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Post by panagiotopoulos on Jun 11, 2008 17:56:29 GMT -5
Greek1234,
You operate without a motherboard? That is a true Greek miracle!!!
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Post by raynon on Jun 11, 2008 21:57:29 GMT -5
Did you guys know that Dyrachium was a Greek colony since antiquity? Also did you guys know during the Middle Ages it had a large Greek population? This is rightfully Hellenic land. If so, what does Dyrrachium mean in your current mongrel language? Hell, can you translate Apo-llonia, Epirus, Greek, Phyrrus, Akila/Achilles, Afrodite, Dhemeter, Zeus, Apo-llo, and a bunch more ancient names/words? Remember, your people are not the same ancient peoples...of those ancient citystates. Your language went through a whole lotta mixing and watering down of its authentic ancient order, especially after the influx of Arab/Jewish influenced after the mixing occuring soon after Alexander stepped on their soil and the Greek acceptance of middle eastern-Jewish/Arab religions. It may rightfully be Hellenic land...but then, Greece today is not the same Hellenic land or people of the pre Christian/Roman/Alexander period.
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Post by greek1234 on Jun 12, 2008 7:07:05 GMT -5
Did you guys know that Dyrachium was a Greek colony since antiquity? Also did you guys know during the Middle Ages it had a large Greek population? This is rightfully Hellenic land. If so, what does Dyrrachium mean in your current mongrel language? Hell, can you translate Apo-llonia, Epirus, Greek, Phyrrus, Akila/Achilles, Afrodite, Dhemeter, Zeus, Apo-llo, and a bunch more ancient names/words? Remember, your people are not the same ancient peoples...of those ancient citystates. Your language went through a whole lotta mixing and watering down of its authentic ancient order, especially after the influx of Arab/Jewish influenced after the mixing occuring soon after Alexander stepped on their soil and the Greek acceptance of middle eastern-Jewish/Arab religions. It may rightfully be Hellenic land...but then, Greece today is not the same Hellenic land or people of the pre Christian/Roman/Alexander period. You clearly know nothing about the Greek language. The Greek language is well documented, it has been spoken for over four thousand years. The modern Greeks are the same as there ancient forebears, all nations on earth have mixed there is nothing new about this.
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Post by albaniansoul on Jun 12, 2008 7:23:13 GMT -5
Greek1234 has no brain... Amen to that. Epirus is, has always been and will always be Albanian.
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Post by panagiotopoulos on Jun 12, 2008 9:35:46 GMT -5
Did you guys know that Dyrachium was a Greek colony since antiquity? Also did you guys know during the Middle Ages it had a large Greek population? This is rightfully Hellenic land. If so, what does Dyrrachium mean in your current mongrel language? Hell, can you translate Apo-llonia, Epirus, Greek, Phyrrus, Akila/Achilles, Afrodite, Dhemeter, Zeus, Apo-llo, and a bunch more ancient names/words? Remember, your people are not the same ancient peoples...of those ancient citystates. Your language went through a whole lotta mixing and watering down of its authentic ancient order, especially after the influx of Arab/Jewish influenced after the mixing occuring soon after Alexander stepped on their soil and the Greek acceptance of middle eastern-Jewish/Arab religions. It may rightfully be Hellenic land...but then, Greece today is not the same Hellenic land or people of the pre Christian/Roman/Alexander period. And Albanians are the same? And Albania is the same? How about Italy??? How about the Middle East??? Dude, no shit, whats your point? You guys are frustrating. You cant even prove your Illyrian connection. Why is anyone even arguing with you?
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Post by raynon on Jun 12, 2008 20:27:02 GMT -5
And Albanians are the same? And Albania is the same? How about Italy??? How about the Middle East??? Dude, no s**t, whats your point? You guys are frustrating. You cant even prove your Illyrian connection. Why is anyone even arguing with you? Because everyone now knows that Greeks today have much in common with Arabs/Jews/Semites & Africans and a few scientists proved many of you descend from them--not the original Trojans/Agamemnon/Achilles, Spartans or even that later blind guy called "Homer". You clearly know nothing about the Greek language. The Greek language is well documented, it has been spoken for over four thousand years. The modern Greeks are the same as there ancient forebears, all nations on earth have mixed there is nothing new about this. It's pretty clear you know nothing about the ancient language spoken in the balkans, otherwise you'd at minimum give us the definition of Epirus or Dyrrachium or Dhemeter or Apollo/nia. You didn't because you don't even know the definition of Greek in your mongrel language.
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Post by Teuta1975 on Jun 12, 2008 21:11:33 GMT -5
The point of this thread is to find out whether the term should exist today or not; and that is because Greek government (and most of Greeks) abuse the term by using it for Geo-Political issues, such as its use on maps and other political reasons!
