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Post by albquietman on Jan 8, 2008 14:56:46 GMT -5
Let's examine shall we. Firstly I stated """Also Albanian was never an indo-european language""" and not what is spoken today. Changes everything doesn't it when re-worded Geg is used in the north and tosk is used in the south of Albania. The difference between them is enourmous. Two persons, one from far north and one from far south will hardly understand each other. The tosk language is more similar to the literary language and thus it is easier to be understood by most of the Albanian speaking persons. BUT the difference between them is enormous = different dialects. You must have a good knowledge of the albanian language or you are just another version of Kartadolofonos. That's what amazes me always with some of you greeks here...I keep repeating it...you have no clue about the albanian language, but you can still tell us albanians the differences between the dialects in albanian and even if we understand each other...it doesn't take much to do this, just being brainless greek will do it. FYI we can understand each other, including arvanites, who happened to be 100% greek, but strange enough speak albanian... As for the place names, since you quote Ardian Vehbiu, which is the favorite albanian "historian" of Highduke, first of all he is not a historian, because to make such claims like he does, tells us that he has no clue about the history. We know that our name places are of different origin, including albanian of course, and we know that some of them have no explanation in any other language either, but that's not only albanin case, because even you greeks that claim that you've been there since the earth was created, can't explain o lot of your name places, starting from Athena, Arta, Preveza, Crete...the list goes on...so quoting pseudo historians like Ardian Vehbiu makes your case worse than it is...
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Post by rex362 on Jan 8, 2008 14:59:33 GMT -5
"Ajax seems as a frustated individual who takes out his insecurity on other people"oh oh ...I'm worried now...didn't the real Ajax in mythology commit suicide for the same reasons ..?? oh oh its a Paralleled Equanaxed Quantized Universal Mirror Image of the past with its thrust reverser's in full throttle ...the Gates of mythology have been left open ....and only Canaris has the key to close the gate Run Ajax RUN ...RUN AJAX (just like in forest Gump ...run forest run)
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Post by Kanaris on Jan 8, 2008 15:38:54 GMT -5
Who the F..gave you a new title?
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Post by jerryspringer on Jan 8, 2008 16:07:29 GMT -5
Haha, well done, Badmin!
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Post by rex362 on Jan 8, 2008 16:17:14 GMT -5
Who the F..gave you a new title? The great Pelasgian God Zues .....who else...
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Post by Kanaris on Jan 8, 2008 17:45:30 GMT -5
Who the F..gave you a new title? The great Pelasgian God Zues .....who else... Bow before him, my peasant. ;D
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Post by rex362 on Jan 8, 2008 18:08:02 GMT -5
The great Pelasgian God Zues .....who else... Bow before him, my peasant. ;D uuuhhmm ? Pelasgians do not bow ..we correspond with the right hand over our heart and a slight lower tilt of of head like a nod or if female a slight closure of eyes...2 seconds longer than a blink .... the only people that we bow before would be ones own mother & grandmothers in respect of the pains in birthing and rearing us. *we are not Klingon,Borg or Ferengi...We are the Enterprise of the Federation .... "Beam me up, Scotty!"
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Post by Kanaris on Jan 8, 2008 18:36:04 GMT -5
Anittas said:
It doesn't prove anything because we don't have any prove of the Albanian language of those times... so if the Albanians decided to adopt a few words around or after 1200 ad.... what does that tell you?
The English language contains more than 10 thousand Greek words in it..... what are we going to say 1000 years from now..that the English had contact with the ancients Greeks? Get real any words in the Albanian language that even remotely compare to the Greek were adopted during the colonization by Greeks of that area.. and other contacts they had with Greeks... while the Greek language went through some changes,Albanians kept on using some old words we don't use anymore.... and they wave them in our face ....
