damo
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Post by damo on Apr 29, 2008 1:50:33 GMT -5
Its obvious.
Had Croatia of rolled over and taken it up the dirt track, Knin would be like Banja Luka, Karlovac like Brcko and Vukovar like Bijeljina.
This would have made for another disfunctional state in S E Europe. Tudjman knew this, Croats know this and Bosnians are still jealous over this.
Instead Croatia has a seat on the UN security council, has just been invited to join the NATO alliance, is wrapping up her EU talks, enjoying stronger economic growth and lower unemployment and a booming tourist economy. While many things need improvement i.e. corruption, I believe the Croats have never enjoyed as much freedom as ever in their history. This is thanks to the actions of Tudjman and those Croats who fought for their homeland and stood their ground in places like Vukovar and Dubrovnik.
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CiKoLa
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Post by CiKoLa on Apr 29, 2008 2:02:57 GMT -5
^^ couldnt have said it better. !
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Kralj Vatra
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Apr 29, 2008 2:16:06 GMT -5
The whole war was a big mistake. Your,my children will regret this badly. Hopefully our grandchildren will not have to.
Serbia cannot be great, as you might have noticed, it is some certain powers' main concern to make sure this cannot happen. BiH is sleeping, and croatia is far too small to do smth by herself. The same argument holds for fyrom/slovenia. The ex-country, by any condition, was far better than anything else in the region. This potential had to be destroyed. "They" tried to use yugoslavia as a testbed to destroy Russia and you keep on talking about knin and vukovar???
I MEAN WTF?
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Post by SKORIC on Apr 29, 2008 3:34:41 GMT -5
People think that up untill 1995 it was only Croats that were massacred, and ill admit Croats were killed needlessly, but if you think that Serbs werent slaughtered in 1991 when Croats had their military advantages you are wrong. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gospi%C4%87_massacreBenkovac being close to the front lines was bombed throughout the war by long range croat artillery, some of my family members lost their lives. To tell you the truth Benkovac was only 55% Serb and 45% Croat (roughly) If Serbs didnt arm and defend themselves they would have been driven out/killed in 1991. And thats exactly what happened in 95. Serbs made up 7%, Croats made up 90% after the war.. There is no denying that Serbs didnt have blood on their hands in 1991 but there is no way Croats were totally innocent. Anyways krajina is gone and it shouldnt even be an issue now..
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Post by Novus Dis on Apr 29, 2008 3:42:56 GMT -5
Anyways krajina is gone and it shouldnt even be an issue now. Just because Krajina is at the moment populated by stranci and not by Serbs doesn't make it a dead issue. Look at Kosovo for example.
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Post by SKORIC on Apr 29, 2008 6:10:01 GMT -5
I really dont see what good will come out of re-establishing Krajina..?
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Post by vucigorski on Apr 29, 2008 6:29:26 GMT -5
Focus on Republika Srpska...............that should be the light that takes Serbia forward. Once we can establish a strong RS, Kosovo and Montenegro will follow again. Krajina is a lost cause, its shit land anyway. When Serbia gets its turn to rise again (History shows it will) we should concentrate on Dalmacija and Slavonia.
Croats dont deserve Dalmacija.............should be shared among all Yugoslavs plus Italians who are the rightful owners.
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Post by Novus Dis on Apr 29, 2008 6:42:03 GMT -5
I really dont see what good will come out of re-establishing Krajina..? It will give Krajina refugees their homes back and it will be compensation for the crimes of Croats during the 1940s and 1990s. Since Croats don't want to admit let alone pay for their crimes it is up to us to take what is ours.
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Post by SKORIC on Apr 29, 2008 6:57:53 GMT -5
I really dont see what good will come out of re-establishing Krajina..? It will give Krajina refugees their homes back and it will be compensation for the crimes of Croats during the 1940s and 1990s. Since Croats don't want to admit let alone pay for their crimes it is up to us to take what is ours. So whats your plan for successfully taking back krajina and joining Serbia without bringing down Serbia's economy.. and improving living standards in krajina to attract Serb refugees in the west to come back? All without getting sanctions from america and europe?
