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Post by MiG on Apr 24, 2009 1:14:30 GMT -5
^ A znaci tako se gube zivci.
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Post by zgembo on Apr 24, 2009 1:17:54 GMT -5
Shone je skroz upravu! Nemoze se nikome zabraniti da ucestvuje na forumu, tako da je najpametnije samo ih ignorisati.
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Post by CiKoLa on Apr 24, 2009 2:07:16 GMT -5
Back to Dragan, well where will they send him to? Yugoslavia, a country that doesn't exist and where he didn't even commit the crimes in? You want them to send him to the Hague? The hague doesnt want him. When he testified at the Milosevic trial they offered him a immunity contract thing protecting him from being put on trial in the future but he refused saying he doesnt have a reason to be protected or have imunity. Someone who knows he's guilty wouldnt do that. The Hague specifically named him (when it brought judgement apon Milian Martic) as one of the participants in the joint criminal enterprise which had the aim of cleansing the occupied Croatian territory of the non serb population and annexing it to a greater serbia. Your Hague argument doesn't fly anymore.
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Post by SKORIC on Apr 24, 2009 2:10:39 GMT -5
And yet they gave him a contract that offered immunity They only named him one after he was of no more use to them. They didnt even pay for his flight home when they couldnt get any evidence against Milosevic from him during his testimony.
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Post by paja on Apr 24, 2009 7:39:51 GMT -5
U pravu je.
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Post by radovic on Apr 24, 2009 12:14:44 GMT -5
Back to Dragan, well where will they send him to? Yugoslavia, a country that doesn't exist and where he didn't even commit the crimes in? You want them to send him to the Hague? The hague doesnt want him. When he testified at the Milosevic trial they offered him a immunity contract thing protecting him from being put on trial in the future but he refused saying he doesnt have a reason to be protected or have imunity. Someone who knows he's guilty wouldnt do that. And Karadfzic signed an immuity deal with the U.S. and he ended up in the Hague. Even if Dragan signed the contract Croatia is in no way obligated to respect it. Samething with the Karadzic deal, he signed with the U.S. and the Hague has no obligation to respect it.
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Trazi Vise
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Post by Trazi Vise on Apr 24, 2009 18:35:51 GMT -5
If you actually read my posts carefully I said that as a whole it was not a civial war. The whole premise of it was not, how it started. Yes there were many facators and many "mini wars" within a war which you could define as civil if you please, but the basis of it was not. Why can't glup Shonic understand and accept that? If someone doesn't agree with you in an opinion and debate, you naturally tell them they are stupid? Far places you will get my boy. Kreten.
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Post by Novus Dis on Apr 24, 2009 19:27:59 GMT -5
It wasn't a civil war, it was a proxy war. Foreigners used Croats (once again) to destroy something great that Serbs built.
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Post by Novus Dis on Apr 24, 2009 19:29:13 GMT -5
And to destroy Serbs in general.
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Post by SKORIC on Apr 24, 2009 20:21:28 GMT -5
The hague doesnt want him. When he testified at the Milosevic trial they offered him a immunity contract thing protecting him from being put on trial in the future but he refused saying he doesnt have a reason to be protected or have imunity. Someone who knows he's guilty wouldnt do that. And Karadfzic signed an immuity deal with the U.S. and he ended up in the Hague. Even if Dragan signed the contract Croatia is in no way obligated to respect it. Samething with the Karadzic deal, he signed with the U.S. and the Hague has no obligation to respect it. That was a secret deal that no one knew about till he got arrested. Dragan was handed it in court on camera years before he got arrested. Not saying Croatia would respect it i was talking about the hague since someone mentioned it.
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Post by Trazi Vise on Apr 25, 2009 2:52:56 GMT -5
You should really become a comedian...imas puno vicevi, I'm serious :-)
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Post by MiG on Apr 28, 2009 12:01:06 GMT -5
It wasn't a civil war, it was a proxy war. Foreigners used Croats (once again) to destroy something great that Serbs built. And to destroy Serbs in general. But of course! How could we have left that ginormous part out... And Karadfzic signed an immuity deal with the U.S. and he ended up in the Hague. Even if Dragan signed the contract Croatia is in no way obligated to respect it. Samething with the Karadzic deal, he signed with the U.S. and the Hague has no obligation to respect it. That was a secret deal that no one knew about till he got arrested. Dragan was handed it in court on camera years before he got arrested. Not saying Croatia would respect it i was talking about the hague since someone mentioned it. Ever since the US got its position on the Globe as the only Superpower (Which is since fading and fast), the west doesn't respect anyone/anything anymore. That is a big mistake.