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Post by Arxileas on Jan 8, 2008 19:14:49 GMT -5
You must have a good knowledge of the albanian language or you are just another version of Kartadolofonos. It's cause I have culture in my up bringing, did you know Australia is home to over 200 plus ethnic identities. Currently in my street there are 55 different ethnic identities alone and me not being a xenophobic like most have conversed face to face Amazing and it's called Arvanetika. I see so in other words only what fancies you on a particular day ? We can indeed trace our place names interestingly enough, one example of many to start off with is the Hellenic city of "Apollonia"
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Post by Arxileas on Jan 8, 2008 19:20:14 GMT -5
"Ajax seems as a frustated individual who takes out his insecurity on other people" XA XA XA ! Funny Hi hi hi. Hey it's not like I have something on my avotor trying to prove something. It's God that makes Men what they are. Why run ? Rather face it head on then get shot at the back side whilst running.
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Post by Niklianos on Jan 8, 2008 19:26:18 GMT -5
Let's examine shall we. Firstly I stated """Also Albanian was never an indo-european language""" and not what is spoken today. Changes everything doesn't it when re-worded Geg is used in the north and tosk is used in the south of Albania. The difference between them is enourmous. Two persons, one from far north and one from far south will hardly understand each other. The tosk language is more similar to the literary language and thus it is easier to be understood by most of the Albanian speaking persons. BUT the difference between them is enormous = different dialects. You must have a good knowledge of the albanian language or you are just another version of Kartadolofonos. That's what amazes me always with some of you greeks here...I keep repeating it...you have no clue about the albanian language, but you can still tell us albanians the differences between the dialects in albanian and even if we understand each other...it doesn't take much to do this, just being brainless greek will do it. FYI we can understand each other, including arvanites, who happened to be 100% greek, but strange enough speak albanian... As for the place names, since you quote Ardian Vehbiu, which is the favorite albanian "historian" of Highduke, first of all he is not a historian, because to make such claims like he does, tells us that he has no clue about the history. We know that our name places are of different origin, including albanian of course, and we know that some of them have no explanation in any other language either, but that's not only albanin case, because even you greeks that claim that you've been there since the earth was created, can't explain o lot of your name places, starting from Athena, Arta, Preveza, Crete...the list goes on...so quoting pseudo historians like Ardian Vehbiu makes your case worse than it is... Does this sound familiar to anyone?? How does it feel to have your ancestry questioned? You attack us Greeks continuously but the moment someone contest your origins you get defensive! If you don't like the way it feels then don't do it to us! Enjoy the debate because there is more to come.
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Post by Arxileas on Jan 8, 2008 19:27:24 GMT -5
How does it feel ?
Problem they have no proof....
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Post by Arxileas on Jan 8, 2008 19:38:48 GMT -5
Ajax seems as a frustated individual who takes out his insecurity on other people. Ajex, get real man. You know crap about linguistic research. You read a couple of articles and think you know it all. I guess no one told you that linguists can research into the matter by comparing words with words from other languages. In this case, they have some dozen words that only Romanian and Albanian share in common, which is enough proof that the population was in contact during the ancient ages. If you want to look for a population that came from Asia during the Bronze Age, you need to look no further. Just go and look in the mirror. Ok I see where the screaming came from, I apologies to rex. Hush, hush relax no need to be rude And enjoy the educational experience so let your hair down.
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Post by Arxileas on Jan 8, 2008 21:43:13 GMT -5
This is not a proof either...I would say is even worse! Having no proof proves nothing!!! Or prooves all (I could also say: since there is no Illyrian language to compare with Albanian, then is YOU who cannot say there is no conncection with certainty! But if there is no proof then there is no proof simple...There is no proof of any connection, if there is no proof. Example courts need something called evidence without it there is no case, such as the Albs there is no case when there is no evidence. So it is safe enough to say it is even worse for you when you admit there is no proof. Time to wake up from the past communist propagandas.
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Post by Teuta1975 on Jan 8, 2008 21:56:37 GMT -5
If there is no proof then there is no anti-proof! More simple... Seriously, the lonely prooves are the ones quoted by Polybius (Book 2 - when spoken about Illyrians and their wars) and how they lost the war with Romans (Teuta's fault, I addmit (and Corcyrs who "allied" with Romans as to escape from her robberies and- from the moment a war was run by a woman who used to be an expert in piratery art obviously was destined to be defeated!!) Either way, the toponims are there and almost the same are today; so, in Illyrians destroyed by Romans and later on by whatever "storm" arrived in Balkans, (including Ottomans) you expect Illyrians to have left scripts in Albanian?!
