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Post by Teuta1975 on Jun 12, 2008 22:20:15 GMT -5
Well said AlbQ; thank you for the support. : Arxileas wrote: ...ok...ok...but also Troy and Atlantis exist in the memories of people too.... But Greeks like to say: I am from the Continent
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Post by Teuta1975 on Jun 12, 2008 22:23:06 GMT -5
Arxileas,
1913 and 2008...lots of time...almost a century ago...Mussolini and Hitler are not in power any longer...neither are their "Empires" ...
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Post by albquietman on Jun 12, 2008 22:26:06 GMT -5
What sides you're talking about? Greek and greek doesn't make two sides...
By the way, your map is of a greek source, and according to the rules of this forum and common sense is not to be taken seriously by us, sorry...
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Post by Arxileas on Jun 12, 2008 22:27:53 GMT -5
Arxileas,
1913 and 2008...lots of time...almost a century ago...Mussolini and Hitler are not in power any longer...neither are their "Empires" ... But for the Chams who got a paper cut Seems to be only recently right ? Atlantis ? Well we'll have to find it first ;D Treaties are still valid...
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Post by Arxileas on Jun 12, 2008 22:31:12 GMT -5
Your Goverment and Greek Goverments signed. Ah ok whatever suits the agenda of the day It's well documented through out litrature Lad. Your opinion over facts don't count.
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Post by Teuta1975 on Jun 12, 2008 22:35:09 GMT -5
Chams - 1945.
Treates? Between Greece and Albania? Albania didn't even exist (as a state ) by that time! Who did Greeks sign the treaty with?
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Post by albquietman on Jun 12, 2008 22:35:17 GMT -5
I'm not aware of any serious government in 1913 in Albania. As far as I know albanians at that time were fighting to defend their land, not to give it away...
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Post by Arxileas on Jun 12, 2008 22:47:37 GMT -5
In 1915 the Treaty of London (26 April) not only accepted autonomy for Northern Epirus but also stipulated the transfer of this region to Greece. Although this agreement was a result of war-time conditions and the intend of the treaty was not fulfilled, it did afford recognition to the Greek claim to Northern Epirus and at the very least international acknowledgement of an historic Greek presence and identification with this region. After the First World War the Council of the League of Nations and in 1945 the Security Council of the United Nations have reiterated the guarantees afforded to the Greek minority by the Protocol of Corfu.
The communist regime of Enver Hodjia ignored all these agreements and conventions and proceeded to make every effort to extinguish the Greek identity and language of the Hellenic minority. Religious freedom, customs and tradition that had been practiced for centuries were not only prohibited but those caught speaking Greek or even conducting a Christian funeral faced harsh prison sentences and physical torture.
Enver Hodjia was also known to be cruel to the Albanians, to deny this is to deny your own rights too...
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Post by Arxileas on Jun 12, 2008 22:51:30 GMT -5
: ...ok...ok...but also Troy and Atlantis exist in the memories of people too.... But Greeks like to say: I am from the Continent Atlantis doesn't exist in my view, Greek Mythology Yes.
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Post by Teuta1975 on Jun 12, 2008 22:51:45 GMT -5
You are not that persuasive Arxileas, unless you show me who were the parts in the treaty. Can you? I have showed it to you documents that support my claims (if you dig in this forum, you'll find it). Show me yours.
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Post by Teuta1975 on Jun 12, 2008 22:54:14 GMT -5
Mythology is the memoirs of the people. But Ipiros is a Continent...in which map?
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Post by Arxileas on Jun 12, 2008 22:56:43 GMT -5
^ Walk into a library, I am sure the American ones are more resourceful It's called self help and great for that trimmed waist line = Exercise.
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Post by Arxileas on Jun 12, 2008 22:58:36 GMT -5
Mythology is the memoirs of the people. But Ipiros is a Continent...in which map? A continent ? haha omg
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Post by Teuta1975 on Jun 12, 2008 23:04:07 GMT -5
Should I take it as if you can't provide any document to support your claims?
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Post by Teuta1975 on Jun 12, 2008 23:05:08 GMT -5
Okk, it is not a Continent. Is it a river?
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Post by Arxileas on Jun 12, 2008 23:09:26 GMT -5
Should I take it as if you can't provide any document to support your claims? If you Admit that Epiros is Greek...
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Post by albquietman on Jun 12, 2008 23:17:12 GMT -5
Arxileas, you know it very well (if you speak greek of course), that Ipros in Greek means continent, and the fishermen of Corfu called the land this way, because first they were fishermen, second they were islanders and third they were ignorants. Now you coming to us and telling that the continent (ipiros) is ours. That's the way you call that part of our country, but if we go by the meaning of the word, you should claim the whole Europian continent, not just South Albania. Anyway, lets suppose that you have the right to take that land, since the word id greek, no matter the meaning of it. But I just wonder, Why don't you go for Mesapotamia too....yes the one in Irak...you might be lucky there and get some oil...the gas price went up again, so go for it
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Post by Arxileas on Jun 12, 2008 23:31:27 GMT -5
Arxileas, you know it very well (if you speak greek of course), that Ipros in Greek means continent, and the fishermen of Corfu called the land this way, because first they were fishermen, second they were islanders and third they were ignorants. Now you coming to us and telling that the continent (ipiros) is ours.
Same as Kosovo. If they say and want to be free then respect their wishes. This isn't Greek policy just stating that their right should be respected as natives to their land. The things I have heard from Epirotes here in Australia is sad Yes I know the meaning just messing with yas, you know that. Got to go it's Luma complexity issue time He brings a bad name to Albanians...
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Post by albquietman on Jun 12, 2008 23:34:52 GMT -5
Don't believe them, they are a bunch of babies looking for free candies...they got used to it in Albania.
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Post by Arxileas on Jun 12, 2008 23:53:27 GMT -5
Don't believe them, they are a bunch of babies looking for free candies...they got used to it in Albania.
But I do, I have seen the physical scars on them also pictures shown of mistreatments of houses being destroyed and that their culture today is being passed on as Albanian and they told me horrid stories of the SS Nazi units. Some are old enough to remember. From what I have seen here, Claims by Albanians on Soulis to Epirote and others I'd have to say they'll be telling the truth. .
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