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Post by radovic on Apr 28, 2009 16:23:16 GMT -5
Ever since the US got its position on the Globe as the only Superpower (Which is since fading and fast), the west doesn't respect anyone/anything anymore. That is a big mistake. And in 2039 when the BRIC economies are equal in size to the west the west will regrets its policies it had in Asia, Balkans, Latin America and Africa <-- I think the west will especially be fucked in Africa.
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Post by Novus Dis on Apr 28, 2009 19:19:51 GMT -5
How so? Africa and South America will remain as they always have, cesspools of crime and corruption. US/EU policies in Asia are akin to pandering and the Balkans will remain segregated.
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Post by Trazi Vise on Apr 28, 2009 19:25:31 GMT -5
That's true no one trusts the west in general and what radovic said above is 100% true. This is what I am waiting for. I can't wait for the shoe to be on the other foot this time. Then they will realise what a huge mistake they made in developing regions. Can't wait for the next 20-30 years when both Indian and Chinese economy takes over and the U.S will be saying "yes" to the east and will listen to every word spoken to them this time. Lovely!
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Post by radovic on Apr 28, 2009 20:10:20 GMT -5
How so? Africa and South America will remain as they always have, cesspools of crime and corruption. US/EU policies in Asia are akin to pandering and the Balkans will remain segregated. America will suffer for it's polcies towards south American and will face Mexican seperatists. This will be actually a very big threat to the states, because while not a BRIC country Mexico will likely reach a population of 150 million and it will be a N-11 country (Next Eleven) <-- basically what former Western European powers are to the U.S. now. But specifically this will occur as Hispanics have higher birthrates and with in 10 years the average age of a U.S. factory workers will be 60 years and to keep it's manufacturing sector the U.S. will need to accept Mexicans regardless of redneck republican complaints. The fact is Brazil will be a continental rival and as some, such as Stratof analysts claim, this will be even more a problem to the U.S. as it possess more oil off shore then Saudi Arabia. Think who will LAtin Americans side with. American anglo-saxons who have meddled greatly in their economies for the worst or Brazilians. In Africa, all the resources the west used to screw over Africa will be in the hands of Chinese and Indians, possibly Brazilians (who are buying up resources in Portuguese speaking countries, and sell it to LAtin Americans), and Russians (Russian mining firms have an interest in owning those assets in Africa and having control of the sale of resources to Africa). The Africans will be glad to sell to non-westerners. The west has nothing but a legacy of decades neglected developments. Also Africans will link the BRICS with wealth. With in their lifetimes these countries will have gone from 3rd world to economic superpower and in B and Rs case they will be high-income countries. Also. Because China is so depdneant on global trade and is such a large portion of global trade one can expect global trade and production to move to India as their is a 13-year gap between the two and for the next two decades the Chinese will focus on developing internal consumption. Right after China, india will develop for some 7 years and then it's share of global trade and manufactuing will move to africa (which is closer to rich states then China or India). Add to that Asia will benefit from China and India because as the two make more higher up goods their lower level manufacturing will go to South East Asia. When it comes to the Balkans. All will be in Orthodox Europe and essentially pro-Russia, Croatia will be in Central Europe. Populations shall stabilize here. Western Europe will be reach states iwth massive amounts of African and Muslim immigrants with problematic welfare states. Central Europe will be less problematic and will not need massive amounts of new immigrants and their populations will stabilize. They will be more likely to stand-up to western European diktats then they are now. Central Europe and Western Europe will to a large extent be at the mercy of Russia. Which as the world moves to natural gas will be the supplier for 60%+ of what is now the EU\s natural gas when Nord Stream and South Stream go online. America will be a former superpower. It's loss of superpower will occur the same way it happenned to France and UK (after WWII nearly all their debt was held by the U.S. state and when they launched the Suez crisis the U.S. threatened to use this debt to destroy their economy if they did not stop <-- Watch I.O.U.S.A.). The world is changing at it's core.
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Post by MiG on May 5, 2009 12:26:53 GMT -5
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Post by soko on May 5, 2009 14:01:21 GMT -5
After I saw this I would guess that it is almost certain that some of the allegations against him are true. Most of the Balkan war "hero's/criminals" were criminals before the war and after it.
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Post by vinjak on May 5, 2009 17:56:34 GMT -5
Mr Snedden said he never authorised or condoned torture of prisoners of war. He said he arrested 15 Serb territorial defence members not under his command who were suspected of massacring civilians in the Croatian town of Struga in 1991.
This is correct,and this is why Milosevic had him removed from Croatia as Dragan and Seselj were about to go to war with each other.Not only Seselj but other Paramilitary commanders were wanting Dragan silenced.
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Post by SKORIC on May 6, 2009 5:24:29 GMT -5
After I saw this I would guess that it is almost certain that some of the allegations against him are true. Most of the Balkan war "hero's/criminals" were criminals before the war and after it. He fell inlove with an escort agency owner and joined in with her business. Has nothing to do with the war and he is not on trial for that anymore.
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