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Post by albanesehoney on Jan 8, 2008 22:53:21 GMT -5
Nice pic albhoney... TY ALBQ Here 2 Funny how Greeks claim they know all about Chams, Arvanites, Tosks and Ghegs but they still can't explain the meanings of their famous city names or nation.
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Post by kartadolofonos on Jan 8, 2008 23:32:53 GMT -5
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Post by albquietman on Jan 9, 2008 0:12:15 GMT -5
But if there is no proof then there is no proof simple...There is no proof of any connection, if there is no proof. Example courts need something called evidence without it there is no case, such as the Albs there is no case when there is no evidence. So it is safe enough to say it is even worse for you when you admit there is no proof. Time to wake up from the past communist propagandas. There is no case about what? If I'm not wrong we were talking about the albanian language that you claim you speak it so well that you can tell us if we understand each-other...by the way I'm still waiting to explain me what does it man in greek the name of your capital city, Athens(Athina). An advice, mentioning the communist regime and its propaganda when we talk about languages and history, shows us that you're running out of arguments, which I don't think you had any by the way. FYI, most of the people here live abroad and are raised abroad, so they know nothing about communist propaganda. I'm not one of them, I was raised in Albania during that regime, but no matter what do you think, in our school back then the nationalistic propaganda wasn't even 1% of the nationalistic propaganda in greek schools. We weren't even aware how much crap they taught you about us, our language and culture. I was shocked in the beginning to read here in these forum what you guys know about us, because it was all garbage, but I thought it was just you guys here. Later I figured it out that must be something that all these guys think the same...and it was your school, your history books which claim half of our country as greek, which claim our national hero is greek, which...well, too much crap to mention, and I don't want to get disgusted before going to bed... Albhoney, thanks for the songs, it was really nice of you...we need to listen to such songs in this forum after being disgusted by reading the greek "historians" posts...
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Post by Arxileas on Jan 9, 2008 0:22:04 GMT -5
But if there is no proof then there is no proof simple...There is no proof of any connection, if there is no proof. Example courts need something called evidence without it there is no case, such as the Albs there is no case when there is no evidence. So it is safe enough to say it is even worse for you when you admit there is no proof. Time to wake up from the past communist propagandas. There is no case about what? If I'm not wrong we were talking about the albanian language that you claim you speak it so well that you can tell us if we understand each-other...by the way I'm still waiting to explain me what does it man in greek the name of your capital city, Athens(Athina). An advice, mentioning the communist regime and its propaganda when we talk about languages and history, shows us that you're running out of arguments, which I don't think you had any by the way. FYI, most of the people here live abroad and are raised abroad, so they know nothing about communist propaganda. I'm not one of them, I was raised in Albania during that regime, but no matter what do you think, in our school back then the nationalistic propaganda wasn't even 1% of the nationalistic propaganda in greek schools. We weren't even aware how much crap they taught you about us, our language and culture. I was shocked in the beginning to read here in these forum what you guys know about us, because it was all garbage, but I thought it was just you guys here. Later I figured it out that must be something that all these guys think the same...and it was your school, your history books which claim half of our country as greek, which claim our national hero is greek, which...well, too much crap to mention, and I don't want to get disgusted before going to bed... Albhoney, thanks for the songs, it was really nice of you...we need to listen to such songs in this forum after being disgusted by reading the greek "historians" posts... There is just no proof....albquietman I can say anything as long as it's in a civil manner. Now what we've shown is actual proof what you guy's show us is nothing. Yeah thanks Albhonney for your entertainment.
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Post by Arxileas on Jan 9, 2008 0:27:32 GMT -5
albquietman There is just no proof that Albs are connected in any way to the Illyrians...I mean another member claimed that Jesus him self was Albanian NOW what's your opinion on that ? curious...
Ela you have to look good the women are watching. Don't let them down buddy.
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