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Post by tsompanos on Jun 12, 2008 21:17:49 GMT -5
And Albanians are the same? And Albania is the same? How about Italy??? How about the Middle East??? Dude, no s**t, whats your point? You guys are frustrating. You cant even prove your Illyrian connection. Why is anyone even arguing with you? Because everyone now knows that Greeks today have much in common with Arabs/Jews/Semites & Africans and a few scientists proved many of you descend from them--not the original Trojans/Agamemnon/Achilles, Spartans or even that later blind guy called "Homer". You clearly know nothing about the Greek language. The Greek language is well documented, it has been spoken for over four thousand years. The modern Greeks are the same as there ancient forebears, all nations on earth have mixed there is nothing new about this. It's pretty clear you know nothing about the ancient language spoken in the balkans, otherwise you'd at minimum give us the definition of Epirus or Dyrrachium or Dhemeter or Apollo/nia. You didn't because you don't even know the definition of Greek in your mongrel language. ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Post by panagiotopoulos on Jun 12, 2008 21:19:18 GMT -5
The point of this thread is to find out whether the term should exist today or not; and that is because Greek government (and most of Greeks) abuse the term by using it for Geo-Political issues, such as its use in the maps and other political reasons! The Term Epirus is much older than Shiptaria. Did you happen to notice the archeology findings and ancient manuscripts that attest to that? Or did you fail to notice those?
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Post by Teuta1975 on Jun 12, 2008 21:30:25 GMT -5
You're right. The term is older, but it is not a territorial toponym. It is simply "Continent", the same as Balkans in Turkish, which means "Montanous" or something. The point here is whether or not should an archaism that names a continent be used for a small piece of land, in such is in a contradiction with itself, because according to its meaning, all Greece and Serbia, and Balkan should be called "Epir"!!!
Further more, should we call Sparta the area where Spartans used to live? How do you call it now? Today, geographically and politically the area within the Albanian border is called South Albania. And the term Vorio-Epir doesnt make sense for the following reasons:
1. It is contradicting as "Noth Continent" because it should be the toponym for the North Europe
2. We're living in 2008 and not in BC.
3. The area has a border and it separates North Greece (Not North Epirus) from South Albania (again not North Epirus)
4. referring to the term as a continent, it makes no sense that the South Continent (Europe) to be called North Continent (Vorio-Epir)...and the last, what would be the South Epir???
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Post by Arxileas on Jun 12, 2008 21:32:02 GMT -5
^ There are treaties which are still valid and signed by your former Goverments. And is named as Northern Epirus.
Time for Autonomy as per treaty agreements.
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Post by Teuta1975 on Jun 12, 2008 21:48:33 GMT -5
Now I understand why those treates are not valid anymore and cannot be applied! Because are written long time ago, from other people, and we cannot apply treats that are not in power with their proper names to begin with...It is the same as if Greece made a treat with Albania during the second World War for the Autonomy of ::)Sparta ...which actually does not even appear as a Geographical territory today
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Post by panagiotopoulos on Jun 12, 2008 21:54:55 GMT -5
Now I understand why those treates are not valid anymore and cannot be applied! Because are written long time ago, from other people, and we cannot apply treats that are not in power with their proper names to begin with...It is the same as if Greece made a treat with Albania during the second World War for the Autonomy of ::)Sparta ...which actually does not even appear as a Geographical territory today Yes Greece and the Epirots got royally screwed. I am glad you are recognizing that. Just think how much better all life in Ipiros would be if it in its totality remained in tact with Greece.
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Post by Arxileas on Jun 12, 2008 21:59:28 GMT -5
Now I understand why those treates are not valid anymore and cannot be applied! Because are written long time ago, from other people, and we cannot apply treats that are not in power with their proper names to begin with... This is the very same argument the Fyromians use as an argument, people understand that treaties are not self expiring. Are you trying to derail by "using as if examples" here because you know very well these treaties are still active. Edited .
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Post by Teuta1975 on Jun 12, 2008 22:07:17 GMT -5
Arxileas, I wrote: is the same as if Greece made a treaty....
further more, where is Ipiros on the Map? I don't see it! How can I respect a treaty today for something.....that does not exist? You mean: a treaty for the Continent? Referring to the meaning of it!
PS: shall we make a treaty for Atlantis? Or for Troy?
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Post by panagiotopoulos on Jun 12, 2008 22:09:09 GMT -5
Arxileas, I wrote: is the same as if Greece made a treaty.... further more, where is Ipiros on the Map? I don't see it! How can I respect a treaty today for something.....that does not exist? You mean: a treaty for the Continent? Referring to the meaning of it! PS: shall we make a treaty for Atlantis? Or for Troy? You use a lot of hypothetical situations that are far from reality. Ipiros is reality. I have family who says that they are from IPIROS. This place exists in the memories of the ancient descendants of Ipiros.
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Post by Arxileas on Jun 12, 2008 22:12:00 GMT -5
further more, where is Ipiros on the Map? I don't see it! How can I respect a treaty today for something.....that does not exist? You mean: a treaty for the Continent? Referring to the meaning of it! There are maps in libraries. It does exist It does exist It does exist It does exist It does exist It does exist
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Post by albquietman on Jun 12, 2008 22:14:34 GMT -5
Treaties are not self expiring, they just expire or are not valid to begin with if they are made without asking all the sides.
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Post by Arxileas on Jun 12, 2008 22:15:58 GMT -5
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Post by Arxileas on Jun 12, 2008 22:18:41 GMT -5
Treaties are not self expiring, they just expire or are not valid to begin with if they are made without asking all the sides. They were signed by both sides. Either wise it would not be known as a treaty. Treaties can only come about when two sides agree. Respect the International Law ! .
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