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Post by Novus Dis on Apr 29, 2008 8:19:46 GMT -5
So whats your plan for successfully taking back krajina and joining Serbia without bringing down Serbia's economy.. and improving living standards in krajina to attract Serb refugees in the west to come back? All without getting sanctions from america and europe? And how exactly is Serbia supposed to annex Republika Srpska without the same thing happening?
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Post by SKORIC on Apr 29, 2008 8:56:35 GMT -5
I never said anything about RS?
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Post by Novus Dis on Apr 29, 2008 9:11:23 GMT -5
I never said anything about RS? I confused you with vucigorski. Krajina Serbs do not belong in Serbia. They should go back to their homes. If sanctions and bombings happen then they will happen. The Yanks and Krauts will bomb Serbs no matter what Serbs do so we might as well do what we need to do.
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Post by SKORIC on Apr 29, 2008 10:03:43 GMT -5
Yeh krajina Serbs in Serbia should return but i doubt Serbia will ever even want krajina, its too much of a burden on Serbia's economy (one of the reasons why Milosevic sold us out)
Even when krajina existed its government and military was in a chaotic state near the end of the war..
And now there is even less chance of Krajina comming back successfully.
1. There are less Serbs and more Croats living there now.
2. The Serb government has no political will to annex it.
3. Serbs in Serbia wont support it, alot of sumadija Serbs consider us as Croats ffs, my aunty was actually fired by her boss (whos from Serbia) cause she was a Serb from krajina and called her a Croat......
4. Nato is stationed right next door now, and they would step in straight away, especially since Croatia is a nato member now (not that thats anything to be proud of) but Serbs in Serbia dont have any desire to be bombed again especially for krajina..
5. Serbia doesnt border it, and the RS doesnt border it properly, unless you wanna take over Bihac, Drvar area of bosnia we used to have. Which wont happen.
6. Serbia wont be annexing RS anytime soon if not at all.
7. all dogs go to heaven
8. clean your plate
9. ... nine
10. start over again.
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Post by Novus Dis on Apr 29, 2008 10:27:54 GMT -5
If Serbs could fight against the Nazis and Ustasha while fighting amongst themselves and still win then they can survive NATO. And Serbia has a stockpile of weapons and there are tunnel networks throughout Serbia, Bosnia and Montenegro which weren't there during WW2.
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Post by terroreign on Apr 29, 2008 10:30:02 GMT -5
We Montenegrins should take the Croats example and do a "Operation Zemljotres", go to Berane and Andijevica and work our way up. ;D
Notice everyone how vucigorski is even speaking about doing more conquering!
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Post by vucigorski on Apr 29, 2008 10:39:25 GMT -5
^^ Thats what we Serbs are good at. Fighting for our land, and liberating other areas of it.
No slander - Deucaon.
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Post by terroreign on Apr 29, 2008 10:40:16 GMT -5
^^If you're so good at fighting for land, why do you keep losing?
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Post by vucigorski on Apr 29, 2008 10:48:22 GMT -5
Were on a 17 year bad run after being on top for over 150. Gotta go through a bad run some time Siptar................
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Post by SKORIC on Apr 29, 2008 10:49:40 GMT -5
If Serbs could fight against the Nazis and Ustasha while fighting amongst themselves and still win then they can survive NATO. And Serbia has a stockpile of weapons and there are tunnel networks throughout Serbia, Bosnia and Montenegro which weren't there during WW2. Even if you dont count nato in it, there is still the fact that there is no will for the Serbs in Serbia to take Krajina, and the fact that Serb refugees in the west arent willing to go back and leave their better lives here. Krajina will be devestated land after another war and most wont want to return to that.
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Post by vucigorski on Apr 29, 2008 11:04:35 GMT -5
When Serbia and Montenegro declared war on Croatia and Bosna, less then 5% of Serbian male citizens nominated themselves for the army....................compare that to Montenegrins, who had a 95% pro-war stance. Pretty amazing how things turn aroun in 15 years.
Jebise Djukanovic....
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