secessionistic. Bosnia is a country that cannot function politically and that stagnates economically because of political infighting. The logical solution is to let everyone go their own way. The international community is slow-acting, but they will realize that soon. It makes so much more sense to divide the country up than to keep it together for everyone (except Muslim nationalists). It cant function when the 'vladar' of RS goes around RS saying 'More BiH means Serbs needs to move out' -- in every other diplomatic country Dodik would have been off'd by now as a traitor. That man alone is the reason why BiH has difficulty functioning, you of course can't see this rationally because 'Less BiH' is good news for Serbs such as yourself and others like you.
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Post by zgembo on Sept 24, 2008 11:55:20 GMT -5
BiH is not like any other country. It is an artificial creation being kept together against the will of the people in RS. Dodik is the elected representative of RS. He would be a traitor if he was not loyal to the desires of the people of RS.
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Post by divingfalcon on Sept 24, 2008 12:19:06 GMT -5
BiH is not like any other country. It is an artificial creation being kept together against the will of the people in RS. Dodik is the elected representative of RS. He would be a traitor if he was not loyal to the desires of the people of RS. Yes but it is nor could it be ever as artificial as a hypothetical RS independent country. What is artificial about Bosnias history. Bosnia as an independent country is older then Islam. However, you are right in the sense that the people dont want to live with each other, similar situation as in Yugoslavia. Bosnaiks didnt want to live in the first Yugoslavia, just as croats ?..however you dont call that an artificial state? Democratic LOL Bosnian Serbs should be the last people talking about democracy, but that is another point. Im sorry Bosnia is not an artificial state. It has its capital, history longer then the great us of a or some other european countries and it is getting better from day to day. It is the negativity and your HATE for bosnia that is preventing progress...
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Post by kapetan on Sept 24, 2008 17:48:30 GMT -5
You idiots dont even know what artificial means anymore, you just throw the word around for anything.
a country thats existed a 1000 years and always had more or less a mix of people ...and now it's somehow artifical when IT'S MORE REAL then its ever been. MINUS the existence of rs. that is the only abomination.
Independence - Mentioned 9th century - Formed August 29, 1189 - Kingdom established October 26, 1377 - Independence lost to Ottoman Empire 1463 - National Day November 25, 1943 - Independence from SFR Yugoslavia March 1, 1992
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Post by zgembo on Sept 25, 2008 1:05:28 GMT -5
LOL, Bosnia has never been a country until 1992, and it's been a joke since then too (an international protectorate kept together against the will of 49% of its territory). Bosnia was a medieval Christian kingdom in the middle ages, but that has nothing to do with the balijluk that dominates it today.
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Post by divingfalcon on Sept 25, 2008 2:45:00 GMT -5
LOL, Bosnia has never been a country until 1992, and it's been a joke since then too (an international protectorate kept together against the will of 49% of its territory). Bosnia was a medieval Christian kingdom in the middle ages, but that has nothing to do with the balijluk that dominates it today. ohhh realy. Well dumbie your religion does not determine you nationality. The word Bosnjanin is older then Islam itself and so is Bosnia and Bosnians are direct decendents of this empire. Also all muslims had a religion before islam, most of who christianity. Islam is the final testament from a muslim point of view. Yes nor does it have much to do with the Vlasi gypsie shepherd Bosnia hating terrorist. ------------- No Bosnia is not a joke, it is the serbs facists within it that are the joke....that still can't accept the fact that their nation is Bosnia and not some RS. You talk about will? RS was founded against the will of all non-serbs in that territorty, who were slaughtered and victims of genocide. Did you give them the right of will when your ledership ethnically cleansed that territory of Bosnia and Hercegovina and systematiclly got rid of all non-serbs? It is you and a large portion of your bitter people that are the joke and who live in illusions to this day and in hope that they can somehow ethnically cleanse other just because they are different from them.
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Post by divingfalcon on Sept 25, 2008 2:46:21 GMT -5
LOL, Bosnia has never been a country until 1992, and it's been a joke since then too (an international protectorate kept together against the will of 49% of its territory). Bosnia was a medieval Christian kingdom in the middle ages, but that has nothing to do with the balijluk that dominates it today. ohhh realy. Well dumbie your religion does not determine you nationality. The word Bosnjanin is older then Islam itself and so is Bosnia and Bosnians are direct decendents of this empire. Also all muslims had a religion before islam, most of who christianity. Islam is the final testament from a muslim point of view. Yes nor does it have much to do with the Vlasi gypsie shepherd Bosnia hating terrorist. You pale vlasi have shown your love for Bosnia by bombarding historic monuments and snipering innocent citezens of Bosnia in Sarajevo and other places. ------------- No Bosnia is not a joke, it is the serbs facists within it that are the joke....that still can't accept the fact that their nation is Bosnia and not some RS. You talk about will? RS was founded against the will of all non-serbs in that territorty, who were slaughtered and victims of genocide. Did you give them the right of will when your ledership ethnically cleansed that territory of Bosnia and Hercegovina and systematiclly got rid of all non-serbs? It is you and a large portion of your bitter people that are the joke and who live in illusions to this day and in hope that they can somehow ethnically cleanse other just because they are different from them.
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Post by vinjak on Sept 25, 2008 4:09:51 GMT -5
RS was founded against the will of all non-serbs Bosnia declared Independence against the will of Bosnian Serbs.
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Post by divingfalcon on Sept 25, 2008 5:22:40 GMT -5
Im sorry but the Republika Srpska in Bosnia and Hercegovina was illegaly declared BEFORE the legal and recognised Independence of Bosnia and Hercegovina. So all non-serbs where then subsequently killed or deported, starting of with political figures in areas where Bosniaks were the clear minority such as the Srebrenica-Bratunac region for example.
It is the serbs who dissobeyed democracy and played foul due to fear being installed to them by the Milosevic regime. All this time they were playing dirty and now they want to pretend to be objective and fair... Just as with the Dayton accords. Post 1995 until 2002 the bosniaks were probably the only side that acted on their promises within the dayton accords....
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Post by radovic on Sept 25, 2008 13:39:14 GMT -5
Im sorry but the Republika Srpska in Bosnia and Hercegovina was illegaly declared BEFORE the legal and recognised Independence of Bosnia and Hercegovina. So all non-serbs where then subsequently killed or deported, starting of with political figures in areas where Bosniaks were the clear minority such as the Srebrenica-Bratunac region for example. It is the serbs who dissobeyed democracy and played foul due to fear being installed to them by the Milosevic regime. All this time they were playing dirty and now they want to pretend to be objective and fair... Just as with the Dayton accords. Post 1995 until 2002 the bosniaks were probably the only side that acted on their promises within the dayton accords.... I'm sorry but the RSBiH was perfectly legal. A number of Serb municipalities formed legal "associations of municipalities" which were valind under the SFRY constiution in force at the time. They chose to interconnect these associations. The creation of RS is prefectly valid, the only thing invalid was it refusing to listen to republican authority and taking on non-muncipal and non-municiopal association powers. [By theway prior to the FRY constiution of April 1992 Bosniaks did something similar in Sandzak- look at some of the things Janusz Bugajzski wrote about the situation in Eastern European countries till 1993] Furthermore. If you know the progression of the wars, Bosnia declared independence before the expulsions began. And when it declared independence it acted undemocratically by ignoring the Bosnian Serbs -- not just on the independence issue but on previous issues also
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